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The Jono

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cartzo said:
this sort of thing seems to go in a cycle in the UK, first we vote labour in and have a great 4-8 years but then they spend all the money and borrow too much (recesion), then we vote the tories in and they clean up labours mess but then they get corrupt, then we vote labour in and have a great 4-8 years but then they spend all the money and borrow to much (recesion).....etc.
Yes, but that happens in EVERY democracy. Hell, happens in most governments full stop.

I think everyone expects the instant Cameron gets into power there'll be sudden and sweeping changes, but I've a funny feeling nothing major's gonna occur.
 

ohellynot

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Democracy: A system of government where any party can stand to be elected to lead the county.
Reality: They are all shit.
 

Woodsey

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They're all better than the racist BNP c*nts, that's the way I like to think of it. Every cloud and all that.
 

Gruchul

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There was a point when the choice between Labour and the Tories mattered. They are becoming more and more homogenised to the point where they are basically the same party. Oh, and I still don't understand the Thatcher bashing, she righted the wrongs of the previous government and ushered in the greatest period of economic stability since the war.

I will be abstaining next election. I struggle to care which inept jerk squanders taxpayer's money on their second home and moats.
 

cartzo

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The Jono said:
cartzo said:
this sort of thing seems to go in a cycle in the UK, first we vote labour in and have a great 4-8 years but then they spend all the money and borrow too much (recesion), then we vote the tories in and they clean up labours mess but then they get corrupt, then we vote labour in and have a great 4-8 years but then they spend all the money and borrow to much (recesion).....etc.
Yes, but that happens in EVERY democracy. Hell, happens in most governments full stop.

I think everyone expects the instant Cameron gets into power there'll be sudden and sweeping changes, but I've a funny feeling nothing major's gonna occur.
you're probably right now that i think about it.
 

Nomad

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ohellynot said:
Democracy: A system of government where any party can stand to be elected to lead the county.
Reality: They are all shit.
Actually, that's representative democracy.

Direct democracy has no parties, only referendums.
 

Sarctastic

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Gruchul said:
Oh, and I still don't understand the Thatcher bashing, she righted the wrongs of the previous government and ushered in the greatest period of economic stability since the war.
What are you talking about? Thatcher increased unemployment, screwed the country by making credit easier to get and removing the only effective method of controlling inflation at the time. She was a bloody idiot when it came to economics.

The previous governments only wrongs were to stand their ground against a miners union that didn't understand how incomes policies help reduce inflation so they wouldn't need big pay rises.
 

Gruchul

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Sarctastic said:
Gruchul said:
Oh, and I still don't understand the Thatcher bashing, she righted the wrongs of the previous government and ushered in the greatest period of economic stability since the war.
What are you talking about? Thatcher increased unemployment, screwed the country by making credit easier to get and removing the only effective method of controlling inflation at the time. She was a bloody idiot when it came to economics.

The previous governments only wrongs were to stand their ground against a miners union that didn't understand how incomes policies help reduce inflation so they wouldn't need big pay rises.
It was indeed in the previous government's reign that unemployment saw massive increases; Thatcher merely inherited the previous government's problems. The miner's union were dealt with by the Thatcherite government. It was her uncompromising leadership that brought the country through a terrible recession to emerge even stronger than before. She championed enterprise and corporations whilst reducing the power of trade unions.

If you really wanted to critisise Thatcher, you should have pointed to the social divides created, rather than the unavoidable economic crisis bought about another government which she handled competently and, most importantly, successfully.
 

Gruchul

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Nomad said:
ohellynot said:
Democracy: A system of government where any party can stand to be elected to lead the county.
Reality: They are all shit.
Actually, that's representative democracy.

Direct democracy has no parties, only referendums.
This is correct; see Switzerland for an example of true democracy in action
 

trelloskilos

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Personally, I think any politician only has one interest: themselves. Especially after the whole Expenses scandal, & I don't trust any of them.

With regards to my own personal politics, I would vote Tory. - Cameron to his credit, was one of the few MPs who did not make grand claims for expenses, and his actions are more encouraging than any MP, tory or not, who fiddled the books with mortgages/second home flipping etc.

Now, I read a lot here about how Labour may be bad, but the Tories would be much worse.
Seriously? How much worse could they be?

