Police brutally beat a 15 year old girl

[DuncanRR]

Schene had asked her to remove her basketball shoes, and, as she slipped out of her left shoe, she appeared to kick it at Schene. ...He and the girl exchanged words. Brunner said she was "real lippy" after being informed she was under arrest and called them "fat pigs." ...In his own report from the incident, Schene wrote that the shoe hit him in the right shin, "causing injury and pain."

Big fucking whoop. That doesn't give you the right to punch someone after they've been subdued, and then drag them up to their feet by the hair. I say fire him and put him in prison.

 

[Avatar Roku]

God what a bunch of pussies this forum is made up of. Could we get any more left-wing and gay? Might as well put up the red flag and scream, "Fuck da Pohlice!" At least this community hasn't failed to once again show me what a bunch of whiny underage twats run around here. Not to mention most of them seem stuck in the 60s and 70s when being a far-left dick was the in thing now the new in thing is to be apathetic so get with the times or STFU.

I'm sorry, was there a point to this? Sorry, but making blanket, inflammatory statements like this strikes me as trolling. I recommend you edit to at least address a specific person or post, or explain your opinion. As it stands now, reported.

The point is all the whiny ass bullshit in this thread. I see you report me but don't bother with people making inflammatory remarks towards the police? Or saying fuck the police? Then consider it directed towards you because you are as much of the problem as the rest of these retards with their Che Guevara fist pumping bollocks.

The problem is that you make these blanket statements without backing it up. Fine, what they're saying is bad. But why? Give a reason, or you are just sending out meaningless insults.

But why what? Why is using blanket statements against the police ok but when I use it to a bunch of the retards on this forum wrong? Other then you are trolling? I just find it stupid that these people whine and cry about police brutality because of one instance and now it is fuck the police and police is corrupt, etc. Though I am the one required to back up what I say because of what I have observed through this whole stupid thread?

I admit, I didn't read through all of the thread, I read the first page or so and the last. If people were saying "Fuck the police" then they're just as bad. The fact is though, on this thread, with the evidence presented in the form of that video, they're going to naturally have more credibility. With them, you can say "why don't you like the police", and they can just respond "watch the video." You and other dissenters (not just in this thread, in general), on the other hand, have to make a more compelling case then "you're all whining retards." That's not an argument, that's just inflammatory.

Sorry but it would be a waste of time to even try to use logic with the likes of a lot of posters on this thread. That most of it has degenerated into a bunch of old 60's catchphrases and screaming and moaning about how all cops are evil and corrupt just shows a lack of maturity, understand of the law and law enforcement as well as just displaying a punk-like attitude. Most of these people obviously have natural problems with authority thus when an authority figure makes a possible mistake it is jump on the bandwagon and grab the pitchfork. They don't want logical counter-arguments they just want ideological masturbation in which everyone hates the man equally counter-points be damned.

As to why he was a troll? Because he brought up an age argument when it had nothing to do with the thread or anything I said. Also two years is not exactly trumping me in age department by any means. Also his use of oh but you don't know politics condescension was disgusting especially since I would bet I have been more involved in politics then he has been. I used to do a lot of stuff for the Communist Party, USA when I was younger before I matured my political views by doing a lot of reading and research. Yes I know I am coming off a bit trolly in this topic but I am seeing the same left-wing bollocks I used to use to do political spinning when pamphleting and stuff.

This is all I wanted. I'm not even saying I disagree with you (I do, but that's besides the point), just that you were coming across as a troll because you weren't giving your reasoning. You say that using logic would have been a waste of time, but you should either way. Then you have the highground, and if they don't listen, then at least you tried. Trolling (and the post I responded to first was trolling, make no mistake) doesn't solve anything.

 

[TheFurryChicken]

In my studies of policing, I honestly thing this douchebag just doesn't have the mindset to be an officer of the law. The guy's probably wound so tight that little shit like that will get to him. There is no reason for that whatsoever. She flipped her shoe at him. Honestly, it didn't even look like it was an intended "I'm trying to hurt you with my shoe." It really just looks like she was trying to give him her shoe by flipping it in his direction. Either way, he's a douchebag, I'm glad he's off the force because he makes me feel bad about wanting to go into law enforcement.

