Point and laugh at unworthy plot moments in games.

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CmdrGoob

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Let's all point and laugh at our favorite laughable plot moments from games, like gaping plot holes, lazy plot devices or obvious deus ex machina. Needless to say, there will be spoilers.

Half Life 2: Even the best game ever isn't safe: in the last chapter, the plot demands that Gordon Freeman gets captured. Did the writers have any good ideas for making this happen? No. Very no. The best they could come up with to connect the dots between 'Gordon kicks arse' to 'Gordon gets captured' is to have him voluntarily get into device for holding prisoners. Twice. Here's an idea Mr PhD smarty pants: Why don't you not do that? Maybe you should just hold onto the back of it, instead, so you can actually get off of it?

Fallout 3: Making fun of this is too easy. You've reached the very end, and you have to activate a panel in a control room full of deadly radiation, choosing to either sacrifice yourself (in an obvious attempt to make you a Christ figure) or cowardly sacrificing someone else. Except there are no less than 3 possible people you might be with you who are totally radiation immune who could do it without any problem. One of them is virtually impossible to miss following the main plot. Less than a couple of hours ago they probably just offered to use their radiation immunity to walk into a room full of radiation to retrieve the GECK. But now they won't now because that would ruin the forced ending umm they don't feel like it. It's destiny, baby!

Fable: This had one long ingeniously lazy plot device: the Heroes Guild. Or more like the Plot Advancement Guild. What exactly is the Heroes Guild anyway, if not a bland plot device to keep the plot moving? Let's compare it to Oblivion: guilds give you quests, and you have good guilds and evil guilds and guilds for stealing things for profit or for studying and using magic and so on. They have purposes of their own that actually make sense. In Fable? Too hard. Let's just roll it all up into one generic guild and make its primary purpose seemingly to tell the hero where to go next and give them their choice of quests on cards to save on actually having to make them go out and talk to people. Whether you're pure as new snow or more power hungry and sociopathic than the Big Bad and no matter what your skills are, we're the guild for you! As long as you aren't the Big Bad, of course.
 

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In Final Fantasy 10, the first time I saw Seymour, I instantly thought "badguy." It was almost laughable when he turned out to be a badguy later on.
Though they did do a decent job of making me stop thinking that when he helps you fight that one fiend thing.
 

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Indigo_Dingo said:
I thought everyone was in agreement that Ocarina of Time is the best game ever, not Half Life 2, which makes it into the top 20.

Virtually everything they offer up as Volgins justification in Metal Gear Solid 3. Its so very stupid, its on a level approaching a 10 minute Bushism.
There was one thing that my friend and I wondered about Volgin. It may be a plot hole, albeit a small one, in MGS3. Snake literally says, "The RPG can't put a dent in that armor!" referring to the Shagohad.
Not much later, Volgin is able to punch through the armor to take control of it. I know he's super strong, but...wow! More powerful than a rocket launcher!
I like Volgin. I thought he was one of the best villains of the series.
 

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Or Final Fantasy 8: Gotta laugh at their plot twist attempt with the orphanage. At one point, the story goes 'Suprise! All of the characters important to the plot went to or ran one single orphanage, and then later went their different ways, all of them forgot about it (because of a mysteriously selective, handwavy plot device with limited further relevance to the plot the magic!), all got back together again, and then remembered!'. As a twist it's actually more like 'Suprise! The writers are retarded!'. Now that twist you'll probably see coming.

Edit: What made it even worse was that if they'd actually run with it a bit and made the characters lose more and more of their memories and identities as the plot continued, it could have been interesting and even poignant. But nope, it was just the deus ex machina to make one stupid 'twist' work and then that was pretty much it.
 

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Indigo_Dingo said:
PirateKing said:
Indigo_Dingo said:
I thought everyone was in agreement that Ocarina of Time is the best game ever, not Half Life 2, which makes it into the top 20.

Virtually everything they offer up as Volgins justification in Metal Gear Solid 3. Its so very stupid, its on a level approaching a 10 minute Bushism.
There was one thing that my friend and I wondered about Volgin. It may be a plot hole, albeit a small one, in MGS3. Snake literally says, "The RPG can't put a dent in that armor!" referring to the Shagohad.
Not much later, Volgin is able to punch through the armor to take control of it. I know he's super strong, but...wow! More powerful than a rocket launcher!
I like Volgin. I thought he was one of the best villains of the series.
The real question is, what poart of the Shagohad did he punch through? The armour on that thing is disigned around your conventional tanks, meaning the sides are nigh-on indestrutible, but the roof is weak.
That was the explanation we came up with too.
 

