Please Sign This Petition, Racism/Sexism Isn't Okay If Its Against Straight White Men

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IamLEAM1983

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BrokenTinker said:
How I'd love to bring some of these SJWs to do some farm and construction works for the poor and see them without their technology and comfort for a month.
Oh, this would be glorious.

"Welcome to Camp Such-and-Such. We're going to spend the next month building and furnishing a school for the locals!
- Do you have WiFi? Where's the nearest Starbucks?
- We don't have WiFi, we have a crappy satellite phone that works only four hours each day. We don't have Starbucks, so welcome to the wonderful world of drinking from the local water well! Your kidneys will actually thank you!"

*insert panicked diatribes about being oppressed or denied basic rights, even though it totally does not work in the context*
 

bartholen_v1legacy

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Unfortunately, due to listening lots of stuff like Sargon of Akkad and TL;DR at work, I've become more aware of how horrifyingly widely these people seem to inhabit academia and universities in particular. Now I'm thinking of applying to Uni myself just to see if that kind of thing exists in my country (yet). This is the end product of social media feminism: self-righteous, victim complex -ridden, narrow-minded, egotistical zealots who cannot be reasoned with in any way shape or form. These are the people who drink from mugs labeled "MALE TEARS", advocate causes like "Rape claims should always be assumed to be automatically true", complain about how the patriarchy forces men to suppress their feelings while screaming "CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE!" at them and shit like that. It feels like any day now we will witness the first on-campus acid attack on a white male by a feminist, while her hysterical supporters cheer her on and shout slurs like "Take that you patriarchal rapist shitlord!" at the guy writhing in agony on the ground.

You know what, perhaps mankind's and this planet's salvation might lie in these people. Maybe the crazy will spread around the world, to all minorities and ethnicities as well, and then all of male humankind, not just white privileged cisgendered rapist oppressor shitlords, will become the enemy. And because of the convenient echo chamber of Tumblr, no woman will relent from the ideology, but the idea that it's all men's fault will stay with them for all their days. I'd like to hope that then the shitstorm will reach critical mass, and all men around the world collectively go "Fuck it, it's not worth it anymore!" and retreat to playing videogames, drinking beer and fishing, and mankind will be reduced to about 5% of its current size.

As a side note, a week ago I started to think what could have been done for the actual feminist cause in poorer countries with the $160,000 grand Anita Sarkeesian received for doing nothing, and the idea made me sick to my stomach.

Edit: Wait what? This thread was about a petition? I'm quite comfortable in my seat, thank you. I'm not going to jump into the gladiator arena to fight windmills. That's walking windmills. With lawnmower blades instead or wings. And they shoot acid at you.
 

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bartholen said:
Unfortunatelzwy, due to listening lots of stuff like Sargon of Akkad and TL;DR at work, I've become more aware of how horrifyingly widely these people seem to inhabit academia and universities in particular. Now I'm thinking of applying to Uni myself just to see if that kind of thing exists in my country (yet). This is the end product of social media feminism: self-righteous, victim complex -ridden, narrow-minded, egotistical zealots who cannot be reasoned with in any way shape or form. These are the people who drink from mugs labeled "MALE TEARS", advocate causes like "Rape claims should always be assumed to be automatically true", complain about how the patriarchy forces men to suppress their feelings while screaming "CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE!" at them and shit like that. It feels like any day now we will witness the first on-campus acid attack on a white male by a feminist, while her hysterical supporters cheer her on and shout slurs like "Take that you patriarchal rapist shitlord!" at the guy writhing in agony on the ground.

You know what, perhaps mankind's and this planet's salvation might lie in these people. Maybe the crazy will spread around the world, to all minorities and ethnicities as well, and then all of male humankind, not just white privileged cisgendered rapist oppressor shitlords, will become the enemy. And because of the convenient echo chamber of Tumblr, no woman will relent from the ideology, but the idea that it's all men's fault will stay with them for all their days. I'd like to hope that then the shitstorm will reach critical mass, and all men around the world collectively go "Fuck it, it's not worth it anymore!" and retreat to playing videogames, drinking beer and fishing, and mankind will be reduced to about 5% of its current size.

