Pokemon: Really running out of ideas

[lunavixen]

I think there have been both good and bad designs in every generation, and what a lot of people seem to be forgetting about Gen 1 (and 2) is that the designs back then HAD to be simple because of the low resolution of the Gameboy and GBC.

While some of the ideas for pokemon are getting harder and harder to believe, I think that might be because there are simply too many of them (well, how many are there now? I think it's approaching 700 if it's not there already). I pretty much stopped playing Pokemon after platinum (well, it's the last game I bought, I got White 2 with my 3DS XL).

 

[DudeistBelieve]

I just hate the ones that defy all logic.

Like they're all suppose to be animals right? Then what the fuck is a Magnamite? What this piece of bolts and screws just came to life one day?

 

[ElNeroDiablo]

I think there have been both good and bad designs in every generation, and what a lot of people seem to be forgetting about Gen 1 (and 2) is that the designs back then HAD to be simple because of the low resolution of the Gameboy and GBC.

While some of the ideas for pokemon are getting harder and harder to believe, I think that might be because there are simply too many of them (well, how many are there now? I think it's approaching 700 if it's not there already). I pretty much stopped playing Pokemon after platinum (well, it's the last game I bought, I got White 2 with my 3DS XL).

With Zygarde, the total is around 718 over all 6 generations combined ~so far~ as-of X&Y. Z or whatever else Gen6 throws at us could bump that even more (and looking at numbering Kalos Dex V. Nation Dex, I do see some hints at some currently unreleased Pokemon, with the gaps and jumps in number batches in the Kalos Dexii).

Well either the double meaning of Pika was not lost on the person who named Pikachu or the name is slightly less imaginative than I thought. But having seen some Pika in Hokkaido I would think they were aware of it.

Pikachu's just a portmanteau of the noises for sparkle and squeak. Given several Pokémon were named this way, it's unlikely the double meaning is intended. Also, Pikachu doesn't really resemble the pika, which is additionally a lagomorph and not a rodent.

It seems unlikely is all I'm saying.

Additionally, the phonetics difference between Pika (the Lagomorph) & Pikapika/Pikachu, as Pika (Lagomorph) is pronounced more as Pai-ka (Pi, as in the Greek symbol and math constant) , whilst Pika as in Pikachu is pronounced more as Pee-ka (Pi as in words like "pick" and "pinch").

 

[seditary]

Why do so many people with this complaint bring up Klefki?

That's an awesome design for a keychain. I'd buy one in a heartbeat if they made it real.

Anyone actually carefully looked at it? It has a lock for its face, its a key itself as part of the keychain and all the keys on it are different and interesting.

 

[Luminous_Umbra]

To those of you claim Trubbish and Garbodor are "just garbage", allow me to offer a different theory [http://bogleech.com/pokemon/trash.html].

Also, as for Pokemon that are "just multiples of the first stuck together", at least the new ones add some design to the final form, unlike say, Magneton and Dugtrio.

 

[Epic_Bubble]

This is quite a subjective opinion, in my opinion. I personally like some of the new Pokemon released in the last two games. My favorite is Vivillion who has a different wing pattern depending on where you are geographically. If anything Pokemon X and Y has some of the best designs. However this is subjective and there going to be people that disagree.

Whats even better is they have become more creative when using the pokedex, no longer will it compare real life animals such as gen 3 ghastly entry "A being that exists as a thin gas. It can topple an Indian elephant by enveloping the prey in two seconds."

 

[bluepotatosack]

Man, you ain't giving Squirtle enough credit. It's a squirrel/turtle hybrid! That's why the tail!

I can't believe I didn't notice that about one of my favorite Pokemon of all time until now.

Blew my mind when the realization first struck (read:when somebody told me about it.)

