Plot Holes [Possible Spoilers!]

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What I always wondered was in Deathnote when Mikami comes at the end and finishes the series, why'd he come in the first place? Did Light tell him to, I don't remember him being told about the meeting. How did everyone know Mikami was gonna arrive.

because mikami had to see them to kill them and near and light both knew this

So did Near control Mikami to come, or did Light tell him to come? Because he can't have just known about Near at all.

 

[Mr.logic]

What I always wondered was in Deathnote when Mikami comes at the end and finishes the series, why'd he come in the first place? Did Light tell him to, I don't remember him being told about the meeting. How did everyone know Mikami was gonna arrive.

because mikami had to see them to kill them and near and light both knew this

So did Near control Mikami to come, or did Light tell him to come? Because he can't have just known about Near at all.

light told him about near.

 

[Gmano]

Hmm shall we start on 2012?

Yes, I think so.

Firstly, neutrinos do not interact with matter. It makes the entire premise of the movie irrelevant but that's just one of those things in Hollywood.

Secondly, the tidal wave was said to be 1500 meters high. Everest is 8000 meters high. How did the water get up there? Who knows?

Thirdly, where did all that water come from? It didn't drain straight away so it must be a solid body of water that is at least 6000 meters on top of the pre-disaster sea level. Lets not do the maths on that one, the volume of water just isn't on the earth.

Woo for 2012.

1. They made note of that (right near the beginning), claimed that the vast ammount of neutrinos were somehow forming a new particle or wave, which acted as a microwave.

2. The Continental drift would have lowered the height of the Himalayas, also, the wave didn't envelope everest, instead it went around the sides of most of it.

3. The ice caps would have been heated by the new particle/wave, then this new mass of water would be released by the large earthquakes.

It's not bulletproof, but they made attempts to explain it that made some form of sense.

 

[nezroy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yqVD0swvWU

Damn eagles too busy off cleaning their feathers for most of the story.

Wouldn't the eagles simply have been attacked by the wraithlords on their flying.. thingies?
Also, wouldn't the eagles also have been corrupted by the ring? I thought that hobbits were supposed to be espcially resistant to the ring. Yes they are corrupted by it over time, but the eagles would of been corrupted much, much quicker, delivering the ring straight to sauron.

The Ringwraiths were limping home slowly at the time. Also, since Frodo was carrying the Ring, he would be the only one being corrupted. Also, the corruption was a long and slow process that was sped up by fatigue, weakness, and proximity to Mordor. Since they only took 15 minutes to get there and they rode the whole way, the Ring wouldn't have had time to drive him crazy. It still would have been hard to drop it, but not impossible.

edit: I am SUCH a nerd.

Sauron had his personal magic, massive amounts of conventional forces (who can all hunt with bow and arrow), and many interesting, powerful, and dark creatures at his whim. Some of what is explicitly mentioned could arguably work equally well against flying intruders, such as the Two Watchers of Cirith Ungol. And there are many more dark powers alluded to but not elaborated upon. Even the Crebain of Saruman, in massed force, may have been a match against the eagles, and there is no reason to think that Sauron did not have equivalent creatures at his disposal.

In other words, it's sufficient to imagine that at least one of these tools would have been a match against the eagles, had they attempted to fly directly into Mordor. Remember that the full might of Sauron's forces are covering Mordor during this time, and his power is waxing. Yes, the wraiths are limping home, but they are not Sauron's only servants. The eagles are only able to fly into Mordor to rescue the hobbits after Sauron has been defeated, whatever magical barriers he had erected crumbled, and his servants and armies are fleeing the lands (after having already massed at the black gates and away from the interior of Mordor).

This doesn't even take into account the possibility of more political means, such as Sauron subverting some or most of the eagles to fight for him, or to at least remain neutral. Their allegiance is spotty and their politics aloof, based on what little we know of them from the source material.

 

[Tdc2182]

Twilight saga. Just... the whole saga.

How could so many teenage girls overlook all this stuff?

Not exactly a plot hole but an 18 year old falls in love with a three year old...so... yeah.

