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I'm not intimately familiar with the Silmarillion. I don't really play modern AAA games. I'm having trouble reading Game of Thrones (still on Clash of Kings, haven't gotten to the "red wedding", yet) and I don't really watch the show. When it comes to Pokemon, though I was a massive Pokemaniac when it first came out (I was 9-10-ish; once I even put some circle bandages on my cheeks because I wanted to be a Pikachu for a day), I'm only familiar with gen-1; I've never really played any of the other games, and stopped watching the show after Ash's initial go at the Pokemon Leagues. I'm very much a casual fan of Star Trek, and the only series I've seen all the way through was Next Generation. I have no knowledge whatsoever of Battlestar Galactica. I still haven't read the Wheel of Time books, I haven't seen many classic 80s fantasy (just Conan, Krull, and Deathstalker), I'm not familiar with the Star Wars expanded universe, I don't really read comics except a few one-shots that I really like, I'm only partially familiar with the rules of other tabletop RPGs besides Dungeons and Dragons (which I'm still kinda fuzzy on as well), and I REALLY SUCK at math (and by really suck, I mean that even though I'm 26 and a high-school graduate, I can't really do simple division by hand.) And I've only ever seen a few episodes of Dr. Who.

I've NEVER felt like I had to turn in my geek card.

I can program decently enough in C++, being half self-taught, half junior college-taught (though I still have trouble with arrays and STL containers, but only because I've not yet felt the need to use them in personal projects; I can quickly learn them once I need them.) I'm very intimately familiar with the Sonic franchise pre-Adventure, having played or at least become familiar (via the early post-dotcom crash web) with games even many other Sonic fans have never heard of (in his Sonic Generations review, Yahtzee wondered what kind of fan would be asking for a return of Charmie the Bee... that's nothing; I've been hoping for a return of Ray the Flying Squirrel for over a decade). I own 14 game consoles, most of which I bought just for the sake of having them. I own a Commodore 64 (that doesn't really work and I have absolutely no software for it), and one of my dream-computers is an Apple II. I'm primarily a Linux user who spends a lot of time in the command line, even going so far as to installing Ubuntu Server (currently 13.10; I keep it up to date) on an old computer just so I could have a CLI-only work-only machine that didn't suck like MS-DOS does (it's even set up with an old CRT monitor configured to display entirely in green, and late 90s white Dell keyboard). Heck, I actually prefer programming in the command line to using an IDE. I intend to learn both x86 and x64 assembly intimately, along with HLA (if that ever gets an x64 release) and perhaps even 6502 assembly, the language used for 2600, C64, and NES games. I want to explore the released Metroid source code.

...and I'm not gonna lie, I kinda want an Altair 8800.

Geekery is obsession with a particular topic, typically (though not always) to the point of having far more knowledge of that topic than most people. As a result, a geek may have mountains of knowledge of one topic, while only having peripheral knowledge of another topic typically associated with geekery.

Spiritofpower said:
I've never read the Lord of the Rings trilogy. The movies? Great, some of my favorite fantasy films ever, but the books? I tried, but I just could not get past Tolkien's painfully stuffy and boring style. I've read The Hobbit, mind you, so I know Tolkien can write something more engaging than LotR, but for some reason he decided to make the things a chore to read, instead of making them an engaging read that keeps you hooked and wanting more.

I just do not understand why those books are so popular.
TURN IN YOUR GEEK CARD NOW!!!

Kidding aside, I totally understand. The rule for those books that I've always found when trying to reread them (and I still haven't successfully reread the entire thing), is that once you get past the Council of Elrond, it starts to pick up from there (only to run right into a screeching halt again after the Ring is destroyed). I, personally, love the story, but yes, LotR is not a terribly well-written book except when he's talking about the landscape and history (so if you're looking for a character piece like the movie making-of documentaries say the book is, you're going to be sorely disappointed; the character dialogue is awkward at its best, and I don't remember most of their characterizations being more than 2-dimensional). I think it only got popular because it struck some kind of cord with the 60s youth (it was published in the mid-50s, but didn't get popular until sometime in the 60s).

I think LotR is kind of in the same league as Dune (except for the obvious fact that the Dune movie legitimately does SUUUUUUUUUUUCK. Sorry, Dune movie fans, but I couldn't watch it, it was so dull and full of indecipherable jargon.) It's a very popular book in a semi-niche genre that is, itself, interesting enough in its subject matter, but with an execution of questionable and debatable quality. (...and I also haven't read Dune beyond the first few chapters, by the way.)