 

[LegendaryVKickr]

Nope nope nope, I am not touching this particular topic with a ten foot pole. I do agree that Game Freak is running low in the ol' idea tank, and I do think a key ring and a garbage bag are not very good designs (the second one in particular being a reboot of Grimer, already argued as unoriginal) But you can't win the "Game Freak is out of ideas" When your sole argument is "look at these new dumb pokemon!" There's too many old dumb pokemon for this to be a valid argument.

There ARE valid arguments, but this is not one of them that will get you very far OP. Sorry.

EDIT: Also, I'm pretty sure you shouldn't mess with Daystar Clarion.

 

[Lunar Templar]

Ahem.
<spoiler=Bearded motherfucking T.rex><img src=http://th02.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2013/265/e/3/pokemon__tyrantrum_by_mark331-d6ncpps.jpg>
<spoiler=And Yveltal><img src=http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/063/7/6/yveltal_by_subway_raptor-d5wzj59.png>

'Nuff said.

^ my two favorite gen 6ers to.

and Tyrantrum is a fucking BEAST, the damage I've seen it deal o.0 it's awesome T-T

I would also like to add the other fossil pokemon from Gen 6

Spoiler: for being rather pretty

 

[SoranMBane]

Just because they came out with a few Pokemon that don't fit into your ideas of "cute" or "awesome," it doesn't mean that they're "running out of ideas". It just means that the creators of Pokemon have or are catering to people with different tastes than you. I personally love most of the more off-beat Pokemon designs. They're fun. You guys all remember fun, right? In fact, the only Pokemon I don't like are the ones I find boring, like Lucario, or most of the Eeveelutons released after the 2nd generation, and I don't even necessarily "hate" those Pokemon; they just bore me.

I just hate the ones that defy all logic.

Like they're all suppose to be animals right? Then what the fuck is a Magnamite? What this piece of bolts and screws just came to life one day?

No, Pokemon are supposed to be monsters (as in, you know, "pocket monsters"). Not only that, but they're monsters as imagined by the Japanese. Haunted or animate objects are a huge part of Japanese folklore, so it only makes sense that things like living trash bags, swords, and keychains would show up in Japanese media based around the existence of monsters. So, yes, a bunch of bolts and screws just magically came to life one day. It makes as much logical sense (and is just as much fun) as a tiny turtle-squirrel hybrid that can spray hundreds of gallons of water out of its body with no apparent source.

To those of you claim Trubbish and Garbodor are "just garbage", allow me to offer a different theory [http://bogleech.com/pokemon/trash.html].

And just reposting this link because anyone who thinks that Trubbish and Garbodor are somehow bad designs should probably read the article on the other side. They may just find themselves changing their minds about our favourite little trash monsters.

 

[DkLnBr]

While I agree that Pokemon like Trubbish are pretty poorly designed, and Stunfisk is probably my least favourite Pokemon ever, Gens V and VI have some great designs.

Pokemon like Haxorus, Zekrom, Pangoro, Greninja and of course Hawlucha (to name but a few) are really awesome designs.

And let's not pretend the early Gens don't have their fair share of stinkers. Voltorb is just a Pokeball with eyes, Oddish is just a blue radish with legs. And what the hell is Unown supposed to be?

Yeah. Pretty much this. Gen one has some of the lamest ones out there. They don't even pretend not to be animals. Beedrill? Seel? Don't nobody give a fuck about them.

Ya, and isn't Mr. Mime one of the regarded as one of the lamest pokemon out there? Also one of the least inspired. There's a Mime, he makes invisible walls or some shit. Lets make a caricature of him and call him "Mr. Mime". Gen 1 has really cool pokemon AND really lame ones, just like EVERY OTHER generation.

Just because they came out with a few Pokemon that don't fit into your ideas of "cute" or "awesome," it doesn't mean that they're "running out of ideas". It just means that the creators of Pokemon have or are catering to people with different tastes than you.

Hit it right on the nose, well said

 

[Asuka Soryu]

Oh, but a 6 pack of eggs and a Pokeball with eyes were just brilliant design?

