Police pepper spray 8 year old

[hamasins]

trained to deal with troubled students not violent students... that and if the teachers touched him they'd be screwed over ¬_¬

 

[bdcjacko]

The kid was trying to KILL two people. I think they would have been justified if they snapped his arms and legs.

really?

I find this funny, i could imagine all the teachers scared shitless of the little 8 year old, the teachers could of handled it themselves if they weren't so incompetent (lock themselves in a closet, what a joke) those teachers were probably good for nothing nerds anyways who thought they were king of the world.

Yeah, but teachers aren't allowed to touch children now a days. So if following district policy to keep from being sued is shitless, I guess you have a point.

Well that sure is dumb, it's illegal for a teacher to solve the problem in 5 mintutes with a quick backhand but not illegal to pepper spray him.

If i were a teacher, i'd just walk out of the room and lock him in

That is what they did...

 

[bdcjacko]

That is all over somethingawful.com (being that Lowtax is from Kansas City, and this is from Kansas City). Also it just so happens the teacher in question is a client of my office.

Oh my god, I can't believe I read more, but wow. He's not a student number, he's not a corporation, he's not a slave of the state. He's my intellectual property. I own him, and all rights to him.

This is one of the most awful things I've seen in a long time.

Yeah. You have to remember that these crazy kids tend to have crazy parents which enable their craziness. I mean Curtis's mom is clearly crazy and won't get a dime because she asks for too much. But this lady with the pepper spray kid, she seems less batshit and more denial and would win a court case.

 

[Levitas1234]

I don't get why people look so down upon an 8year old who just wanted to kill two teachers, hell when i was 8 i did fucked up shit, probably wanted to kill my teachers too, wasn't an angry kid though, but to each their own. I support the kid! Fuck the police!

 

[TheAmazingHobo]

I don't get why people look so down upon an 8year old who just wanted to kill two teachers

Just taking a stab in the dark, but the answer might be:
Because being 8 does not excuse everything and people do not share you irrational hatred towards teachers ?

 

[crudus]

What would have been an appropriate level of force?

-Grabbing him, possibly causing lasting physical harm to both the boy and/or the officers?
-Beating him with batons?
-Pepper spraying him?
-Tazering him?
-Shooting him?

Those are pretty much all the options you get. If the kid can't be talked down, what do you do better? I think pepper spray is pretty clearly the lowest level of acceptable force possible that would cause no lasting harm to anyone involved.

The fun part is if the kid was truly trying to kill people shooting him would have been totally justified.

 

[The Funslinger]

Spineless mom, and the kid would benefit from some old school parenting.
And by that I mean an ass-beating.

yeah, she's a shit parent, but the really spineless people are the 2 teachers. Apparently a fully grown adult can't take a stick out of a child's hand these days. Hell, if they couldn't, the police should have done! christ... this is what happens when kids don't get disciplined these days. it's called being spanked, when it's done to people as children they learn not to do shit.

 

[subtlefuge]

This is the only time I've ever heard one of these crazy kids come off as this much of a monster in an interview. Normally they're so rehearsed. "Wanted to make something sharp in case they came out of hiding".

They should just keep him locked up for good. He was lucky he just got pepper sprayed.

 

[Exosus]

If you, as a grown-ass man, need pepper spray to restrain an EIGHT YEAR OLD WITH A STICK not only should you not be allowed to be a police officer, you should have your balls revoked. The little bastard is 8 years old he probably weighs like 75 pounds and there were 2 cops. Pepper spray was employed because it sounded like fun, no other reason whatsoever.

The question is could they restrain an 8 year old with a weapon and shield without injuring themselves or the child. That is by no means certain.

I can easily see the alternative "Two big strong cops tackle little 8 year old boy leaving him with bruses and sprained arm. Mother complains about police brutality".

Pepper spray creates no real harm, just some temporary discomfort.

