Please Sign This Petition, Racism/Sexism Isn't Okay If Its Against Straight White Men

[R.K. Meades]

Hey, I'm a straight white cis male, and jewish,

You know I've been thinking, as a Jew myself I've been trying to figure out if, for those of us outside of Israel, is being Jewish a privilege or... whatever the term is for the opposite of privilege in new speak (disprivilage?), since while there are the stereotypes about Jews having high education and getting into lucrative lines of work, there's also the anti-Semitism.

Though if my girlfriend and I ever spawn new players, it would be interesting. I don't think there are that many half-Vietnamese/Half Jewish people out there.

Being Jewish in the UK effectively makes you 'white when convenient' on campus. Expressing opinions that go against the careerist brown-nosers in the student union-- you might want to ease up on that white privilege, son. If you're subjected to a hate crime - like a swastika painted on the front of your parents' home - that makes you an aggrieved minority, and your story will be milked for propaganda value. The loudest campus radicals (of every stripe) aren't too keen on letting people speak for themselves.

I have encountered Bahar Mustafa's type before. Usually, the bulk of their interactions were feeble, profanity-laden comebacks if I dared to speak up. That is easy to brush away with a laugh. About the worst thing I endured during my undergrad years was having blood thrown on me, and getting spat on, after shouting down a vulgar anti-Israel rally. The cowards had a significant numerical advantage, and never would have been brave enough for a one-on-one confrontation.

 

[davidmc1158_v1legacy]

Do Americans not have Student Unions?

Okay to elaborate...in the UK student unions are a HUGE thing. Almost every University has a student union, which are all (well I think all) part of the National Union of Students (NUS) which is an absolutely gigantic monolith of a nation-wide organisation. The NUS does a variety of things including politically representing student's interests to central government and championing students' rights.

It can vary from state to state and university to university, but I believe that the majority of universities in the United States do not allow their students to organize into unions unless those unions are created, controlled and run by the university in question.

In recent years, I have caught wind of several universities spending a lot of money via lawyers to make certain their students could not organize (and that their employees couldn't either because of a push to prevent state employees from creating unions). Unions are often considered just one step away from full-blown Stalin-style communism by a fair number of individuals here in the U.S., I'm sad to say.

OT: I will not sign the petition. I do not live in that country and neither go to school or work for said university. Even if I did, I would prefer to use the in-house channels to either get her written up (and educated on what standards someone in her position/office should be upholding) or dismissed from her position should it become necessary (which would be a regrettable step because she seems the sort who would cling to the martyrdom self-pity with both hands and screaming about it as widely as she could).

I can only hope real life gives her a dose of perspective and some much needed humility. Being made the target of an internet mob doesn't seem to be the best way to do that, either.

 

[Therumancer]

Right now I'm trying to remain content to just sit back and watch the show.

This kind of situation is a big part of why I am so anti-liberal, we've created a situation where we've pretty much demonized the majority in the civilized world to the point where our attempts to end discrimination have backfired. We've locked ourselves into a position where the reason why people like this aren't shut down in the US/UK/etc.. is because we've conditioned so many people to both think it's righteous, as well as demonizing the kinds of techniques needed to shut idiots like this down. We're pretty much watching the dream of diversity and tolerance get torn down by the other side, which gleefully engages in the same kind of racism that was made illegal for their benefit originally and fear of backlash from liberals and SJWs with lawyers who exploit the system has so far prevented reprisals.

I'm not great at articulating it, but I've been saying for a while now we needed to shut these kinds of people down as they were developing. People ignored what was coming believing it could never get to this point, and yet it did. The US, UK, and a lot of the first world are all being plagued by uprisings of minorities who don't want to assimilate into society and have been convinced that they are owed something, combined with an unhealthy desire for revenge. These kinds of problems largely existing only within the societies that were enlightened enough to try and be tolerant to begin with and whom opened the doors, in the places where there is real oppression these guys won't try and do anything because they know the societies there won't tolerate them.

Getting past all the danger of some of the issues on display here eventually leading to a civil war in the US, the bottom line is the problem exists because of white morality. White people wanted to try and be tolerant in countries where they were the majority rather than trying to create largely mono-ethnic societies like most of the world still possesses. Whites decided to end slavery, which most of the world still practices in one fashion or another even if they don't call it slavery, probably because we were the ones most victimized by it throughout history given that white civilizations were arguably the last to rise, with the whites being the oppressed barbarians hunted and enslaved by the empires built up around The Fertile Crescent. People like to go off about white hatred and bigotry, but see if most while people were that way these "social revolutions" never would have happened. What's more those white racists that were out there were largely pushed to the very fringes of society with little control over anything.

So now, ask yourself what happens when we go from social issues, to yet more rioting and civil disruption by unassimilated peoples not embracing the opportunities they were given. Especially when you see more and more minority icons getting up there insulting white people, and even calling for mass murder via social media. In doing so becoming an example of what every single racist through the history of the first world told us was going to happen and in a way proving their point?

