Sorry to nitpick, but that's always been a bit of a misnomer. It is not the survival of the fittest, but of those who are the most capable of adaption. Not at all a comment on your post, and I agree with you, but getting that right is an important part of understanding evolution as a whole.
I'll stop now, before I derail this thread completely.
Actually, scratch that. Let's talk about mosquitos. I'll go first; I hate the bastards.
Surely this'll be a much more pleasant conversation than yet another evolutionary debate.
As a bit of a dickish Atheist and big Pokemon fan, I quite love this. I'll have to try it soon. First though, I'm going to attempt a 'Hardcore' Pokemon playthrough, after which I'll probably cry for a while and not touch the game for a good few months....
Again as I said above, the Joke might have tried to be more light hearted, but its really not. If you made a similar joke pertaining to homosexuals, and portrayed all homosexuals as the "sex in the city" flamboyant homosexuals it is virtually guaranteed to incur mod wrath. It simply would not be tolerated and would almost be viewed as Hate speech. That is the very definition of a double standard.
I'm sorry, but there's a big difference there. Being a certain race, being a certain gender, and (I know some disagree about this, but I'd rather not get into that) being a certain sexual orientation are not choices we make, it's who we are. Religion, on the other hand, is something you can willingly join or renounce and never look back. Yes, religion teaches good moral values, you can't disprove it, there are things science can never explain, yada, yada, yada, but the truth of the matter is that religion is no more factual or provable than a crazy superstition.
The same way you'd make fun of someone for, say, thinking that monsters live under their bed; atheists make fun of people for something that seems just as implausible to them. Is it a nice thing to do necessarily? No. Is it perfectly understandable? Yes. Can people deal with criticisms of their belief systems if they truly have a strong faith? Of course.
And no group is free of stupid stereotypes. As a vegan, I've heard "Hitler was a vegetarian" more times than you can count.
Sorry to nitpick, but that's always been a bit of a misnomer. It is not the survival of the fittest, but of those who are the most capable of adaption. Not at all a comment on your post, and I agree with you, but getting that right is an important part of understanding evolution as a whole.
I know. That point was meant to represent what I like to call "Troll Atheists". You know, the kind of "Actually, we should kill all short-sighted people" people, who usually don't know all that much about the science behind all of it themselves. The kind of people one should laugh about.
Why is everyone being so hateful of this? I find it hilarious! Typical Christian bullshit of giving so much shit to people but not being able to take it themselves. Keep at it OP no one ever got ahead in life without treading on a few toes.
Also the amount of hate on this site for christianity why would you only get angry at this? I smell obvious point scoring.
everyone being hatefull?! Am I reading a different thread to you? I'd say that around 10 percent of the posts have said they find the OP in bad taste or dissagree with it, and I haven't noticed any anger or hate in any of those.
I think where the problem lies is that it's quite ignorant of most Christian beliefs and just goes with a really bad stereotype. If you were to make a Muslim or Jewish playthrough based on such a bad stereotype the condemnation would be far greater and you probably would be banned for being racist. Yes as Christians we do develop thick skins very quickly and whilst a well thought out joke based on fact that pokes fun at us is welcome, something that gets our beliefs so wrong is what we object to.
As a christian (Catholic) I find this absolutely hilarious.
Not offended in any way in fact I am going to try this soon.
So youre a christian and this isnt how you act? WOW. He knows that, he's making fun of extreme orthodox christians and quite frankly so should you as they ruin the image of your religion.
Also I thought of a rule so this comment isn't a total rant.
You may not challenge gyms on sundays. It is the day of rest.
I love the idea! Anyone offended just shouldn't be. Its a bit of fun, and if you feel that your faith is shaken by this, it obviously wasn't too stable.
Ofcourse, if you're going the Daily Mail way and being offended for the sake of it, I quote Stephen Fry: "The phrase 'I'm offended' is bandied around far too much these days. Oh, you're offended? Well fucking done. It's not some sort of magic make-everything-I-don't-like-go-away phrase. Being offended is a normal part of every day life..."