As a side note, a week ago I started to think what could have been done for the actual feminist cause in poorer countries with the $160,000 grand Anita Sarkeesian received for doing nothing, and the idea made me sick to my stomach.

Edit: Wait what? This thread was about a petition? I'm quite comfortable in my seat, thank you. I'm not going to jump into the gladiator arena to fight windmills. That's walking windmills. With lawnmower blades instead or wings. And they shoot acid at you.
Don't forget the windmills eat babies.
 

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RaikuFA said:
https://www.change.org/p/goldsmiths-college-and-beyond-open-letter-in-solidarity-with-bahar-mustafa-welfare-and-diversity-officer-goldsmiths

Her side of the story. My head started hurting after the first paragraph.
I'm not going to get involved, but for all the huffing that article does about misrepresentations, it doesn't approach the antagonistic picture of her that's the source of her problems.
 

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PainInTheAssInternet said:
RaikuFA said:
https://www.change.org/p/goldsmiths-college-and-beyond-open-letter-in-solidarity-with-bahar-mustafa-welfare-and-diversity-officer-goldsmiths

Her side of the story. My head started hurting after the first paragraph.
I'm not going to get involved, but for all the huffing that article does about misrepresentations, it doesn't approach the antagonistic picture of her that's the source of her problems.
I think thats the point. That change.org rebuttal is saying "I'm not the bad guy, my detractors are.
 

sumanoskae

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Two arguments I have against her, the first entitled "Power from everywhere", the second "You're still a douche".

Power
It is a common mistake to call our culture misogynistic; our culture is chauvinistic. The prejudice we experience, at least here in the U.S, does not simply wish to advocate the suffering of women and minorities out of irrational sadism. The truth is far worse.

See, hatred is simple and straightforward. It's very easy to identify your enemy when they simply intend to destroy you with force of arms. It is much more difficult to orient yourself in the face of a tyrant; one who attempts not to destroy, but assert control.

Our culture most certainly has affection and respect for women and minorities, as long as they behave in the way it wants them to behave. Not only are they punished for disobeying it, they are rewarded for reinforcing it.

And in a power relationship this unfair, a structure of lies that equals it's unfairness in complexity must support it. Because these rules are so complex, unintended results are common place.

I would say, with only mild tentativeness, that the structure still favors white men, even today. Nonetheless, there are many sources of power that women and minorities can access due to their lower standing in the structure that those who occupy the top cannot, even if the power they gain is comparatively small.

In violent domestic situations, women are assumed to be the victim, and thus people are more prepared to help them. Women cannot be drafted. In social situations, many people will work to avoid prejudging African Americans, for fear of being seen as racist. These are perhaps small victories, but the circumstances of their existence is what must be understood.

When someone plays into these stereotypes, they play into the web of lies just as much; the idea that a woman cannot be violent, or a black man powerful and corrupt, and more importantly the collective assumptions that birthed them, are reinforced.

"Of course women can't be violent, their biology and psychology are just oriented towards different things than a man's."

This is the same logic that is used to create ALL double standards, not just the ones that shake out in favor of women.

And this says nothing of how dangerous it is to hold someones word as truth simply because of where the web of lies would place them. People use their connections with women and minorities to obfuscate their oppression all the time.

"I don't hit women no matter what; that can't be sexist, my mother is the one who taught me not to do it."

"My friend is black, and he thinks this is okay."

The validity of an argument is not determined by it's source, and women and minorities are just as capable of making flawed arguments as anyone else. The argument does not become correct because it was argued by the right person.

Encouraging this kind of reasoning, these fallacious shortcuts to understanding human nature, is in and of itself an act of prejudice, because it is weaver of the aforementioned web of lies, the corner stone in the unjust structure: The idea that people should be judged based on where they came from instead of who they are.

Douchebags
Here's the bottom line; treating people differently because they had the audacity to be born with a certain amount melanin in their skin, or with one set of genitals as opposed to another, is a shitty thing to do. It's small minded, it's shallow, it's illogical, it's obnoxious, it's unfair, and it's destructive. Even if doing didn't serve to create a narrative of oppression, it would still be a shitty thing to do, and you'd still be a shithead for doing it, sexist and racist or not.

