Criminal behavior is criminal behavior. If he is old enough to corner two adults and tell them he is going to kill them, he is old enough to get pepper sprayed. It's amazing how back in the day there didn't need to be special schools for children who have nothing mentally wrong with them (according to the boy's doctors). The kids has been missing a few behavior lessons somewhere along the line and if pepper spray works to keep him under control I would add that to my desk drawer if I am his new teacher.HG131 said:The kid was trying to KILL two people. I think they would have been justified if they snapped his arms and legs.
Teachers aren't allowed to touch kids any more. If a teach lays their hands on a kid, a shit storm follows. It is probably district policy to call the police if there is a fight or anything like that so the teachers don't get sued.MaxwellEdison said:1. They pepper sprayed him twice. Why twice.
2. Why does EVERYONE seem to forget they have this thing called physical bodies? Jesus Christ, you're probably an upwards of 5 9 man who is presumably quite strong compared to an 8 year old, figure your shit out.
Seriously, my reaction as a teacher would be to call other school staff to help, not the fucking police.
Yes, I do. Some sort of mental or emotional problem. I don't really care which one mind you. But he definitely has something wrong with him.Patrick Young said:Does no one think this kid probely has a mental disorder of some sort
America is far from a fascist state. Try again.Drakulea said:THIS is how you deal with these instances of "jerk" rather than "criminal"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mfFErNohIY&feature=related
What do 5 fingers say to the face? ... Correct!
No need for freaking fascist state pepper sprays,tazers and whatnot.
I'm pretty sure if the case is "A kid was throwing chairs, so I grabbed him." wouldn't cause too much of a shitstorm. Personally, I would care a bit more about the health of everyone involved than of what the media said about me. Also, why does everyone assume that you have to beat the shit out of an 8 yr old? It's possible to just grab people.bdcjacko said:Teachers aren't allowed to touch kids any more. If a teach lays their hands on a kid, a shit storm follows. It is probably district policy to call the police if there is a fight or anything like that so the teachers don't get sued.MaxwellEdison said:1. They pepper sprayed him twice. Why twice.
2. Why does EVERYONE seem to forget they have this thing called physical bodies? Jesus Christ, you're probably an upwards of 5 9 man who is presumably quite strong compared to an 8 year old, figure your shit out.
Seriously, my reaction as a teacher would be to call other school staff to help, not the fucking police.
Yes and adult could have beaten the shit out of the kid, but pepper spray works faster and safer. In this age of litigation pepper spray is the right choice.
i dont just smell it, i see it, there is no way he would have behaved passively if he was as angry as otherwise indicated. and I know something about how raging people act from personal expierience. besides he seems to have some serious issues if he previously threw a fit that warranted a 911-call, so i say it was justified.Urgh76 said:I smell bullshit when he was asked about what he did when he was asked to put the stick down at about 4:30
First off, grats to the mom on blaming everyone but herself and her son. Seriously, this lady needs to have this kid taken away from her so he can be locked away from the rest of society before he does end up hurting someone.ravensheart18 said:Just heard another interview with mommy and the 8 year old. According to their side:
1) He flipped out on the bus trying to beat on several other kids before being restrained
2) When he got to school he was so mad he flipped out some more, hitting his teacher repeatedly and makin them call for a second teacher
3) He then continued to be abusive to both and the class, that's when police were called
4) He "made a sheild" and "a sword" (the latter being the pointy stick he broke off of the wall) and admitted he intended to hurt people with these
5) When the police came in he admits they told him to put the stuff down so "I tried to stab them"
6) That when the police peppered him
Sounds more justified than ever to me.
The mother freely admitted that he has an anger problem and a long and extensive history of being violent.
When his mother was asked what she thought it meant that the police were called 3 times about her son she said it meant that the "school has a problem"
Denial much?
Look, I miss the good old days where the teachers took problem children to the board of education or the school board or whatever you call that paddle with the hole in it. But now a days, if a teacher lays a hand on a child, even to hug them, they get sued.MaxwellEdison said:I'm pretty sure if the case is "A kid was throwing chairs, so I grabbed him." wouldn't cause too much of a shitstorm. Personally, I would care a bit more about the health of everyone involved than of what the media said about me. Also, why does everyone assume that you have to beat the shit out of an 8 yr old? It's possible to just grab people.bdcjacko said:Teachers aren't allowed to touch kids any more. If a teach lays their hands on a kid, a shit storm follows. It is probably district policy to call the police if there is a fight or anything like that so the teachers don't get sued.MaxwellEdison said:1. They pepper sprayed him twice. Why twice.
2. Why does EVERYONE seem to forget they have this thing called physical bodies? Jesus Christ, you're probably an upwards of 5 9 man who is presumably quite strong compared to an 8 year old, figure your shit out.
Seriously, my reaction as a teacher would be to call other school staff to help, not the fucking police.
Yes and adult could have beaten the shit out of the kid, but pepper spray works faster and safer. In this age of litigation pepper spray is the right choice.
Note, I'm not really against this case, as they actually used a non-lethal weapon. It just brought to mind all the other cases where police seemed to forget there was a grab them option.
So? It still would have been a better course of action.bdcjacko said:Look, I miss the good old days where the teachers took problem children to the board of education or the school board or whatever you call that paddle with the hole in it. But now a days, if a teacher lays a hand on a child, even to hug them, they get sued.
In this can easily see if a teacher did try to grab the kid, a struggle would have ensued and the media would have spun this into "Teacher assult mentally trouble child!!!!"