No no no, the whole thing IS a plot hole. How can the Vampires constantly change their identities? Why is there no sun AT ALL ever in that little city? Not to mention that Stephene Meyer pulls a deaus ex machina every third chapter, making even more plot holes. Confused!

I don't know, I've never read the books, I was just told that by my mom

 

[Sparecash]

I never understood why in District 9 the aliens were such wimps and never fought back against their human oppressors, despite the fact they had a gi-normous ship (which undoubtedly would be filled with totally awesome alien technology), far better weapons (despite looking like fancy Nerf guns), and they were extremely strong and agile - and there was apparently A QUARTER OF A MILLION OF THEM.

There is an answer to that, but unfortunately it just opens another holes

Spoiler

It is implied throughout the movie that just about every living prawn on earth was a "worker" or "drone", while the more intelligent aliens seemed to have died prior to the arrival on earth (with the exception of at least Christopher). For one thing, they may be just too "dumb" to use their weapons (although that is not likely, since you see prawns using human weapons and even one commanding one of the mechs).
More likely all the aliens are used to have a strict, insect-like chain of command, and as thier "leaders" died, they were very confused and frightened and pretty much unable to do a bit of thinking of their own, so they are easily ordered around by the seemingly helpful humans...

But i'd like to add a bit of my own theory

Spoiler

First off, as said, the Humans USED to be helpful and nice to the aliens at first. And since the aliens have no idea about anything regarding earth, they just know what the humans allowed them to see. And the aliens were probably too grateful and naive to start to think about how they can make themselves autonomous. So as the humans became more abusive, the aliens were pretty much completely dependent on their new Human Overlords (*g*)
And second, so yes, there are a quarter million aliens with awesome, powerful weapons. That still does not make them invincible. They don't have impenetrable shields or something, so the first thing the humans probably do when the aliens start to turn against them is to blow them away with a few bombers. Since the humans outnumber the aliens by far, and since the aliens are stored conveniently at one place, a "prawn resistance" would hardly survive for a month

In the beginning of the movie it explains how all the aliens were trapped because an important part of their ship broke off when coming to Earth. So when people cut them out of there ship, they were near death and in no shape to demand respect. When they were finally fed and sectioned off, they were still living off of scraps and all their guns (or at least most of them) had been taken. If i remember correctly, they didn't even have a lot of guns to begin with.
Then there were the African mobsters who often enslaved and took advantage of the aliens. The aliens had never dealt with humans before, so how could they know how to react. The constant beatings they took probably didn't help.

Also they were high off cat food most of the time. This might sound like a stupid reason, but if they were willing to sell a mech-robot-thing for some cat food, it must be pretty damn addicting.

 

[Tdc2182]

For example, I don't understand fully why Shepard betrayed Task Force 141 in CoDMW2. I know it was to increase recruits and nationalism, but why did he kill British soldiers?

Can someone explain this to me?

Spoiler

Shepard was behind the whole fiasco: he leaked the intel on the undercover operative in the mission 'No Russian' (airport shooting), he was the mastermind who laid the groundwork for the war and provided the opening spark. Task Force 141 was getting close to uncovering this, and in fact did (albeit around 5 minutes too late). Shepard could not allow the knowledge of his actions, along with the necessary proof, to reach the ears of any high-ranking officer: that would have screwed over his entire plan, as he would not have become the praised war-hero. The fastest and easiest way for Shepard that guaranteed the USA high-command would never hear of his duplicity was to kill off the members of Task Force 141 the way he did: go in, execute them, make up a story of coming in too late to save them, say a few nice words and everyone will say they are sorry you just lost such a good bunch of soldiers.

Thank you, I have been wondering that.

Spoiler

So your saying that shepard planned the No Russian mission and made sure that allen got killed to start the war?

here's a new hole in the patch of the hole:

Spoiler: MW2 spoiler

why was he, a man whom's main force was annihilated in the blink of a eye, something that could easily (and did) warp one's mind even put in charge of the two most badass BRITISH soldiers evar whom failed by a short period of time to give intel that would have saved HIS men...
and really, why would be become the national hero? wouldn't the commander of the national guard shine here, or more likely, the brave commander(s) whom would have rose above and beyond the call of duty in the extraordinary situation..?
he couldn't be any more a hero than Teddy Roosevelt...shit, wait, teddy's fucking badass though, Sheppard's got nothing on him.