 

[ElephantGuts]

He did a damn good job.

Ha. I laughed.

Yes my first reaction is like everyone else's, "Wow that's so bad, that cop should be jailed/killed, all cops are sadistic bastards," etc. And yes that cop obviously has some issues and is probably one of the many cops who joined the force just to beat the shit out of people because they're sadistic and have anger issues. But I still believe that atleast half of all cops are decent guys/women and are there to help you. I expect them to do their job of helping me and not beating me unnecessarily, and I'll do my job and not break the law or do anything to cause such a beating. Either way, I'm listening to the cops and/or staying away from them when I do do something illegal.

 

[EeveeElectro]

Wow, I managed to watch that video.

Sometimes, I feel ashamed to be human.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

God what a bunch of pussies this forum is made up of. Could we get any more left-wing and gay? Might as well put up the red flag and scream, "Fuck da Pohlice!" At least this community hasn't failed to once again show me what a bunch of whiny underage twats run around here. Not to mention most of them seem stuck in the 60s and 70s when being a far-left dick was the in thing now the new in thing is to be apathetic so get with the times or STFU.

I'm sorry, was there a point to this? Sorry, but making blanket, inflammatory statements like this strikes me as trolling. I recommend you edit to at least address a specific person or post, or explain your opinion. As it stands now, reported.

The point is all the whiny ass bullshit in this thread. I see you report me but don't bother with people making inflammatory remarks towards the police? Or saying fuck the police? Then consider it directed towards you because you are as much of the problem as the rest of these retards with their Che Guevara fist pumping bollocks.

The problem is that you make these blanket statements without backing it up. Fine, what they're saying is bad. But why? Give a reason, or you are just sending out meaningless insults.

But why what? Why is using blanket statements against the police ok but when I use it to a bunch of the retards on this forum wrong? Other then you are trolling? I just find it stupid that these people whine and cry about police brutality because of one instance and now it is fuck the police and police is corrupt, etc. Though I am the one required to back up what I say because of what I have observed through this whole stupid thread?

I admit, I didn't read through all of the thread, I read the first page or so and the last. If people were saying "Fuck the police" then they're just as bad. The fact is though, on this thread, with the evidence presented in the form of that video, they're going to naturally have more credibility. With them, you can say "why don't you like the police", and they can just respond "watch the video." You and other dissenters (not just in this thread, in general), on the other hand, have to make a more compelling case then "you're all whining retards." That's not an argument, that's just inflammatory.

Sorry but it would be a waste of time to even try to use logic with the likes of a lot of posters on this thread. That most of it has degenerated into a bunch of old 60's catchphrases and screaming and moaning about how all cops are evil and corrupt just shows a lack of maturity, understand of the law and law enforcement as well as just displaying a punk-like attitude. Most of these people obviously have natural problems with authority thus when an authority figure makes a possible mistake it is jump on the bandwagon and grab the pitchfork. They don't want logical counter-arguments they just want ideological masturbation in which everyone hates the man equally counter-points be damned.

As to why he was a troll? Because he brought up an age argument when it had nothing to do with the thread or anything I said. Also two years is not exactly trumping me in age department by any means. Also his use of oh but you don't know politics condescension was disgusting especially since I would bet I have been more involved in politics then he has been. I used to do a lot of stuff for the Communist Party, USA when I was younger before I matured my political views by doing a lot of reading and research. Yes I know I am coming off a bit trolly in this topic but I am seeing the same left-wing bollocks I used to use to do political spinning when pamphleting and stuff.

This is all I wanted. I'm not even saying I disagree with you (I do, but that's besides the point), just that you were coming across as a troll because you weren't giving your reasoning. You say that using logic would have been a waste of time, but you should either way. Then you have the highground, and if they don't listen, then at least you tried. Trolling (and the post I responded to first was trolling, make no mistake) doesn't solve anything.