I'll tell you what's going to happen, the white racists that have been a boogie man, a social joke out on the fringes of society, are going to become the real threat that people always claimed they were. Like it or not while whites are losing majority status in some of their countries (like the USA) it's happening very slowly, they still control most of the infrastructure and power, not to mention it's hard to claim that diversification isn't a threat when you have people all through the western world screaming for blood and pushing for societal vengeance. You push hard enough there is going to be a backlash, and it's not going to be a small one. "Whitey" in reality is pretty laid back globally speaking, but he's not someone you want to feel genuinely threatened (beyond people implying there is fear in hype) or start motivating to action, and one of the best ways to do that is to sit around running blatantly racist events, organizing riots in the name of mob justice, and screaming for his blood.

Now don't misunderstand this, I'm not saying there is going to be any kind of sudden massive uprising of white people gunning minorities down in the streets. We're not even close to that. The big sign you need to start looking for is that a lot of these fringe racial groups are not going to be so fringe anymore. Scare people, make them fear based on their race, and that's going to lead people into getting organized to strike back. See, groups like the KKK weren't a threat because they rallied in robes and lynched a comparatively tiny handful of people, they were a threat because they were a secret society (hence the hoods) and for a long time nobody could even definitively prove they existed, this was their power more so than the violence which was mostly so scary because nobody could do anything about it since the Klan wound up controlling everything, once they were officially uncovered it was relatively easy to deal with them however. Whites have tended to be smarter about this kind of thing than other ethnic groups, and the more we keep this going the more your going to be feeding beasts like this one, and the more overt ones like the Aryans and Neo Nazis. Then 5 maybe 10 years later we're going to be sitting there watching hate crimes and wondering "well gee, how did these guys get so powerful". Some will argue they were always out there waiting to strike, but the truth is that they weren't in any position to do crap until we let stuff like that gathering in the UK and some of the stuff we've been watching in the US go on. Trust me push "whitey" and he's going to push back, and once that happens for real, as opposed to people talking crap, we can pretty much kiss the dream of co-existence in the USA farewell because we will finally have created a divide that will be irresolvable.

Not well articulated, but that's my thoughts. Basically, if we want co-existence we need to start actually taking action against minority organizations that are stirring up trouble, no matter how much propaganda or social investment is behind their righteousness. Keep punishing whites as haters, while letting minorities spew hatred, riot against the system, and not adapt to live in peace, and that dual standard is going to destroy everything. Someone like our UK speaker her, or Saida Grundy in the US need to be dealt with just as ferociously as groups like the Klan had been in
the past, especially when we're seeing race riots all over the country. Sure, the angry white men who here this and get pissed aren't kicking down doors and being stupid, but given the lack of societal response just imagine how many of them are probably seriously thinking about pro-white organizations simply due to the fear being caused by these speeches and recent events.... and as I said, when we do see counterstrikes, the white MO tends to be very organized and methodical. Unlike the suicide bombers of the Muslims white "terrorists" usually want to live if they can rather than die to make a point, and you usually don't see spontaneous eruptions of violence. Rather these groups spread through the infrastructure, and when they do act it's carefully pre-meditated and planned and all the more dangerous for it. We do not want a real return of white hate, and that is what it seems people are angling for, updated for modern technology what you'd see there would be terrifying beyond what any other terror group on the planet has shown itself of being capable of. I personally do not want to have to live through this race war, but hey, if people want to start it, all I can do is sit back and let it happen, it's not like anyone ever listens to me or people like me, we get dismissed instantly for saying uncomfortable things people don't want to hear. Just like the whole "War On Terror" being able to say "I told you so" over a decade later doesn't really mean much since everyone still has to deal with the repercussions.

 

[Therumancer]

Hey, I'm a straight white cis male, and jewish,

You know I've been thinking, as a Jew myself I've been trying to figure out if, for those of us outside of Israel, is being Jewish a privilege or... whatever the term is for the opposite of privilege in new speak (disprivilage?), since while there are the stereotypes about Jews having high education and getting into lucrative lines of work, there's also the anti-Semitism.

Though if my girlfriend and I ever spawn new players, it would be interesting. I don't think there are that many half-Vietnamese/Half Jewish people out there.