Wait! Voltorb's evolving! -Voltorb rolls onto its back- It became an Electrode! Woah!

 

[DudeistBelieve]

Just because they came out with a few Pokemon that don't fit into your ideas of "cute" or "awesome," it doesn't mean that they're "running out of ideas". It just means that the creators of Pokemon have or are catering to people with different tastes than you. I personally love most of the more off-beat Pokemon designs. They're fun. You guys all remember fun, right? In fact, the only Pokemon I don't like are the ones I find boring, like Lucario, or most of the Eeveelutons released after the 2nd generation, and I don't even necessarily "hate" those Pokemon; they just bore me.

I just hate the ones that defy all logic.

Like they're all suppose to be animals right? Then what the fuck is a Magnamite? What this piece of bolts and screws just came to life one day?

No, Pokemon are supposed to be monsters (as in, you know, "pocket monsters"). Not only that, but they're monsters as imagined by the Japanese. Haunted or animate objects are a huge part of Japanese folklore, so it only makes sense that things like living trash bags, swords, and keychains would show up in Japanese media based around the existence of monsters. So, yes, a bunch of bolts and screws just magically came to life one day. It makes as much logical sense (and is just as much fun) as a tiny turtle-squirrel hybrid that can spray hundreds of gallons of water out of its body with no apparent source.

To those of you claim Trubbish and Garbodor are "just garbage", allow me to offer a different theory [http://bogleech.com/pokemon/trash.html].

And just reposting this link because anyone who thinks that Trubbish and Garbodor are somehow bad designs should probably read the article on the other side. They may just find themselves changing their minds about our favourite little trash monsters.

You sir, I call bullshit on. Friendly bullshit. I don't need another Warning on my healthbar.

They're treated as that worlds animals.

I mean in the Anime, in the game, we never see any other kind of creature.

 

[SoranMBane]

[SNIP]

You sir, I call bullshit on. Friendly bullshit. I don't need another Warning on my healthbar.

They're treated as that worlds animals.

I mean in the Anime, in the game, we never see any other kind of creature.

They're treated as that world's equivalent of animals, yes, but Pokemon is still fundamentally a fantasy series about magical monsters. It's just a fantasy series about magical monsters that happen to form a working ecology. How is a living creature that looks like or consists of an inanimate object any less acceptable in that setting than any of the other clearly magical and unnatural creatures that inhabit that world? Are Pokemon like Rattata, Pidgey, or Persian (the "biologically plausible" Pokemon) really the only ones you like?

 

[Megalodon]

Gen 1 had a racist stereotype,

Interesting video on that subject.

On topic: eh, haven't played far into Y yet, so while I haven't encountered many I like yet, that doesn't really mean anything, as I still have much of the game to go. For earlier gens, some good, some bad, I think there have been more bad ones in later games, but that might just be me being more ready to call bullshit now I'm older (like Vanillish, hate that one).

 

[Luminous_Umbra]

Just because they came out with a few Pokemon that don't fit into your ideas of "cute" or "awesome," it doesn't mean that they're "running out of ideas". It just means that the creators of Pokemon have or are catering to people with different tastes than you. I personally love most of the more off-beat Pokemon designs. They're fun. You guys all remember fun, right? In fact, the only Pokemon I don't like are the ones I find boring, like Lucario, or most of the Eeveelutons released after the 2nd generation, and I don't even necessarily "hate" those Pokemon; they just bore me.

I just hate the ones that defy all logic.

Like they're all suppose to be animals right? Then what the fuck is a Magnamite? What this piece of bolts and screws just came to life one day?

No, Pokemon are supposed to be monsters (as in, you know, "pocket monsters"). Not only that, but they're monsters as imagined by the Japanese. Haunted or animate objects are a huge part of Japanese folklore, so it only makes sense that things like living trash bags, swords, and keychains would show up in Japanese media based around the existence of monsters. So, yes, a bunch of bolts and screws just magically came to life one day. It makes as much logical sense (and is just as much fun) as a tiny turtle-squirrel hybrid that can spray hundreds of gallons of water out of its body with no apparent source.