Ok, as someone who has a bit of experience in grappling, let me explain something: When there is an overwhelming strength differential between two opponents, as there is between a small child and two grown adults whose job is inherently athletic, the only way you will get contusion injuries is if

A) The person being restrained has no concept of pain and wants to win at any cost (which obviously isn't true or pepper spray would have been laughed off)
B) The person(s) doing the restraining lack the training to know what will and won't cause those sorts of injuries (which obviously isn't true because that is their entire job)
C) The person(s) doing the restraining are intentionally harming the person (which we won't get into)

This is the equivalent of GSP having an argument with his 16-year-old mail order bride - restraint is not even a contest. They could hold that kid down without trying. That means that there is no danger of contusion injuries, no need for tackling, none of that, unless the cops are so bad at their jobs that they shouldn't be allowed to drive a mail truck. They chose pepper spray to teach him a lesson/have some laughs.

 

[bdcjacko]

If you, as a grown-ass man, need pepper spray to restrain an EIGHT YEAR OLD WITH A STICK not only should you not be allowed to be a police officer, you should have your balls revoked. The little bastard is 8 years old he probably weighs like 75 pounds and there were 2 cops. Pepper spray was employed because it sounded like fun, no other reason whatsoever.

The question is could they restrain an 8 year old with a weapon and shield without injuring themselves or the child. That is by no means certain.

I can easily see the alternative "Two big strong cops tackle little 8 year old boy leaving him with bruses and sprained arm. Mother complains about police brutality".

Pepper spray creates no real harm, just some temporary discomfort.

Ok, as someone who has a bit of experience in grappling, let me explain something: When there is an overwhelming strength differential between two opponents, as there is between a small child and two grown adults whose job is inherently athletic, the only way you will get contusion injuries is if

A) The person being restrained has no concept of pain and wants to win at any cost (which obviously isn't true or pepper spray would have been laughed off)
B) The person(s) doing the restraining lack the training to know what will and won't cause those sorts of injuries (which obviously isn't true because that is their entire job)
C) The person(s) doing the restraining are intentionally harming the person (which we won't get into)

This is the extent of GSP having an argument with his 16-year-old mail order bride - restraint is not even a contest. They could hold that kid down without trying. That means that there is no danger of contusion injuries, no need for tackling, none of that, unless the cops are so bad at their jobs that they shouldn't be allowed to drive a mail truck. They chose pepper spray to teach him a lesson/have some laughs.

Well they had to dose the kid with pepper spray twice to get him down. So point, the kid could have kept fighting no matter the cost. Just saying.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

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Time to interject. By no means is hitting an 8 year old ok, not like with a hose, but that kid was well, insane. Like instoppable in a fit of rage (not in terms of fighting, but in terms of calming him down). If an 8 year old is attempting to fight two police officers hes going to fight. All the damn way. Imagine if they manhandled him? Imagine if he gouged eyes? The police couldnt touch him, lawsuit walking right there. It wasnt the best option not by a long way.

To exo now also:
But if i was a cop, with a family to feed, and the prospect of seeing the headline, "COP BRUTALLY ATTACKS AND BEATS SMALL CHILD AGAINST WALL FOR WAVING A STICK. An insane and blood crazed policeman flew into an animal rage and beat the child screaming obscenities to his dark satanic gods more than likely trying to immolate his living soul in a depraved ritual" just for freakin touching the kid to stop him (this totally happens in USA (uk here)) id resort to something long range, guarenteed to FORCE the child to stop without causing any permenant harm after about 30 mins. Hey look pepper spray...

 

[Eisenfaust]

from what i skimmed, it seems more like they're not blaming the police for using the pepper spray, but for letting the situation slide to the point where they needed to use the pepper spray... at which point it's not really about justification

 

[bdcjacko]

SNIP

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Time to interject. By no means is hitting an 8 year old ok, not like with a hose, but that kid was well, insane. Like instoppable in a fit of rage (not in terms of fighting, but in terms of calming him down). If an 8 year old is attempting to fight two police officers hes going to fight. All the damn way. Imagine if they manhandled him? Imagine if he gouged eyes? The police couldnt touch him, lawsuit walking right there. It wasnt the best option not by a long way.