...or something like that. Can't remember the exact wording.
Oh you bastard!
I've got 'cry me a river' in my head now!
OP: Bad taste.
But still sort of funny...
But don't be suprised if you get a warning/ suspension from this, i mean i got a warning for a ridiculous reason...
Disclaimer: /Bastard used sarcasticly and light-hearted.
Sorry to nitpick, but that's always been a bit of a misnomer. It is not the survival of the fittest, but of those who are the most capable of adaption. Not at all a comment on your post, and I agree with you, but getting that right is an important part of understanding evolution as a whole.
I know. That point was meant to represent what I like to call "Troll Atheists". You know, the kind of "Actually, we should kill all short-sighted people" people, who usually don't know all that much about the science behind all of it themselves. The kind of people one should laugh about.
Look I can take a joke, and personally I am not offended, because this doesnt offend my sensibilities at all. But no the second modification does not really change much of anything. Its basically sort of like calling someone an asshole to their face and then saying "JUST KIDDING"
Keep in mind, If this was just a random joke, yes it would be mostly harmless. However the problem is a cumulative effect when we see torrents of Atheists who like to rail, not on religion, but on Christianity and for some reason it is tolerated here.
The joke looses context when released into that sort of environment and moves from an attempt at levity to being basically mean spirited.
Except its not wise to assume things. Much like coming to the defense of the Christians who are offended, does not even make me a Christan in the first place. So using language such as "your group" or "your beliefs" does a lot to invalidate your argument because your participating in the perpetuation of negative stereotypes.
Invariably my point of posting more often than not is to run counter to whatever the pulse of a thread may be. I have played devils advocate on MANY topics and this is a case that is no different.
Again as I said above, the Joke might have tried to be more light hearted, but its really not. If you made a similar joke pertaining to homosexuals, and portrayed all homosexuals as the "sex in the city" flamboyant homosexuals it is virtually guaranteed to incur mod wrath. It simply would not be tolerated and would almost be viewed as Hate speech. That is the very definition of a double standard.
TL;DR
Now I have spoken my piece on the matter. Its understandable someone would find this offensive, however that is more to that effect because it is just another example of tolerated hate toward Christianity much more than it is the joke is insanely offensive, because it is at worst only barely mildly offensive.
Using "Your group", or "your beliefs"? What's the alternative? Unless I'm very much mistaken, you are a Christian[footnote]Because - please forgive this generalisation, but I've never found it to be false - but only Christians complain about being terribly discriminated against, despite being the most widely represented group in the world, and that being a complete falsehood. No one else sees them as being discriminated against, and again, please forgive the generalisation. I'm sure that there are exceptions, only that I've never even heard of one.
TL;DR: Not all Christians see themselves as being discriminated against, but only Christians see Christians as being discriminated against. That's my reasoning, essentially.[/footnote], and I simply use the word "your" to define the difference between my perspective and your own. I just could keep writing "Christian", but that gets repetitive after a while. I want to make that absolutely clear. There are no negative connotations to the word "your", I'm simply using it to distinguish perspective. Please forgive my assumption that you're Christian if you're not, but it is, to me, the most logical one to make.
Anyway, now that I've responded to that paragraph and been totally derailed, I'll try to press on.
Invariably my point of posting more often than not is to run counter to whatever the pulse of a thread may be. I have played devils advocate on MANY topics and this is a case that is no different.
Actually, screw it, diplomatic wording is tedious, so I'll ask you outright. Are you a Christian? No negative agenda here, I'm just trying to figure out where it is that you're coming from.
Again as I said above, the Joke might have tried to be more light hearted, but its really not. If you made a similar joke pertaining to homosexuals, and portrayed all homosexuals as the "sex in the city" flamboyant homosexuals it is virtually guaranteed to incur mod wrath. It simply would not be tolerated and would almost be viewed as Hate speech. That is the very definition of a double standard.