Side note, for anyone aspiring to be a creator in science fiction or fantasy, take heed of Yahtzee's Kingdoms of Amalur review and keep jargon to an absolute minimum. Whatever you think of A Song of Ice and Fire, that's something that George R.R. Martin got absolutely perfect by using familiar English names for most of the characters (albeit with archaic spellings) and English words for places in WESToros. (So I don't care if you hate the books or the show, they're absolutely required reading for anyone wanting to write fantasy novels.)
 

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Spiritofpower said:
I've never read the Lord of the Rings trilogy. The movies? Great, some of my favorite fantasy films ever, but the books? I tried, but I just could not get past Tolkien's painfully stuffy and boring style. I've read The Hobbit, mind you, so I know Tolkien can write something more engaging than LotR, but for some reason he decided to make the things a chore to read, instead of making them an engaging read that keeps you hooked and wanting more.

I just do not understand why those books are so popular.
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Riverwolf said:
As the resident Tolkien cultist I feel compelled to reply, but do please realise that I fully understand that Tolkien's not for everyone and I'm not thinking I can somehow make you like him or anything :p

The trouble with a lot of people's expectations of Tolkien is that they (reasonably) expect him to be a novelist. He wasn't. He was an academic who studied Old English literature and linguistics, and Middle Earth/Arda was a vehicle for his world-building, languages and attempts to create a mythology for England, not for "fantasy novels" as we understand them. He was actually baffled by the commercial success of LOTR - the book he was most interested in and put most effort into was The Silmarillion, which, if you think LOTR is dry... well, it reads more like a cross between the Bible and an epic poem than a fantasy novel (it's also my favourite book of all time. Told you I was odd).

The reason The Hobbit is different is because it's a children's story he made up to tell his kids at bedtime. He didn't even decide it took place in the same world as LOTR/The Silmarillion/The Histories of Middle Earth until much later - he had to go back and alter the bit with Gollum and the ring in a later edition to make it fit in better with LOTR.

Hope that maybe explains things a bit, anyway.
 

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i've never watched the entire series of Star Trek (Original) or Next Generation, only caught what came on TV, but i've seen all of Voyager and love it better then the rest...

I've only played 'Link's Awakening' of the Zelda series... liked it but don't think its that amazing...

played Mario games but never got into enough to beat them... it got really boring really quickly in my opinion... plus the plots made like no sense .-.

i watched Babylon 5 as a kid... don't remember any of it except those shadow-spider things .-.

I know what Shadow Raiders and Captain Simion and the Space Monkies are... never watched original Transformers, GI Joe, He-man, or any of those other weird hanah barbara cartoons... they made no sense to me...

the only thing i know about Space Ghost is coast-to-coast :3

i like Star Wars Episode 1 better then all the other ones... they didn't impress me .-.

i have extensive knowledge of random/weird animes prior to 2000... haven't really watched anything 'new' in a while as nothing's been that interesting... or gotten progressively stupid -.-

i don't know nearly enough about comics as i'd like... but more then enough to make people think i do :3

i've read all of Clive Barker's books, Aliens series books (even the horrible 'new' ones), Starship Troopers, Ender's Game, etc. but i've never read the all-time geek 'classics' like LoTR, ASoFaI, Dune series or even all the Harry Potter books... .-. they got a might boring after awhile or are just poorly written in my opinion...

i've seen Blade Runner, Logan's Run, and Island City... sadly never got around to the one with Soylent Green :3

suppose i'm not so much 'classic' geek, or nerd, or whatever general large group populace considers 'geek' by knowledge base... i just know random things, and lots of them~ XD

and omg, that pokemon trick with the truck... HAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA....
 

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Alright...

Though I'm a gamer who uses a PC, I'm about as far from being a tech enthusiast as I can get. I didn't build my PC, and I'm totally satisfied with it.

Also, why is it that people always think 'Marvel/DC' when 'comic books' are mentioned? can't 2000AD or something get in on this?
 

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Eamar said:
Spiritofpower said:
I've never read the Lord of the Rings trilogy. The movies? Great, some of my favorite fantasy films ever, but the books? I tried, but I just could not get past Tolkien's painfully stuffy and boring style. I've read The Hobbit, mind you, so I know Tolkien can write something more engaging than LotR, but for some reason he decided to make the things a chore to read, instead of making them an engaging read that keeps you hooked and wanting more.

I just do not understand why those books are so popular.
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Riverwolf said:
As the resident Tolkien cultist I feel compelled to reply, but do please realise that I fully understand that Tolkien's not for everyone and I'm not thinking I can somehow make you like him or anything :p

The trouble with a lot of people's expectations of Tolkien is that they (reasonably) expect him to be a novelist. He wasn't. He was an academic who studied Old English literature and linguistics, and Middle Earth/Arda was a vehicle for his world-building, languages and attempts to create a mythology for England, not for "fantasy novels" as we understand them. He was actually baffled by the commercial success of LOTR - the book he was most interested in and put most effort into was The Silmarillion, which, if you think LOTR is dry... well, it reads more like a cross between the Bible and an epic poem than a fantasy novel (it's also my favourite book of all time. Told you I was odd).