Well, the situation with Jews can be fairly complicated. A lot of the bad blood goes back to the old days when Jews were the only ones allowed to lend money through most of the civilized world due to religious rules. While viewed as a "dirty" job, money lending tends to lead to making a lot of money, and along with money lending of course came loan sharking and various book keeping gimmicks. Jews were running some of the first truly nasty ethnic organized crime syndicates based entirely around the loan business. You also wound up with Jews tending to group together into ethnic communities, and also wind up owning lots and lots of property which they refused to ever sell to anyone who was not also Jewish, in many cases allowing entire sections of cities to rot when they couldn't do anything with the property since they would not sell it to anyone who would develop it. This of course did not apply to ALL Jews by any stretch of the imagination, but there were enough Jews doing this kind of thing to inspire large scale bad blood. The character "Shylock" from Shakespeare's "Merchant Of Venice" is a pretty accurate depiction of how the old world saw the Jews. During World War II it's been argued that Hitler took some of his speeches from those given by wealthy Jews in terms of there being a "master race" which was a variation on how Jews argued they were "God's chosen people". Some of those who allied with Hitler, namely Romania, did so because they wanted the Jews killed off less due to any kind of ethnic hatred but because of a desire for the "re-Romanianization or property". Basically substantial portions of Romania were owned by Jews who were doing nothing with the property and refused to part with it, and on it's own the government couldn't deal with the problem since the Jews while a minority were too powerful internally, the Nazis were welcomed for providing manpower and firepower to remove the Jewish population and see the property returned to the hands of Romanians. You can read anything you want between the lines of any of that of course. I'm not attempting to sell you or anyone on anti-Semitic propaganda (which would be impossible in your case obviously) so much as explain the point of view.

At any rate, the point is that even post-World War II Jews don't exactly have a good reputation in terms of business, the view being that their wealth typically comes from exploiting other people, usually through "soft power" means like loans, property deals, and similar things, usually skating on the razor edge of legality without stepping over it. There are also frequent accusations of bigotry from Jews aimed at others, given that apparently there are large portions of some cities like New York and LA owned by Jewish real estate companies that refuse to sell to anyone who isn't Jewish. It's been difficult to prove, but basically some company shows up, makes an offer, they won't sell, and then a year later the company sells to a Jewish interest for a fraction of what was offered. You might say "well, that's fine, everyone does it" and there is some truth to that, especially when you look at ethnic neighborhoods in general, and notice that despite offers from a lot of people the buildings in a "Chinatown" always somehow always manage to stay under Chinese ownership. The thing it isn't supposed to be illegal, of course the only time you tend to see it come up is when whites are accused of not selling to minorities, when minorities don't want to sell to whites or other minorities rarely is anything ever done.... this isn't an exclusively Jewish issue, but given some of what happened in "The Old World" and the stigmas that came along with it, well let's say grudges have been held, and to a lot of people it seems like the same thing that has been being reported for a very long time.

That said in other parts of the world it's probably less of an issue, all of this comes down to conflicts that have been going on in Europe and European countries for well... over a thousand years probably. That kind of thing doesn't just go away.

Now that I've explained that and hopefully won't have people yelling at me for being a Nazi or being accused as some kind of anti-Semite simply for understanding that side of it, I will attempt to answer the question you posed directly.

Jews seem to be viewed as a protected minority whom it is impossible to criticize as a group due to feelings of guilt over World War II. The more "old world" you are in your outlook the more anti-Semitic it seems people tend to be. Multi-generational Americans who don't heavily associated with a previous culture (like me) on the other hand don't generally have much of a problem with Jews. As a result, it can get complicated. This is also reflected in a lot of the politics involving Israel, where you'll notice that a lot of "pure Americans" like me tend to side heavily with Israel and simplify it as "Israel is an ally, Palestine isn't, so we back Israel" when you get down to it, on the other hand this causes a lot of tensions with a lot of European nations, who might talk around it, but some of us remember a lot of these countries that fought Hitler weren't exactly doing it because of The Holocaust no matter how it's spun now, and those that sided with him could even be pretty gleeful about it. Given the pressure from our involvement in The Middle East and pressure from our European allies who aren't exactly waving Israeli flags for whatever reason they want to claim it can become a mess. Here in the US you also wind up with say large communities of Europeans, Italians, Irish, etc... and even there you seem to find tensions.

Jewish success tends to be tainted by the perception that it comes at someone else's expense, oftentimes using legal, but underhanded means. This also includes a perception of Jews relishing in the misery they can bring to other people. Again "Shylock" is pretty much the character to examine if you want a quick overview of how a lot of people see successful Jewish businessmen.

In closing I will however say I have never been screwed by, or had any bad experiences with, Jews in business or otherwise. My personal "bigotries" tend to always come from first hand experience and I'm not shy about expressing them. I have personally never seen anything to reinforce the negative stereotypes, although I've had it explained to me in detail.

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

That woman is an idiot. Of course minorities can be racist and sexist. It has nothing to do with privilege.

Thing is if that sign read "No black people," "No gays" or "No woman" then there would be up roar and that person would be punished for it. An rightly so. Woman can be sexist and minorities can be raced towards white people - just its treated as a joke. When a sexist man or a racist white person is seen as evil.