I don't mind if someone disagrees with me I would just rather it be more in depth this most of this thread which has involved nothing short of belligerence. I can see both sides of the situation I see in some ways it was excessive but then again it is a thin line from enforcing the law and being overbearing. I just don't get why this guy is getting the whole guilty from the start before he is even properly investigated. If I was to start yelling and shouting all over the forum about someone being a rapist before a trial I would get someone telling me I should not be convicting someone or speaking like they committed a crime before they get a proper trial. I find it is just one of the conundrums of Liberalism people want criminals to have a fair trial and be treated as humans but do not want the same standards applied to Law Enforcement which I find hypocritical.

 

[GothmogII]

Here's another news report, it contains the footage just prior to entering the cell too. Honestly, it just looks like she was complying, as for the shoe hitting him...it honestly doesn't look that way, I mean, he certainly -reacts- to it coming at him, i.e. he flinches a bit...but looking over the video, it doesn't look like a full on strike.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Gd2qoBx7o

Also, wow...yeah, the girl and her, they seem like real scum. The father even daring to suggest the officer not be allowed work as with the police anymore, that's almost as bad wanting him shot? Right? Right?

I just don't get why this guy is getting the whole guilty from the start before he is even properly investigated. If I was to start yelling and shouting all over the forum about someone being a rapist before a trial I would get someone telling me I should not be convicting someone or speaking like they committed a crime before they get a proper trial. I find it is just one of the conundrums of Liberalism people want criminals to have a fair trial and be treated as humans but do not want the same standards applied to Law Enforcement which I find hypocritical.

Oh I don't know, maybe it has something to do with the video actually showing him doing it? And yes, I'd feel the same way if it were a rapist caught on camera. This isn't like the girl is just making wild accusations against him.

 

[AgentNein]

What a douche! Then again, all pigs are. The prick should've been beaten down in public. He thinks he's a big strooong man 'cause he can bitchslap a teenage girl

I'm posting this abit after the fact, but you're an idiot.

Honestly, you're betraying your own mental lazyness when you lump in an entire group of people as douchebags. Yes, some police get into it because they want to have that power over people (I have absolutely no doubt), but flip the coin and you'll realize that some of those people got into it to help protect and keep order. Douche.

 

[Bagaloo]

She kicked her shoe off at him.
That does not warrant the kind of attack the cop did back.

Heck, maybe at a push shoving her further back into the cell and locking her in?
But he should have just locked her in and left her alone for a few hours to chill out.

Sounds like the guy is a bit of a violent brute, from what I've read. He shot a mentally ill person 11 times because he saw the man reaching for something out of his car (there was no question about whether he should have shot, the mentally ill person had previously tried to strangle the cop) but eleven times?

 

[Rajin Cajun]

She kicked her shoe off at him.
That does not warrant the kind of attack the cop did back.

Heck, maybe at a push shoving her further back into the cell and locking her in?
But he should have just locked her in and left her alone for a few hours to chill out.

Sounds like the guy is a bit of a violent brute, from what I've read. He shot a mentally ill person 11 times because he saw the man reaching for something out of his car (there was no question about whether he should have shot, the mentally ill person had previously tried to strangle the cop) but eleven times?

Hitting people with shoes is considered assault with a deadly weapon. Yes I am being serious.

 

[beddo]

That is your personal view but not mine so it is rather pointless to make a wall of text about it. I am an adamant Authoritarian as I have stated on these forums countless times if you are in custody you need to sit down and shut the fuck up or get a beating that is the way the justice system should operate because then it would either kill these little twinkle-toed anarchist fucks or teach them some manners.

It's not pointless for me to challenge your opinion, especially when a lot of the case lies in both factual and legal grounds.

It's not about a point of view. If you're an authoritarian then surely you agree that the law is the law and hence must apply to all people equally regardless of who they are.

There are no laws stating that you must be quiet once you are in custody, like I say, up until the point you are tried you are considered innocent of all crimes by the law. You retain the Freedom of speech.

Getting a 'beating' is a form of corporal punishment. I am against this punishment but in any case it is not up to a law enforcement officer to deliver any such punishment. In order for a brutal system that uses corporal punishment to stand up to its ideals relies on the laws being applied only when it can be confirmed that it has been broken.