The reason The Hobbit is different is because it's a children's story he made up to tell his kids at bedtime. He didn't even decide it took place in the same world as LOTR/The Silmarillion/The Histories of Middle Earth until much later - he had to go back and alter the bit with Gollum and the ring in a later edition to make it fit in better with LOTR.

Hope that maybe explains things a bit, anyway.
Oh, I already knew all that (in fact, I was going to bring it up, but decided not to since it doesn't really excuse the book's bloatedness, and my post was already a bloated essay of its own). Incidentally, though I've not read the entire Silmarillion, I think Ainulindale is the single greatest creation story EVER!!

I may have given the wrong impression, though. I love Tolkien. I love what he did and what he wrote. Lord of the Rings may be crud as a fantasy novel, but as a fantasy history, it's a priceless gem.

Besides, he didn't study Anglo-Saxon language, literature, and culture. He taught it. It was what got him up in the morning, what he would spend virtually all hours thinking about, and likely what he would bore his family about at the dinner table (I'm kidding on that last one; I don't know anything about his family life other than he loved them above all else.) Some of his other works inspired by this love are now being published post-mortem, such as a retelling of the Norse legend of Sigurd the Dragon Slayer, and an unfinished King Arthur epic.

At one point, I'm aware that he pointed out that by the time LotR was finished, he'd long lost the ambition to create a new mythology for England, which he had wanted to do since the old mythology was slowly being eroded after Anglo-Saxon England became Christian, and pretty much died altogether after the Norman conquest (now all that remains of whatever that mythology might have been is what can be pieced together based on pan-Celto-Germanic mythology and what little can be gleaned from the old records, English folk songs, local legends and folklore, archeology, and bits of what survives in modern English such as the days of the week... yeah, I'm a bit of a mythology geek, too).

The great irony is, therefore, that his books are regarded as the place where modern Anglo-American fantasy (which can rightly be called a mythology at this point) was born.
 

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I saw the movie, Star Trek: Into the Darkness and I enjoyed it, and didn't notice any of the flaws that everyone else mentioned about it afterwards. Also, I had to go on Google to make sure I got this title right.
 

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I have never watched Doctor Who or Predator?. While I plan to watch the latter, I'm not sure about the former. I don't know where to start or how to understand the whole series.
Doctor Who is popular in part because it's at it's heart pretty simplistic, despite the amount of depth that can be behind it if you look. I'd recommend simply checking out the "new" series starting with the first season on Netflix. Sure there are some things from the previous BBC series that wind up being referenced, but it gradually introduces everything you need to know.

Predator is okay, and has aged surprisingly well. Arnie and James Cameron were quite the team back in the day. :)
 

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I felt ashamed when I misquoted Han Solo in Episode V when he greets Luke after he was in the bacta tank by saying "You look like you could pull the ears off a gundark." For the longest time, I had always thought he had said "You look like you could pull the ears off a GUNDAR." I was corrected by a fellow geek during our yearly saga marathon.
 

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For over 20 years I thought that one of Red Dwarf's vending machines was supplying Cat with "Trout ala Greque".

A month ago I was informed, with proof, that it was "Trout ala Creme".

How the jumping monkey-fuck can I have watched that episode a gabillion times and not ONCE did I twig?
 

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I really can't stand sci-fi, including Star Wars. Fantasy puts me to sleep. I enjoy anime and JRPGs as much as I enjoy rat poison on my Baskin Robbins cookies & cream (the boogley eyes make me wretch). My shelves don't contain any figurines or collector's edition knick-knacks.

Pokemon and Power Rangers were popular when I was in high school, so I wasn't (and am still not) into them. TMNT was jr. high, but they were hardly a blip on my radar because that's when I started collecting music. I recently tried to watch some of it to see what all the fuss was about. Needless to say, it did nothing for me.

I haven't seen an episode of Dr. Who since 1983. My brother played some of the new ones at Christmas this past year and it elicited nothing but yawns from me. I DID really like Warehouse 13 though. ;) Probably because I'm a huge history buff.

My geekdom lies mostly in video games and record collecting. Most of it is '70s UK punk, new wave, prog rock, a whole lot of '60s, and also '90s britpop (in which I kind of include Saint Etienne, though they may be more dance).

If Britcom counts, then put me in that camp too. ;) Monty Python, Blackadder, The Young Ones, Father Ted, Are You Being Served, Fawlty Towers, Keeping Up Appearances, etc.
 