 

[Therumancer]

Question: What does a "Welfare & Diversity Officer" do for this university? I'm guessing its part of some sort of student group or some sort of equivalant to a dorm advisor. The article doesn't really explain. The petition doesn't make it clear at all. I mean, yeah, she said bad stuff, but its not really clear who it is that is saying it. Like, if I just told you "somebody from my school said 'queers should be put on an island and nuked'" you'd think thats a distasteful comment. However, most people would see a world of difference between a student saying that and the school administrator saying that. Student saying that, the reaction is "yeah, fuck that asshole", but a school administrator, people will be out for their job (and rightfully so in my opinion).

Do Americans not have Student Unions?

Okay to elaborate...in the UK student unions are a HUGE thing. Almost every University has a student union, which are all (well I think all) part of the National Union of Students (NUS) which is an absolutely gigantic monolith of a nation-wide organisation. The NUS does a variety of things including politically representing student's interests to central government and championing students' rights.

On a more local level, like Goldsmith's Student Union, they are typically semi-independent of the University itself but are inextricably tied with said University (which means they're basically involved in the University permanently despite "technically" in most cases being independently-run from it). Fundamentally they represent every single student in the University they are affiliated with and act as a central hub for social activities, political activism, student support and all of that stuff.

As far as this woman goes, she's one of the Union Officers. The Unions tend to have a bunch of staff (in Goldsmith's case they have a Chief Executive and Deputy, for example, as well as a pile of other co-ordinators and managers) and handful of democratically elected full-time student officers (taking sabbaticals from their study to do the job). They are full-time paid positions to which they are elected by the student body (or at least those who can be bothered to actually vote in them) and are intended to be representative of the student body, representing it on every level and dealing with issues put to them within their remit. They are also typically responsible for sitting on appropriate University committees as the student representative and for meeting with University staff on behalf of students. Student Officers tend to be fairly responsible roles that, somewhat unfortunately, have issues with getting people to actually vote; which means that bloc-voting is frequently successful which makes the whole process somewhat vulnerable to people with agendas or egos.

To put this as simply as possible though: she was democratically elected by the student body to this role for a one year term and is getting paid £22,000 per year (source: http://www.goldsmithssu.org/representation/elections/positions/fulltime/ ) to be the Welfare and Diversity Officer; caring for student welfare and acting as one of the "faces" of the student body. She isn't getting paid by the University directly, she's getting paid by the Union, but the Union is inextricably tied to the University. And at a very high level (as in she will be liaising with senior faculty, probably not the Vice-Chancellor because the Union President will typically deal with them if at all, but definitely high-level staff). As well as publicly representing the student body of that University and, indirectly, the University itself.

Officially I think the right people to write to would probably be the Union President and Chief Executive. But ultimately Universities effectively have some responsibility for their Unions. And, more to the point, Universities could make things extremely difficult for someone who they do not want in a position by just refusing to deal with them and barring them from meetings.

Yes and no, we do but to my knowledge they are nothing like that. As someone who attended a community college in Connecticut (Three Rivers, which actually had one of the best Criminal Justice programs there is despite that, being set up and run by the former head of the Connecticut State Police) I can say there WAS a student union, but I never got the impression it was anything that powerful or connected as it didn't seem to do much of anything, it was just sort of "there" and helped organize events and such. I care enough to learn much about it as it never influenced many things I was doing, and it certainly didn't have the power to produce loudmouths like this lady, or at least not that I saw.

That said, my basic attitude is that the university seems to be giving implicit support to this racism by not taking any action. For everything that you've said, it still appears that the student unions are allowed to operate on Campus this way because they have permission from the university, they are at the end of the day a private organization that provides service to the school, so to speak. There is no reason at all she can't be thrown off property, and the union told to produce another rep, because even if the students themselves elected the person that shouldn't be binding to the university. I suppose something like the Student Union you described could make a big deal out of it, try and arrange student protests, or whatever else, since this kind of pressure is probably part of how it holds power anyway, but I can't see such an organization successfully rallying on behalf of a racist, and if they did they would probably put themselves into jeopardy especially if the universities petitioned the government to remove the union and it's reps from all campuses nation wide... nobody would benefit from that, and nobody would want to see it pushed that far especially in response to something like this.

Basically all I can say is again, the university seems to be showing approval as I think it could do a lot more. There is no reason to arrest her yet, but they could ban her from property.

Of course disturbingly enough I don't see many students rallying to protest her either going by this, so that probably says something about the community on that campus.

As I said in another post, at the end of the day there is nothing most of us can do about this crap, so let it go on, then when the inevitable backlash happens people will reap what they are sowing now. I anticipate it's only a matter of time before both the US and UK do indeed have a problem with militant white racists, the ones being created right now by this crap. The only down side is that I have to get dragged down by the inevitable crossfire while everyone runs around going "oh no, how could this have happened, why did nobody see it coming".