If the system does not follow this then it cannot justify it's existence, it's not an Authoritarian system it's a corrupt Fuedal system. The fact that no Authoritarian system exists without these safegaurds enforced shows that the system is contrived and as backwards as the methods of punishment it uses.

Like I say, the officer would also need to be subject to said punishment for disobeying the rules or being an 'Anarchist' as you put it.

Like I say, she is a minor who was suspected of automobile theft. I don't know why that would make her an Anarchist, early you were suggesting that she was a Communist!

You can't kill someone becuase of their behaviour. It's an ethical and moral paradox. Whomever kills the person is then also a killer and should be punished under the same rules. Basically, corporal punishment can never escape the fact that it's existence is incongruous.


I fail to see why you are not more able to supply a decent argument behind your ideas. Grouping people who commit crimes as 'commies' or 'anarchists' is naive and doesn't address the actual problems behind the crimes. The idea that you can just kill or punish them in this way is flawed. It has never worked in human history and will never work in future.

Only by addressing the causes of crime can you start to do something about them. I'm not suggesting that people shouldn't be punished, only that it should not involve physical pain and that guilt must be confirmed by a jury.

 

[Grand_Poohbah]

I'm just kidding =P. It's actually quite horrid!

 

[Elite L Dizzy]

I think that cops beating the shit out of white women is a great victory in the battle against racism and sexism.

That is the funniest thing I have read today. Thank you.

 

[Avatar Roku]

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I don't mind if someone disagrees with me I would just rather it be more in depth this most of this thread which has involved nothing short of belligerence. I can see both sides of the situation I see in some ways it was excessive but then again it is a thin line from enforcing the law and being overbearing. I just don't get why this guy is getting the whole guilty from the start before he is even properly investigated. If I was to start yelling and shouting all over the forum about someone being a rapist before a trial I would get someone telling me I should not be convicting someone or speaking like they committed a crime before they get a proper trial. I find it is just one of the conundrums of Liberalism people want criminals to have a fair trial and be treated as humans but do not want the same standards applied to Law Enforcement which I find hypocritical.

I see what you're saying. I'm liberal, and I've long been touting "Innocent until proven guilty," but still, this evidence is pretty damning. A lot of people are shouting "Fire him and send him to jail!" or "kill him!", and I think you're misinterpreting that, however. They aren't saying summarily execute him, they're saying give him a trial, and if he's found guilty, then you do that stuff. We all are jumping to conclusions though (except those who are saying "well, I don't know the full story, but it seems...", kudos to you), which we shouldn't.

 

[GothmogII]

She kicked her shoe off at him.
That does not warrant the kind of attack the cop did back.

Heck, maybe at a push shoving her further back into the cell and locking her in?
But he should have just locked her in and left her alone for a few hours to chill out.

Sounds like the guy is a bit of a violent brute, from what I've read. He shot a mentally ill person 11 times because he saw the man reaching for something out of his car (there was no question about whether he should have shot, the mentally ill person had previously tried to strangle the cop) but eleven times?

Hitting people with shoes is considered assault with a deadly weapon. Yes I am being serious.

Watch the second video, the one with the footage of the shoe actually coming at him. Carefully, then come back and say it struck him. And, maybe you can. Then, think for a bit, did it cause physical harm? Doubt it.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

She kicked her shoe off at him.
That does not warrant the kind of attack the cop did back.

Heck, maybe at a push shoving her further back into the cell and locking her in?
But he should have just locked her in and left her alone for a few hours to chill out.

Sounds like the guy is a bit of a violent brute, from what I've read. He shot a mentally ill person 11 times because he saw the man reaching for something out of his car (there was no question about whether he should have shot, the mentally ill person had previously tried to strangle the cop) but eleven times?

Hitting people with shoes is considered assault with a deadly weapon. Yes I am being serious.

Watch the second video, the one with the footage of the shoe actually coming at him. Carefully, then come back and say it struck him. And, maybe you can. Then, think for a bit, did it cause physical harm? Doubt it.