The double standard is disturbing, admittedly so. There is, however, a difference between poking fun and outright attacking someone's faith/sexual orientation/nationality/ethnicity/whatever I've missed, and it is, I believe, a clear and distinct one. Sexist jokes are a frequent occurrence, the word "gay" is frequently used in a derogatory manner to talk about, well, anything, and racist jokes abound. That's not ideal - not by a longshot - but it happens, and there's no harm intended. Generally, it's meant to be funny, and while sometimes it fails atrociously, there's no ill will behind it. The jokes can be offensive, true, but in the same way that people cracking jokes about Australians is annoying. It's not meant to be hurtful, and it's certainly not an attack.
That the generalisations are offensive? That's a stereotype, and literally everyone is a part of at least one.
Back to the double standard; mods, and society in general, deal more harshly with attacks on - or even, in some cases, jokes - about different ethnicities, genders or sexual orientations because there are incredibly unpleasant histories associated with them, whereas Christianity has been dominant for nearly two millennia.
That atheists seem to target Christianity directly? That's because the majority of the English speaking world is Christian dominated, and, as such, the atheists that grow up in said conditions are going to turn to Christianity for this sort of shit. Were you living in another part of the world in which freedom of religion was so broad, and another language was spoken, I can guarantee that the attacks on whatever the dominant religion amongst the language's speakers was would seem terribly unfair.
Haha, nice. And it sounds way more interesting than that nuzlocke or whatever it is thing where you can only catch one Pokémon per route.
I'd say do PETA rules for Pokémon next, but Black and White already did that: Team Plasma basically is PETA right up until the end. They hate people for "abusing" Pokémon and want to make everyone stop, but they spend most of their time not doing anything useful and instead doing the things they claim others shouldn't be doing [http://www.petakillsanimals.com/], which in Team Plasma's case is enslaving Pokémon and forcing them to battle.
Of course, the similarities stop at the end of the game where they magically sprout a castle from underground. ...Then again, maybe that is comparable to stupid shit like a porn site that randomly has dead animal pictures in it.
I'm sorry, but there's a big difference there. Being a certain race, being a certain gender, and (I know some disagree about this, but I'd rather not get into that) being a certain sexual orientation are not choices we make, it's who we are. Religion, on the other hand, is something you can willingly join or renounce and never look back. Yes, religion teaches good moral values, you can't disprove it, there are things science can never explain, yada, yada, yada, but the truth of the matter is that religion is no more factual or provable than a crazy superstition.
The same way you'd make fun of someone for, say, thinking that monsters live under their bed; atheists make fun of people for something that seems just as implausible to them. Is it a nice thing to do necessarily? No. Is it perfectly understandable? Yes. Can people deal with criticisms of their belief systems if they truly have a strong faith? Of course.
And no group is free of stupid stereotypes. As a vegan, I've heard "Hitler was a vegetarian" more times than you can count.
While I agree that it shouldn't be compared to homosexuality I disagree on the basis.
Religion is a part of who you are. It's something you grow up with your entire life. It shapes you. You can't renounce it and never look back (possible exception of lobotomy), it's a part of your life. You can't just join when you feel like it as if it's some user group, it's much deeper then that.
I'm not religious myself but I've met enough decent religious people to know that their religion is a deep and integral part of their identity.
What, in my opinion, separates offensive (as it would be if directed at Christians) from abusive (as it would be if directed at Homosexuals) is the larger picture.
The amount of both physical and verbal violence directed at homosexuals is many, many times that directed at Christians. Therefore things like this, even if jokingly, directed at homosexuals would be abusive.
While there's certainly a good amount of offensive material against Christians I do think that there's a real difference when comparing to homosexuals. I don't think I should somehow quantify it, that'll probably cause much more trouble. I do hope you get what I'm trying to say here. And because of that this is only offensive and not abusive.
i think you missunderstood the OP:
this is 2 things, first of all a very interisting gameplay challenge, just like many others!
and secondly a over the top expresion of opion of EXTREME chistianism in the form of satire.
americans, IMO, tend to be very sensitive, especialy when it comes to religion. its not offending on purpose.
and to the topic, ill try, but its really a challenge!
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