While she's a matter of the faculty down here the US has their own version of this lady named "Said Grundy" who just went on a tirade against evil white men via social media, never truly apologized, and for whatever reason wasn't fired. Her subject is *ahem* Black Sociology, and in her words she merely got "too fired up about her beliefs in public". Now all we need is for someone to other European equivilents and of course ones from Canada and Australia and we will then be able to show that the problem is becoming universal.

 

[Jack Action]

Some of those who allied with Hitler, namely Romania, did so because they wanted the Jews killed off less due to any kind of ethnic hatred but because of a desire for the "re-Romanianization or property". Basically substantial portions of Romania were owned by Jews who were doing nothing with the property and refused to part with it, and on it's own the government couldn't deal with the problem since the Jews while a minority were too powerful internally, the Nazis were welcomed for providing manpower and firepower to remove the Jewish population and see the property returned to the hands of Romanians. You can read anything you want between the lines of any of that of course. I'm not attempting to sell you or anyone on anti-Semitic propaganda (which would be impossible in your case obviously) so much as explain the point of view.

I would really like some evidence for this, because afaik we allied with der Nazis because they promised to let us have some specific territories. We switched when it became obvious Germany had neither the will nor the means to fulfil that promise, while the allies did and made the exact same offer. Then they sold us out to the Russians, but hey.

 

[MiskWisk]

Well, I'd like to talk about how this woman is an idiot but that has already been done to death.

As an aside though, I've realised I'm becoming a little... twitchy about the term "minority" simply because of how context sensitive the term is. I mean, if I, a white British man were to go to somewhere like (picking a name out of a hat) Beijing, do I not have the right to declare myself a minority?

 

[Therumancer]

Some of those who allied with Hitler, namely Romania, did so because they wanted the Jews killed off less due to any kind of ethnic hatred but because of a desire for the "re-Romanianization or property". Basically substantial portions of Romania were owned by Jews who were doing nothing with the property and refused to part with it, and on it's own the government couldn't deal with the problem since the Jews while a minority were too powerful internally, the Nazis were welcomed for providing manpower and firepower to remove the Jewish population and see the property returned to the hands of Romanians. You can read anything you want between the lines of any of that of course. I'm not attempting to sell you or anyone on anti-Semitic propaganda (which would be impossible in your case obviously) so much as explain the point of view.

I would really like some evidence for this, because afaik we allied with der Nazis because they promised to let us have some specific territories. We switched when it became obvious Germany had neither the will nor the means to fulfil that promise, while the allies did and made the exact same offer. Then they sold us out to the Russians, but hey.

It's questionable if you'd accept anything I explained or pointed out simply because I'm sure Romania has it's own way of wanting to remember history, like everyone, and simply put if you require "proof" of something like this then by definition your already going to be omitting anything I'm likely to show you, so I generally don't get into discussions where people are asking for proof of common knowledge.

That said, while it's not the best site in the world Wikipedia does have a pretty solid page dedicated to the history of Jews in Romania, though I guess because of disagreements with Romanians the section on World War II is notably cut other than some basic mention of well documented massacres. That said it does make specific mention of fights over Jewish property ownership, and attempts to remove Jewish citizenship all the way through the 1910s and 1920s. You can also find some points about this and citizenship (which has been tied to property ownership) on sites like "The Jewish Virtual Library" where there is a section on "The Plan Of The Extermination Of Romanian Jewry".

One thing you will find on a number of sites is comments on the internal struggles between fascists and more progressive thinkers, in Romania at the time causing some of the laws to waffle, including a brief period where the "Iron Guard" was basically banned. That said it was an alliance with Germany that provided the muscle for the fascists to cement their power base and what gave them the firepower to actually begin the purges and property reclaimation. One thing the sources do not seem to dispute is the body count once Romania decided it's best interests were served through an alliance with Hitler.

That said, I don't think these kinds of sources are going to be really popular with you, let's just say Romania does not exactly have a sterling reputation during that time period, and yeah, Romania did fall into lock step and get involved in The Holocaust which was right in line with what a lot of people there wanted to begin with. It wasn't just Hitler promising territory, though to be frank I have no doubt he promised that too, Hitler was nothing if not charismatic and gifted at telling people exactly what they wanted to hear.

 

[Jack Action]

It's questionable if you'd accept anything I explained or pointed out simply because I'm sure Romania has it's own way of wanting to remember history, like everyone, and simply put if you require "proof" of something like this then by definition your already going to be omitting anything I'm likely to show you, so I generally don't get into discussions where people are asking for proof of common knowledge.

That said, while it's not the best site in the world Wikipedia does have a pretty solid page dedicated to the history of Jews in Romania, though I guess because of disagreements with Romanians the section on World War II is notably cut other than some basic mention of well documented massacres. That said it does make specific mention of fights over Jewish property ownership, and attempts to remove Jewish citizenship all the way through the 1910s and 1920s. You can also find some points about this and citizenship (which has been tied to property ownership) on sites like "The Jewish Virtual Library" where there is a section on "The Plan Of The Extermination Of Romanian Jewry".