I don't think he let it show that he was crazy, except his men thought he didn't care about danger. History remembers the leaders (troy) more than th men who made a difference.

But that is interesting to think that the two people who didn't get the intel in time were put under his command. Maybe thats another reason why he betrayed them.

 

[nezroy]

Since this is the best thought out of the freaking 5 responses I got to my D-9 comment, I'll respond to this one (wow, people love that movie). Alright, I suppose I can accept your explanation, but then that would just change my opinion from this being a "plot hole" to just being a pretty shitty story, and then my biggest question would be how did all the intelligent aliens die? But my biggest problem I have with that response is that so many people praise D-9 because of its "deeper meaning" and social commentary on apartheid - and how is this conveyed? By using a bunch of idiotic alien drones as the substitute for the actual human beings who suffered in the past. Wow, how profound.

Which is why the best way to think of it is to simply accept that the aliens are normal, intelligent creatures, and then turn your question on its head and ask why the "plot hole" exists in real life that so many rational, intelligent humans put up with horrific conditions in refugee camps throughout history, and rarely rise up in organized resistance to overthrow their "oppressors"? The very fact that you used the word oppressor there is an indication that you may be missing important elements of the D-9 story.

Also, to counter the idea that the aliens had access to advanced technology, whereas modern human refugees don't, remember that all of their technology requires a power source that they no longer have ready access to. Many of the weapons would have worked for a short time, but once out of fuel/energy/ammo, what then? Any alien belligerence would have been a very short-lived movement, in other words.

 

[SonicKoala]

Since this is the best thought out of the freaking 5 responses I got to my D-9 comment, I'll respond to this one (wow, people love that movie). Alright, I suppose I can accept your explanation, but then that would just change my opinion from this being a "plot hole" to just being a pretty shitty story, and then my biggest question would be how did all the intelligent aliens die? But my biggest problem I have with that response is that so many people praise D-9 because of its "deeper meaning" and social commentary on apartheid - and how is this conveyed? By using a bunch of idiotic alien drones as the substitute for the actual human beings who suffered in the past. Wow, how profound.

Which is why the best way to think of it is to simply accept that the aliens are normal, intelligent creatures, and then turn your question on its head and ask why the "plot hole" exists in real life that so many rational, intelligent humans put up with horrific conditions in refugee camps throughout history, and rarely rise up in organized resistance to overthrow their "oppressors"? The very fact that you used the word oppressor there is an indication that you may be missing important elements of the D-9 story.

Also, to counter the idea that the aliens had access to advanced technology, whereas modern human refugees don't, remember that all of their technology requires a power source that they no longer have ready access to. Many of the weapons would have worked for a short time, but once out of fuel/energy/ammo, what then? Any alien belligerence would have been a very short-lived movement, in other words.

Alright, so it isn't that big of a plot-hole.... i guess, kinda sorta. I still don't like the movie though, but I suppose that's beside the point =D

 

[nezroy]

Alright, so it isn't that big of a plot-hole.... i guess, kinda sorta. I still don't like the movie though, but I suppose that's beside the point =D

Yeah... honestly, neither did I It started OK but really kind of fizzled out I thought...

 

[The_Healer]

1. They made note of that (right near the beginning), claimed that the vast ammount of neutrinos were somehow forming a new particle or wave, which acted as a microwave.

Yes but even that didn't make sense. If they were heating the liquid core of the earth which is very very dense, what stopped them from just cooking all the people or evaporating the oceans which later caused so much destruction?

2. The Continental drift would have lowered the height of the Himalayas, also, the wave didn't envelope everest, instead it went around the sides of most of it.

Would it? There was no evidence given of continental expansion, which a flattening of the mountains would no doubt cause. Rather just a continental shift was shown. Regardless, the distinguishable base of Everest is already at 5000 meters which is already well above the span of the water.

3. The ice caps would have been heated by the new particle/wave, then this new mass of water would be released by the large earthquakes.

Yes I accept that there would be more water but there is not that much more frozen in icecaps. Gotta remember that water expands when it freezes as well.