People like this are not our friends and they are not on our side. We may have a common enemy in the form of the modern power structure, but they aren't fighting it because they want to do what's right, all they care about is how it inconveniences them. All they do is make the cause seem more and more unwelcoming and unreasonable to the outside world.

If in 200 years, we've reached the end of this conflict, and the ideas of treating a woman as less than a man, or an African American as less than a Caucasian, are relics of the past, I don't want future generations to deal with the same problems in a different skin because we compromised our ideas and lost sight of the true goal; because the only lessons we taught them were "Respect women" or "Respect black people", instead of teaching them to respect all people.
 

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JoJo said:
Ugh, racism and sexism have no place in our United Kingdom, I hope this woman loses her position soon.
It has no place anywhere. I have never heard of this woman before.
 

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JoJo said:
Ugh, racism and sexism have no place in our United Kingdom, I hope this woman loses her position soon.
Nah, we're just not so negative about it. We tend to favour positive discrimination if anything.
 

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sumanoskae said:
Our culture most certainly has affection and respect for women and minorities, as long as they behave in the way it wants them to behave. Not only are they punished for disobeying it, they are rewarded for reinforcing it.
Replace 'women and minorities' with 'people' and the statement is still true. Why single out those two?
 

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No one should be a dick to another person based on their gender/sexuality/ethnicity.
Ideally, no one should be a dick to anyone at all, but as a species we're struggling with the former as it is.

I haven't read the article or the OP because I fear it will be trying to navigate a room full of biased detection lasers.
 

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AccursedTheory said:
EDIT: Is queer an acceptable term in the UK?
It's not really UNacceptable, it's just quite a dated expression here, i'd say it was kind of neutral. Depends on how you use it, we usually jut use gay here and not much else.

shrekfan246 said:
ITT: The internet outrage machine rages on.

You wouldn't think this would be a controversial statement, but white men don't need to be welcome in literally every discussion that's ever held anywhere. A term that's often mockingly applied to people is "mansplaining", which is particularly relevant in such situations as having a ton of white guys talking about how to diversify a large body of people.
It was a diversity promotion rally. How do you promte diversity if you exclude a whole bunch of people and then insult them? That's fucking mental! Especially excluding the people you really want to be preaching diversity to? Like or not, white men are the ones that /make/ the rules, they're the ones you need to convince and spread the word through, not the minorities, because that's just masturbating. It's not doing anything, it's just people sitting in a room agreeing each other. Shall we take it to the people in charge? Nope, lets just sit in a room complaining about how oppressed we are. Martin Luther King didn't it in a room whining, the gay rallies didn't lock themselves out of non-gay supporters, no, they took it to the fucking streets and the people running things.
 

Mikeybb

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Language changes.

Definitions change.

What she's calling racism and sexism, was taught to people my age as institutionalized racism and sexism.
Sometimes there is even disagreement between peers within a field of study on what definitions should be accepted as standard.
If it transpires that the definition for sexism and racism shifts, or has already shifted to this definition, then that is even acceptable.

What is NOT acceptable here is that she is being publicly prejudiced towards a group of individuals based on elements of their identity which lay beyond their control.

There is no need to attempt to argue she is racist and sexist.
No need at all.

She is proudly bigoted and unrepentantly prejudiced.
That's what matters.

If people try to turn this into an argument over whether she can be racist and sexist or not, then that's all the argument will be about.
What matters here is showing that NO bigotry or prejudice is acceptable, no matter who it comes from and no matter how they wrap it in a gordian knot of justifications.
 

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Morti said:
An important concept that needs to be used carefully to avoid it being associated with crap like this. This is, for example, why it's not so bad to call a white person a cracker (one persons feelings get hurt, they grab a coffee to cheer themselves up and forget it happened)(personally wouldn't do something like it, as it is still dickish), but racist to call a black person the N word (reinforces negative stereotypes in all those within earshot, unlikely to be the only incident that day, hard to forget).
That's not how this shit works, for fuck's sake. Apply this simple test: invert the genders/sexualities/skin colours of the people involved. Does this make it sound like a bad thing? If so: it's not a good thing to say.
 