One thing you will find on a number of sites is comments on the internal struggles between fascists and more progressive thinkers, in Romania at the time causing some of the laws to waffle, including a brief period where the "Iron Guard" was basically banned. That said it was an alliance with Germany that provided the muscle for the fascists to cement their power base and what gave them the firepower to actually begin the purges and property reclaimation. One thing the sources do not seem to dispute is the body count once Romania decided it's best interests were served through an alliance with Hitler.

That said, I don't think these kinds of sources are going to be really popular with you, let's just say Romania does not exactly have a sterling reputation during that time period, and yeah, Romania did fall into lock step and get involved in The Holocaust which was right in line with what a lot of people there wanted to begin with. It wasn't just Hitler promising territory, though to be frank I have no doubt he promised that too, Hitler was nothing if not charismatic and gifted at telling people exactly what they wanted to hear.

I don't doubt that disposing of the Jews and anyone else who was part of a not-exactly-popular group was a very nice bonus, since it was a popular thing at the time, but calling it the prime reason when the Nazis offered a solution to the territorial disputes we've been having with the Hungarians over the last ~400 years is disingenuous, especially since solving said disputes and incorporating anything we saw as "our" territory (that being mostly various bits to the north and west) into the motherland was our raison d'etre after the Turks stopped trying to invade.

 

[Therumancer]

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I wonder, would you give a several paragraph lecture to black people why racial segregation and slavery were A-okay and white people are also victims, would you dare say that to their face in public or publish your real name? I wonder if anti-semitism has been going so long it's hereditary now.

See, this is the kind of response I was concerned about when I wrote that, since I was explaining anti-Semitism to someone who claimed they were not sure about it despite being Jewish. As I pointed out I am not an anti-Semite and to be honest if I was, I wouldn't tip toe around it. I'm sure plenty of people on The Escapist know my general sentiments on gay men for example, not that I'm going to go into that again, I'm simply pointing out that I just generally don't give a crap about hiding my thoughts since I base my thoughts on this kind of subject on first hand experience and while some day my opinions my change, I have the nuts to stand by what I believe when it's unpopular.

That said, I have already written numerous bits about "black racism" in a number of directions over the years, some quite lengthy. Simply put by NOT being a racist I'm probably more offensive to many than actual racists are. Simply put I do not believe there is anything intrinsic to blacks that make them inferior, more apt to act out, or anything else. Indeed I feel that I can expect the same things from them as I can from whites, Asians, or anyone else for that matter. The problem with blacks is mostly cultural and a matter of behavior, which is what they get judged by, adjusting the attitudes and behaviors is the ultimate solution to the problems, though in practice that can be quite brutal since it basically amounts to showing a zero tolerance for attitudes and behaviors embraced by millions of people, combined with strict, and perhaps even brutal punishments. Forced societal assimilation is never a pretty thing, but ultimately the solution to the problems. Basically I feel that blacks have developed into too much of a confrontational counter culture based on entitlement and blame. Those that assimilate into society, and there are many who do, tend not to run into problems. For the majority though it doesn't matter what opportunities you present if they are not willing to take them. While not a fan of all of his politics Bill Cosby helped me learn to articulate some of my thoughts here (and despite his sex scandal he does have a PHD in education), he's someone who has spent millions of dollars of his own money trying to help blacks and as he points out you can provide all the computers and textbooks in the world and all the opportunities but none of it matters if the people see it as selling out and actually go out of their way to destroy what you give them.

One of the reasons why I am not a racist, and laugh at those that are, as well as laughing at the idea of some kind of debt owed over slavery is simply because human civilization started in the fertile crescent region. All of these "white power" loons seem to all forget that dark skinned people were building empires while us white dudes were the barbarians they all preyed on and enslaved. Even the greeks and romans were dark skinned people in reality, it's just that they were nearly wiped out in the fall of the Roman empire and the survivors were bred into the barbarian people who progressed and then built what gradually turned into the current great powers from what was left of Rome. Basically for most of human history it was a black dude who could have made a case for a white dude being an uncivilized animal, and for thousands of years dark skinned people enslaved the lighter skinned ones. Obviously this makes arguments about racial superiority a joke given how the situation reversed. It also means that arguments about entitlements due to slavery are a joke as well given that if you want to get technical blacks enslaved whites for thousands of years, far longer than the scant few centuries whites did the same. What's more it can be argued slavery still exists in one form or another through most of the world today, even if it's called something else. Whites are mostly noteworthy when it comes from slavery for ending it, perhaps due to some genetic memory of having been oppressed for so long, indeed it's white countries that try and prevent things like human trafficking and set global standards on human rights. While they term it differently consider that India accounts for 1/3rd of the human race, and China for another 1/3rd, and all other ethnicities share the remaining third, both India and China have all kinds of problems with types of forced servitude (look at the controversy caused by the Indian ambassador's wife and her maid here in the US), The Middle East has all kinds of weird systems of debt and servitude to say nothing of what it does to women, and through Africa you have different warlords enslaving the people under them to various purposes. It's mostly in North America and Europe that you see a big focus on human freedom, not that you'd ever guess that as an outsider given all the bloody whining.