To exo now also:
But if i was a cop, with a family to feed, and the prospect of seeing the headline, "COP BRUTALLY ATTACKS AND BEATS SMALL CHILD AGAINST WALL FOR WAVING A STICK. An insane and blood crazed policeman flew into an animal rage and beat the child screaming obscenities to his dark satanic gods more than likely trying to immolate his living soul in a depraved ritual" just for freakin touching the kid to stop him (this totally happens in USA (uk here)) id resort to something long range, guarenteed to FORCE the child to stop without causing any permenant harm after about 30 mins. Hey look pepper spray...

Finally someone is talking sense. I agree completely with this. You can't touch children if you want a future.

 

[Exosus]

SNIP

SNIP

Time to interject. By no means is hitting an 8 year old ok, not like with a hose, but that kid was well, insane. Like instoppable in a fit of rage (not in terms of fighting, but in terms of calming him down). If an 8 year old is attempting to fight two police officers hes going to fight. All the damn way. Imagine if they manhandled him? Imagine if he gouged eyes? The police couldnt touch him, lawsuit walking right there. It wasnt the best option not by a long way.

To exo now also:
But if i was a cop, with a family to feed, and the prospect of seeing the headline, "COP BRUTALLY ATTACKS AND BEATS SMALL CHILD AGAINST WALL FOR WAVING A STICK. An insane and blood crazed policeman flew into an animal rage and beat the child screaming obscenities to his dark satanic gods more than likely trying to immolate his living soul in a depraved ritual" just for freakin touching the kid to stop him (this totally happens in USA (uk here)) id resort to something long range, guarenteed to FORCE the child to stop without causing any permenant harm after about 30 mins. Hey look pepper spray...

If you post a link demonstrating that happening in the US and a paypal account, I will send you 100 USD which you may convert into pounds at your convenience.

 

[YawningAngel]

They're the police, he's eight. If they need to resort to using pepper spray then they aren't doing their jobs properly.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

SNIP

SNIP

Time to interject. By no means is hitting an 8 year old ok, not like with a hose, but that kid was well, insane. Like instoppable in a fit of rage (not in terms of fighting, but in terms of calming him down). If an 8 year old is attempting to fight two police officers hes going to fight. All the damn way. Imagine if they manhandled him? Imagine if he gouged eyes? The police couldnt touch him, lawsuit walking right there. It wasnt the best option not by a long way.

To exo now also:
But if i was a cop, with a family to feed, and the prospect of seeing the headline, "COP BRUTALLY ATTACKS AND BEATS SMALL CHILD AGAINST WALL FOR WAVING A STICK. An insane and blood crazed policeman flew into an animal rage and beat the child screaming obscenities to his dark satanic gods more than likely trying to immolate his living soul in a depraved ritual" just for freakin touching the kid to stop him (this totally happens in USA (uk here)) id resort to something long range, guarenteed to FORCE the child to stop without causing any permenant harm after about 30 mins. Hey look pepper spray...

If you post a link demonstrating that happening in the US and a paypal account, I will send you 100 USD which you may convert into pounds at your convenience.

I was exhaggerating for effect but heres the idea

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/042310-teacher-fired-after-slap-boxing-video

The student consented to this, the student was PLAYING with the teacher. Imagine if he didnt... it would be even worse. This man is now unemployed. Possibly with a family. Thats the real effect these things have on people.

 

[jpoon]

This is a crock, its just a damn child, no way that would've stopped me from putting him to the floor well before cops were called. I don't think they needed to pepper spray the kid but this kid himself admitted he deserved it. I do hate cops and their tactics but this could've been handled a lot better.

 

[Exosus]

I was exhaggerating for effect but heres the idea

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/042310-teacher-fired-after-slap-boxing-video

The student consented to this, the student was PLAYING with the teacher. Imagine if he didnt... it would be even worse. This man is now unemployed. Possibly with a family. Thats the real effect these things have on people.

I'm going to assume you see how those two things are completely unrelated, correct?

 

[YouEatLard]

Screw that. The teachers should have hit the little bastard with a stun gun before it escalated to that point.

"If you come out, you're gonna die". Seriously?

He wanted to hurt someone. Screw "talking him down". He obviously needs his little butt spanked. He's not getting that so.....