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Riverwolf said:
extensive Tolkien knowledge
You. I like you. *high five*

Apologies for preaching to the choir :p
 

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Never. There are things I don't know but the things I'm most geeky about I tend to know my shit or admit my limitations.

Also, I don't wave it around like a flag nor do I bash someone over the head with it... unless the person is trying to bash myself or someone else over the head with it. Then I smite their lack of knowledge.
 

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I have never played a Legend of Zelda game not because I hate the series or anything like that they are just not on my radar for some reason.

I find Joss Whedon to be hit or miss and his ability to write females characters to exaggerated and his is never consistent shape.

I have not watched nor read Game of Thrones in fact I find most mature fantasy to just be fantasy with some sodomy and call it a day I still Redwall from time to time my favorite fantasy series ever.

You won't catch me ever trying to build a PC or anything like that.

While I am a fan of table top war games table top rpgs like DnD while fun I am spoiled by computer where the math is done for me or simplified.

Also in high school I was on the football team and for the first 2 years I started and to this day I go into detail about how american football can be broken down into a turned based rpg.
 

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I've never played a Legend Of Zelda game.
I've never seen any of The Lord Of The Rings movies.
I haven't watched Star Trek, Battlestar, or Firefly.

That's about all I can think of.
 

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I'm having a video card issue whenever I plug in a USB hub or printer. No matter how much I research. I'm terrible with computers

My dad watch star trek tng all the time when I was young. I think its a pitiful attempt at any story telling or developing characters. I do like ds9 though

Also I can't see how anyone could think Pacific Rim was a good movie. It wasn't even decent or bad. It was just boring
 

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Eamar said:
the book he was most interested in and put most effort into was The Silmarillion, which, if you think LOTR is dry... well, it reads more like a cross between the Bible and an epic poem than a fantasy novel (it's also my favourite book of all time. Told you I was odd).
I fucking love Tolkien, love LOTR and the Hobbit.

To this day I have been unable to finish Silmarillion (or Children of Hurin, for that matter). I enjoy a rich, well thought out back story, and I genuinely want to find that shit out - but my job revolves around gathering and analysing information, and in my spare time I simply don't have the effort in me to commit endless lists of names and foreign words to memory (that is literally a large part of my day job).

That said, I do love the fact that it's out there, that the whole world has been so meticulously created and written down, and I have full respect for anybody who genuinely enjoys the fruits of that work. Too many popular fictional worlds have no effort put into their creation and it kinda irritates me (admittedly, for no good reason other than I'm a bit of a pedant).


So, yeah that's one count - I call myself a Tolkien fan and yet struggle with his most thought-out works.

Another count is as a gamer - I very rarely actually buy games these days, I often find myself trying to vote with my wallet against things like day 1 paid DLC, always on DRM, and the existence of EA in general, to the point that the last game I actually bought was South Park Stick of Truth, and before that it was XCOM Enemy Unknown. That's how infrequently I actually go out and buy games.

That said, I feel I do claw a little bit of gamer respectability back with the fact that my PS1, PS2 and Xbox are all currently plugged in and ready to play, as I've been going back and revisiting some old favourites recently - Final Fantasies VII, VIII, IX and X, Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2, Battlefront 2, Gran Turismo, Tenchu Stealth Assassins, etc. etc. etc.

Finally: Star Trek and Dr. Who. Fuck both those things. They're so ridiculously overrated it's unbelievable... Yeah, I'll just hand in my card, decoder ring, badge and gun now...
 

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I watch sports on a regular basis.

I'm a monster.
 

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lax4life said:
I watch sports on a regular basis.

I'm a monster.

Baseball isn't a real sport. Silly American. Besides, nothing with that number of unintelligible acronyms and numbers could possibly be considered non-geeky.
 

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I play all my games on easy mode. I hate dying all the time and I just want to experience the game, so why wouldn't I?

I dislike competitive multiplayer. Most games are full of angry people that are better than me, so I just stick to co-op.

My first console that I seriously got into was the PlayStation 3.

I have zero interest in classic games (read: anything pre-N64)

James Vega is an interesting and complex character who is woefully underrated.

Miranda Lawson is a boring and uninteresting character who is woefully overrated.

Dr. Who is okay.

I like seasons 8 and 9 of The Office.

The Hobbit movies are fantastic and get way too much hate.

BioShock Infinite wasn't too violent.

Batman: Arkham City was a serious downgrade from Arkham Asylum.

Injustice: Gods Among Us is a terrible game that false advertised.

Mass Effect 1 is a good game dragged down by awful gameplay and controls.

Mass Effect 3 is the best in the series.

The only thing I didn't like about the ending was the fact that the Catalyst decided to appear as the child. Other than that it was fine.