That's pretty much the closest I can give you to the rant your wondering about if you want something I believe. If you wanted a hypothetical case for slavery, segregation, and similar things, I could probably do it, but the problem is such attitudes have been dead so long I don't really have much in the way of examples to base it on. With the anti-Semite stuff I've heard enough rants over the years to get the gist of the arguments, in comparison I can't think of one person who has tried to rationalize putting blacks in chains in the US. With other forms of slavery through the world in many cases they tend to view it as something else. India for example still holds to a lot of the ideas from their old "caste system" which they claim to have abolished but still exists especially given it's pseudo-religious basis combined with the continued dominance of the Hindu religion. Likewise the oppression in The Middle East comes in forms of indentured servitude, and of course the religious mandates involving women. In Africa your dealing with a bunch of rather savage areas and the bottom like is that this week's warlord holds everyone under his guns and forces them to do whatever he wants because might makes right there, China uses some warped ideas based on communism those guys you've heard of sharing dog crates with mats in them for sleeping space, the ones that live with their livestock (how SARS apparently got started), etc... basically argues that the job needs to be done, and these people are serving as part of the great societal machine, doing humble jobs that are needed, for equally humble compensation. The more favored city dwellers making up the elite (who have everything the first world do) have this weird way of lionizing the workers while at the same time brutally exploiting them and maintaining the status quo.

 

[IamLEAM1983]

Claiming that because of being a minority and being female, means you can't racist and sexist, is the most racist and sexist thing you can say outside of actual slurs.

True. I understand that white cis males have less to endure than, say, females of color because of how pervasive gender-based and racial profiling happens to be, but the fact is racism isn't limited to specific races. To say that it works only on the token minorities is fairly reductive.

A lot of us French Canadians (predominantly whites) like to brag that we can spot "the Anglos" (English Canadians, also predominantly white) on sight. Like there's a sort of racial dimorphism at play that makes you say "Yeah, that one's an Anglo." There isn't, of course, but this still does qualify as cultural racism. I'd use the term "culturalism" to distinguish it from hardcore racial discrimination, but it feels hackneyed.

From my genetics down to my culture, I'm part of the French Canadian "race". Disparaging on Anglophones - no matter how white they may be - should also be akin to racism.

Considering, Bahar Mustafa's logic doesn't hold water at all. It's Tumblr-level sophistry along the lines of the twentysomethings taking to that blogging platform and going "ALL MEN ARE SCUM!"

 

[RaikuFA]

https://www.change.org/p/goldsmiths-college-and-beyond-open-letter-in-solidarity-with-bahar-mustafa-welfare-and-diversity-officer-goldsmiths

Her side of the story. My head started hurting after the first paragraph.

 

[Silvanus]

Er...no. I'm pretty sure the petitioner is claiming that "#killallwhitemen" (mentioned in the petition), which she used and helped to propagate, is in breach of the 2006 Terrorism Act under section 1 "Encouragement of Terrorism". Which is something you'd have to take into a court of law to argue against because frankly I think that case could go either way. Having actually read that act one could easily argue that she's in breach of it for the following:

(2)A person commits an offence if-

(a)he publishes a statement to which this section applies or causes another to publish such a statement; and

(b)at the time he publishes it or causes it to be published, he-

(ii)is reckless as to whether members of the public will be directly or indirectly encouraged or otherwise induced by the statement to commit, prepare or instigate such acts or offences.

Source: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/11/section/1

Point 5 notes that it doesn't matter whether or not an offence was actually committed and I think she'd have a hell of a time trying to argue that the statement "didn't have her endorsement" (point 6) since she was trying to propagate it.

The hashtag is literally an encouragement of mass murder in an attempt to strike fear into a group of people. So effectively terrorism. Her defence of it appears to be "but its just a joke" which is basically no defence at all.

The case would not go either way; it would never even get to the Court stage, and if it were to do so, it would (almost) certainly only go one way. This would constitute a gigantic departure from how the Terrorism Act is practiced.

If we're going by a literal reading of the word of the Act, then you could equally make a case for a million other instances of idle hyperbole, ranging from playground threats to graffiti. The Act is used for ones which constitute a legitimate threat of some kind, which this does not.

Hate speech is not acceptable. Neither is encouraging people to murder others. Regardless of whether you claim "its just a joke".

Agreed.

I believe she called herself that in the video in post 26, and if she didn't she does expout the views which define cultural Marxism.

Oh, if she does, then I'll be quiet. I gave up on watching that video for reasons which should be obvious.