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First: What's Deus Ex Machina?
Second: I totally agree on the HL2 and Fallout 3 thing. I remember, when that BOS person was like "Oh, there's a lot of radiation, whoever goes in there will die," my first thought literally was "What about Fawkes?"
 

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orannis62 said:
What's Deus Ex Machina?
It's when God appears in machine form and gets the characters out of whatever predicament they're in by completely absurd means. When you've worked your characters into a corner with no way out, use Deus Ex Machina.

As for ridiculous moments: Metal Gear Solid 4, when Raiden first pops up. As cool as the scene is, it is so incredibly over the top that it actually contrasts with the tone that had been in place to that point. Also, any time when there's romance or bathroom humor feels either too sudden or out of place. Maybe it's because I haven't played the previous games.
 

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Zetona said:
orannis62 said:
What's Deus Ex Machina?
It's when God appears in machine form and gets the characters out of whatever predicament they're in by completely absurd means. When you've worked your characters into a corner with no way out, use Deus Ex Machina.

As for ridiculous moments: Metal Gear Solid 4, when Raiden first pops up. As cool as the scene is, it is so incredibly over the top that it actually contrasts with the tone that had been in place to that point. Also, any time when there's romance or bathroom humor feels either too sudden or out of place. Maybe it's because I haven't played the previous games.
Thanks. Hey, can Deus Ex Machina be the exact opposite, as in God personally appearing to make everything difficult?

Anyway, with the MGS thing, if you mean that scene with Johnny "having trouble" in the oil drum? yeah, that was out of place.
 

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Indigo_Dingo said:
I thought everyone was in agreement that Ocarina of Time is the best game ever, not Half Life 2, which makes it into the top 20.

Virtually everything they offer up as Volgins justification in Metal Gear Solid 3. Its so very stupid, its on a level approaching a 10 minute Bushism.
Not everyone here thinks anything from Nintendo is made of pure epic win...
 

Zetona

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orannis62 said:
Zetona said:
orannis62 said:
What's Deus Ex Machina?
It's when God appears in machine form and gets the characters out of whatever predicament they're in by completely absurd means. When you've worked your characters into a corner with no way out, use Deus Ex Machina.

As for ridiculous moments: Metal Gear Solid 4, when Raiden first pops up. As cool as the scene is, it is so incredibly over the top that it actually contrasts with the tone that had been in place to that point. Also, any time when there's romance or bathroom humor feels either too sudden or out of place. Maybe it's because I haven't played the previous games.
Thanks. Hey, can Deus Ex Machina be the exact opposite, as in God personally appearing to make everything difficult?

Anyway, with the MGS thing, if you mean that scene with Johnny "having trouble" in the oil drum? yeah, that was out of place.
DEM can take any form that bails a character out of an inescapable conundrum.

And yeah, it was enough to portray Johnny as an awkward and "green" recruit; they didn't have to include digestive problems. Something more subtle would have worked better. Though it does help show how his relationship with the other characters changes during the game.
 

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orannis62 said:
First: What's Deus Ex Machina?
Second: I totally agree on the HL2 and Fallout 3 thing. I remember, when that BOS person was like "Oh, there's a lot of radiation, whoever goes in there will die," my first thought literally was "What about Fawkes?"
A deus ex machina is some story contrivance used to provide a solution to something that's seemingly impossible to resolve, in some improbable or illogical way. Deus ex machina I beleive means 'god from the machine' which refers to ancient plays where sometimes a character playing a god would be lowered down onto the stage to sort things out. But it can be some contrived coincidence or illogically powerful machine or magic that does whatever the author says it should do to sort out the current mess they've written themselves into or similar things like that.
 

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And while we're on the topic of Johnny from MGS4, what about the time that he finally removes his mask and an uncharacteristically handsome dude is revealed? ...actually, that fits pretty well with the storyline, but it is still rather shocking.
 

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superpandaman said:
Danzorz said:
The entire plot of Resident Evil 4. Do I even need to elaborate?
Yes you do
The president's daughter has been kidnapped by Ganados. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the president's daughter?

Leon: Oh, shit. We've been infected by parasites. Wait, never mind. There's a randomly-placed machine here that will kill the parasites and get rid of the infection. (Deus Ex Machina at its finest) And it's just before the final boss fight.