Assault doesn't have to cause harm for it be a crime. Now whether the amount of force used to respond to it is justified is up for a IAD Investigation not me or you.

 

[Avatar Roku]

She kicked her shoe off at him.
That does not warrant the kind of attack the cop did back.

Heck, maybe at a push shoving her further back into the cell and locking her in?
But he should have just locked her in and left her alone for a few hours to chill out.

Sounds like the guy is a bit of a violent brute, from what I've read. He shot a mentally ill person 11 times because he saw the man reaching for something out of his car (there was no question about whether he should have shot, the mentally ill person had previously tried to strangle the cop) but eleven times?

Hitting people with shoes is considered assault with a deadly weapon. Yes I am being serious.

...really? Wow. Still, anyone with half a brain should have realized she wasn't trying to kill him and restrained himself.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

She kicked her shoe off at him.
That does not warrant the kind of attack the cop did back.

Heck, maybe at a push shoving her further back into the cell and locking her in?
But he should have just locked her in and left her alone for a few hours to chill out.

Sounds like the guy is a bit of a violent brute, from what I've read. He shot a mentally ill person 11 times because he saw the man reaching for something out of his car (there was no question about whether he should have shot, the mentally ill person had previously tried to strangle the cop) but eleven times?

Hitting people with shoes is considered assault with a deadly weapon. Yes I am being serious.

...really? Wow. Still, anyone with half a brain should have realized she wasn't trying to kill him and restrained himself.

My question throughout this is why did she have shoes in the first place? Those are typically removed from individuals in holding to keep them from becoming projectiles, weapons or used to hang themselves with the shoelaces.

Yes you are correct it is obvious it is not going to be life threatening though her behavior is completely out of line and she needed to be restrained but the force is obviously questionable. Even then the charges of assault of a deadly weapon on a police officer would have most likely just been dropped to assault on a police officer. The smart thing would have been take the shoes and write her up for assault on a police officer but that is looking at it from a distanced clinical perspective.

 

[bluerahjah]

She kicked her shoe off at him.
That does not warrant the kind of attack the cop did back.

Heck, maybe at a push shoving her further back into the cell and locking her in?
But he should have just locked her in and left her alone for a few hours to chill out.

Sounds like the guy is a bit of a violent brute, from what I've read. He shot a mentally ill person 11 times because he saw the man reaching for something out of his car (there was no question about whether he should have shot, the mentally ill person had previously tried to strangle the cop) but eleven times?

Hitting people with shoes is considered assault with a deadly weapon. Yes I am being serious.

As is attacking an individual in cuffs with your bare fists after having been trained to kill. Which is why most military or ex-military cons are sent to Leavenworth. I'm not condoning either side here, but the officer should have used better judgement in doing his job. While the girl does need to pay for her crimes, he should not have taken it upon himself to be judge, jury, and executioner in this fashion. He deserves to be stripped of his badge at the very least for not following the laws that he is supposed to uphold.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

She kicked her shoe off at him.
That does not warrant the kind of attack the cop did back.

Heck, maybe at a push shoving her further back into the cell and locking her in?
But he should have just locked her in and left her alone for a few hours to chill out.

Sounds like the guy is a bit of a violent brute, from what I've read. He shot a mentally ill person 11 times because he saw the man reaching for something out of his car (there was no question about whether he should have shot, the mentally ill person had previously tried to strangle the cop) but eleven times?

Hitting people with shoes is considered assault with a deadly weapon. Yes I am being serious.

As is attacking an individual in cuffs with your bare fists after having been trained to kill. Which is why most military or ex-military cons are sent to Leavenworth. I'm not condoning either side here, but the officer should have used better judgement in doing his job. While the girl does need to pay for her crimes, he should not have taken it upon himself to be judge, jury, and executioner in this fashion. He deserves to be stripped of his badge at the very least for not following the laws that he is supposed to uphold.

She wasn't cuffed or at least shouldn't have been. Handcuffs and shackles are removed before putting them in a holding cell so she shouldn't have been cuffed and I don't think she was. I agree though I am not condoning either side but am just trying to understand the situation as a whole.