 

[Zontar]

Oh, if she does, then I'll be quiet. I gave up on watching that video for reasons which should be obvious.

Oh yeah, it's a real hard watch, I had to stop it a few times the first time someone showed it to me.

 

[Depulcator]

I wonder what his name was. To be this angry at a group of people, I really wonder what he did to her to make her like this.

 

[BrokenTinker]

I'm flabbergasted by this. After years of believing the tumblr feminist was simply an over exaggeration caused by a poorly thought out medium of discussion and the anonymity of users, we've discovered a real life, flesh and blood example. Its all there - the inability for minorities to discriminate, the belief that your own group is allowed to 'joke' about assaulting or murdering or otherwise harming another group while maintaining they themselves cannot be criticized or attacked, the callous word play, the absolute lack of professional courtesy...

My God. Tumblr people are real.

On the plus side, if I'm reading this right, shes not a University employee, but simply a student appointed representative. If so, I imagine everyone in that school can merrily ignore everything she says and go about their business.

Still... my world is a sadder one now.

Greetings fellow disenfranchised human, it's like I get to meet myself from ~15 years ago. Before tumbler, we had to deal with these type of people at our little get togethers. It was to the point that the gatherings were destroyed by these ppls, most of us just moved on and assumed people will just ignore crazies like her. How wrong we were, they have taken over parts of education as well as things like feminism (that's what the gathering I was attending were about, ironically enough).

Look on the bright side, at least you didn't dedicate years of your life to fight for equality as a feminist only to have it hijacked, all the goals torn and shredded and be (figurative) stabbed by the next wave of people that claim to take up the cause. Relations and discussions between ppls from different walks of life were possible back then, not so much now. And if you think she's the only one, you would be sadly mistaken. At least people are waking up to these ppls bigotry~ Feminists went from trying to solve problems to becoming THE problem. All we can do is display their bigotry for all the world to see outside the media, since the media tends to be highly selective and even make shit up to match their narrative.

Caption: cor blimey, aye, blimey alright.

 

[IamLEAM1983]

I wonder what his name was. To be this angry at a group of people, I really wonder what he did to her to make her like this.

You'd be surprised. A lot of so-called Social Justice Warriors have led pampered lives. Reaching a college campus does different things to different people, and the late twenties to early thirties are part of the first ten or so years of actual sociopolitical involvement or interest, in most people.

If she's verging on thirty, still studying and still supported by her parents, she has spare time to devote on causes that appeal to her - along with a frustratingly available echo chamber that keeps feeding her negative and misinformed view of the world.

Ask just about anyone. Over-simplifying a problem in the company of like-minded people feels good. Damn good, even. You spend a couple years thinking that your picket-fencing rage and strawman arguments have the power to change the world, you graduate, you get your first serious job and are forced to work in the company of A-Grade Adults for the first time in your life; and then your little fantasies of violent, even genocidal stabs at equality or democracy crumble like sand castles in the tide, when faced with the pressures and compromises required of the Real World. You wind up chewing on the resentment and become a boring and sensible adult who maybe watches C-SPAN every once in a while to maybe reinvigorate the sense that you're looking at a room full of howler monkeys flinging poo at each other.

Or, at least, that's my perspective on the matter as a former postgrad student who's only grown more jaded by politics with age.

 

[BrokenTinker]

I wonder what his name was. To be this angry at a group of people, I really wonder what he did to her to make her like this.

You'd be surprised. A lot of so-called Social Justice Warriors have led pampered lives. Reaching a college campus does different things to different people, and the late twenties to early thirties are part of the first ten or so years of actual sociopolitical involvement or interest, in most people.

If she's verging on thirty, still studying and still supported by her parents, she has spare time to devote on causes that appeal to her - along with a frustratingly available echo chamber that keeps feeding her negative and misinformed view of the world.

Ask just about anyone. Over-simplifying a problem in the company of like-minded people feels good. Damn good, even. You spend a couple years thinking that your picket-fencing rage and strawman arguments have the power to change the world, you graduate, you get your first serious job and are forced to work in the company of A-Grade Adults for the first time in your life; and then your little fantasies of violent, even genocidal stabs at equality or democracy crumble like sand castles in the tide, when faced with the pressures and compromises required of the Real World. You wind up chewing on the resentment and become a boring and sensible adult who maybe watches C-SPAN every once in a while to maybe reinvigorate the sense that you're looking at a room full of howler monkeys flinging poo at each other.

Or, at least, that's my perspective on the matter as a former postgrad student who's only grown more jaded by politics with age.

Indeed, you would be hardpressed to find anyone that's actually for equality and working for the betterment of humanity to be SJW. They'd be too busy working with NGOs or out there actually HELPING instead of being the slackavists that they are. How I'd love to bring some of these SJWs to do some farm and construction works for the poor and see them without their technology and comfort for a month.