To those of you claim Trubbish and Garbodor are "just garbage", allow me to offer a different theory [http://bogleech.com/pokemon/trash.html].

And just reposting this link because anyone who thinks that Trubbish and Garbodor are somehow bad designs should probably read the article on the other side. They may just find themselves changing their minds about our favourite little trash monsters.

You sir, I call bullshit on. Friendly bullshit. I don't need another Warning on my healthbar.

They're treated as that worlds animals.

I mean in the Anime, in the game, we never see any other kind of creature.

I would like to point to point out that had you read the link provided, you would find that a "garbage monster" isn't so crazy. Granted, not exactly like Garbodor or Trubbish, but that is a world where dogs breath fire, cicada shells eat souls, and acorns explode, so it's no more a stretch than anything else.

 

[runic knight]

All generations have crappy pokemon. I think the issue raised here is that later generations have more apparent ones. I will agree and disagree. Yes first gen has a lot of non-animal sort (magnetite, voltorb), though I think those were added to fill in type disparities. There were no almost no straight poison types in first gen that don't look like crap (muk, koffing) and a lack of electric types (thus need for fillers in magnemite, voltorb. Voltorb also fit the "mimic" enemy for the game) The humanoid ones of the first generation need to burn though.
Even still, I think a living dairy treat is a stretch too far, as while some object looking mon could be seen as evolving(no, not poke-volving, real evolution)from environment or mimicing for better surviving, or as a result of toxic sludge creation, or even as a result of ghostly possession, a living ice cream is just stupid. It can't even fit the idea of evolving the look of ice cream as a defensive mechanism as in trying to do so, it means they would just be eaten more.

Back on topic here though. While all generations have some poorly designed ones, I think later generations are worse for two reasons. First, the ice cream one as an example, the basis for them are less and less natural (for the poke-reality) and seem more like it was pulled out of someone's ass. While forgivable in some regards because of reasons explained above, it requires more of a stretch to explain them as anything besides "God decided to give life to this horrible monstrosity". The second reason is that every generation has the same two dozen or so pokemon being rehashed every time. Even ignoring the elemental starters, there is always new beginner bird and rat like enemies, overpowered trio/quartet legendaries, pikachu-like electro mouse mascot, excessive cute mascot and others. Hell, some of the ones people complain about so much are worse looking rehashes of older mon. Trubbish is a muk with a garbage bag exploded on it's head.

That is not to say the later generation are all bad at all, merely it feels with every generation, there is more and more apparent laziness to the new mon as well.

I don't want to go into the anthromophic designs many more pokemon seem to have taken with later generations. From essentially joke characters of mr. mime and Jynx, now starters have become very antromorphoized.

 

[Bernzz]

Yep, they certainly are running out of ideas.
Man, didn't you hate it when they had a bunch of balls with eyes and made them different Pokemon? So unoriginal, right?
Voltorb, Electrode, Gastly, Geodude, Graveler, Koffing, hell even Magnemite...
Oh wait, that was the first generation.

I, for one, think that Gen V and Gen VI had some motherfucking great designs.

Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of Hawlucha being the best Pokemon ever created.


Ever

Hawlucha for World President 2014.

 

[Dragonbums]

I just hate the ones that defy all logic.

Like they're all suppose to be animals right? Then what the fuck is a Magnamite? What this piece of bolts and screws just came to life one day?

Which is understandable. ( I mean, Voltorb. Come on) The problem most people have in this thread is that lately you have genwunners going on and on about how the same holy trinity of bad Pokemon Trubbish, Vanniluxe, and Klefki (formerly taken by Garbodor) and use that as a reason for bad designs like the holy grail of Generation 1 hasn't done that themselves.