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sumanoskae said:
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In violent domestic situations, women are assumed to be the victim, and thus people are more prepared to help them. Women cannot be drafted. In social situations, many people will work to avoid prejudging African Americans, for fear of being seen as racist. These are perhaps small victories, but the circumstances of their existence is what must be understood.

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I don't think these are victories in the ways you may mean. Women always being assumed to be the victim is damaging to any male victims as well as portraying an image of helplessness upon women which doesn't exactly help them to be seen as equals by some subsets of the population who argue that they need to be 'protected' by either enforced dress codes like the Burqua or intrusive government.

Women being able to serve in the military is a good step but at the same time. Being unable to be drafted for service is therefore, an anachronism that should be done away with.

Often the effects of not wanting to be seen as racist can go far further than not prejudging people or discriminating against them, for example in the United Kingdom there was the case of the Rotherham Scandal where police did not prosecute the victimizers of 1,400 children for fear of being labeled as racist "Council and other officials sometimes thought youth workers were exaggerating the exploitation problem. Sometimes they were afraid of being accused of racism if they talked openly about the perpetrators in the town mostly being Pakistani taxi drivers"(The Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/26/rotherham-sexual-abuse-children).

It's extreme cases like that which need to be cracked down on while the moderate benefits need to be promoted.
 
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Scarim Coral said:

Yeah, it doesn't matter what her background is, racism is STILL racism!
Wow. Just wow. After watching that video, I cannot honestly tell who is the more morally reprehensible person: Bahar Mustafa or Evan Delshaw. Both of them seem to be two sides to the same self-righteous, gee aren't the people I disagree with just asininely stupid?-type of coin.
 

Zontar

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davidmc1158 said:
Wow. Just wow. After watching that video, I cannot honestly tell who is the more morally reprehensible person: Bahar Mustafa or Evan Delshaw. Both of them seem to be two sides to the same self-righteous, gee aren't the people I disagree with just asininely stupid?-type of coin.
Care to elaborate on why you have an issue with Evan Delshaw? He may be a bit of an asshole, but I can't imagine how that puts him on the same level as an openly racist and sexist person who is trying to hid behind the redefining of words to make their bigotry not be 'officially' racism or sexism.
 
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Zontar said:
davidmc1158 said:
Wow. Just wow. After watching that video, I cannot honestly tell who is the more morally reprehensible person: Bahar Mustafa or Evan Delshaw. Both of them seem to be two sides to the same self-righteous, gee aren't the people I disagree with just asininely stupid?-type of coin.
Care to elaborate on why you have an issue with Evan Delshaw? He may be a bit of an asshole, but I can't imagine how that puts him on the same level as an openly racist and sexist person who is trying to hid behind the redefining of words to make their bigotry not be 'officially' racism or sexism.
I think the two main issues I have with him is the cracks about higher education being nothing more than a bastion of "Marxist divisive identity politics way of thinking" and his lumping everything he disagrees with under "feminists" think that way bull.

All in all, I think she wins out on being the bigger ass because of her position and the influence that comes with it, especially the way she has chosen to use that influence. However, he still comes across as a raging hemorrhoidal asshole to my. I teach college classes and roughly half of my colleagues are liberal and the other half conservative. His blanket claims really rub me the wrong way.
 

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elilupe said:
I logged in just to ask, What the Hell is wrong with all of you people
I have logged in to ask, could you be a bit clearer?

Otherwise, you're being self-righteous (not a problem, everyone on the Escapist is) and contributing nothing to the conversation (which is against the forum rules, and annoying)
 

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Blood Brain Barrier said:
sumanoskae said:
Our culture most certainly has affection and respect for women and minorities, as long as they behave in the way it wants them to behave. Not only are they punished for disobeying it, they are rewarded for reinforcing it.
Replace 'women and minorities' with 'people' and the statement is still true. Why single out those two?
...Because we're talking about racism and sexism. The topic of conversation is how women and minorities are treated differently, and more specifically, how that fact does not prevent them from negatively influencing the situation.

The overall point of the comment is a unifying one; remember who the enemy is. It isn't the particular shade that prejudice takes today, it's prejudice itself. And, judging by your response, you know that. When I mention the web of lies, the fact that it affects EVERYONE is precisely my point.