Under Gordon Brown, we've seen the worst unemployment records since records began, the first speaker to be given a vote of no confidence since records began, 3 cases where highly secretive data has been lost/stolen/made available to the public domain, the worst & longest recession in history, an economy that has completely failed (despite the PM boasting that while he was chancellor, the economy was strong), the pound falling below the Euro in value, an 8 year (and still ongoing) issue with the catastrophe of the Equitable Life, the collapse of Northern Rock despite huge amounts of money being pumped in to prop it up), admittances to screwing up the health service, the police, & immigration laws, involvement in a prolonged war that we don't want, and a scandal so big & far-reaching that it has permeated every section of society and drained every good citizen's faith in the people who are supposed to look after us, not to mention a string of gaffes. Finally, to top it all off, rather than bow out gracefully, he has insisted that Labour are the best people for the job, and that he will sort it all out.

It's unlikely that the Tories will be the saviours they are claiming to be, but I'd sooner have a few sex scandals, or a few corrupt politicians getting exposed for cash for questions, rather than this shower of shit we currently have for a cabinet.

Lib Dems are way too wishy washy too. The UK has a problem with 14 year old single mums claiming council houses & state benefits, while their ex-boyfriends (a.k.a the baby's father) are usually on the dole, claiming benefits that they spend on new trainers and cannabis. Justice is way too lenient on criminals, to the point where they would sooner send murderous kids on rehab holidays, and immigrants catching a whiff of weakness in the UK come over & grab as much as they can get, shouting "racism" & "infringement of human rights" if they don't get their way.

BNP - forget it! They may be the only party with the balls to deal with the scroungers & fraudsters, but nobody would feel safe walking the streets. It would set the advances that the UK has made in respecting race & diversity back to the 18th century. Violent crime would increase, and the globabl market would turn their back on us.

Bottom line? The houses of parliament needs a complete reform. I propose a V for Vendetta style bombing, and a new, fairer and more open system put in its place.
 
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It's almost irrelevant. The Conservatives will come to power in the next election unless some sort of localised miracle happens. It's what happens afterwards that matters.

If Labour can turn themselves around in four years, get a competent frontman, and reorganise their cabinet, they stand more than a good chance at the next election. If they can't, we get the tories again.

Government is largely cyclical in Britain, and there hasn't been a party in power longer than 10/15 years for a long time now, Labour aren't going to be the exception.
 

annoyinglizardvoice

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I've been alive long enough to see both Labour and Torries arse things up, so I vote LibDems on principle. I don't care what the morons who say you should vote for them because they've got low odds of winning. Such people epicly fail at understanding what voting is.
At least any party is better than BNP.
 

Nomad

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Gruchul said:
Nomad said:
ohellynot said:
Democracy: A system of government where any party can stand to be elected to lead the county.
Reality: They are all shit.
Actually, that's representative democracy.

Direct democracy has no parties, only referendums.
This is correct; see Switzerland for an example of true democracy in action
Meeeh, they have representatives. Don't get me wrong, I applaud them for the direct-democratic aspects of their system, but it's still representative in its foundation. True direct democracy has, so far, never existed on a large scale. And up until now, it has been an impossibility (what with it not really being plausible for someone to travel 100 miles every time there's a referendum and such). However, now we have the tubes to aid us. And - since you brought up Switzerland - it has been proven that referendums and elections can be held securely over the internet.
 

Valksy

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Really conflicted at the moment. I can't stand Gordon Bloody Brown, literally loathe him and will not vote Labour this time out. I do not recognise them as the political party I once picked.

And sometimes Camerons lot say something that sounds good and I cringe and kick myself for approving of the tories.

LibDem is never going to get in to power in their own right - at best they can interfere with really dodgy legislation.

I hate not voting - people died in the fight to give me the right. But recently I have been voting for the lesser of the evils rather than who I actually want. I wish there was a "none of the above, fuck off and rethink policy" box to tick :(

Hate our politics at the moment.
 

Nomad

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Valksy said:
I wish there was a "none of the above, fuck off and rethink policy" box to tick :(
There is. It's called "voting for a third party". Or, in this case, a fourth party.
 

TyrantGanado

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Tell you guys what, why don't we all march down to the Houses of Parliament, storm in and shoot the fucking lot of them?

If nothing else it'd be more efficient than what we've got. The only problem is any revolution inevitably leads to some fuck up or other before stability. Let's all move to Switzerland then, on second thoughts.

Back to the land where Britain Can't Be Fucked To Do Nought But Moan, until the day comes where the great British people (ha!) gain enough sense to vote in a party en masse (as in, so they pwn parliament) that will change everything for us then we'll have to make do with a cycle of bollocks with a side helping of three week old jizzy tissue as our governmental policy.
 

AcrylicHero

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I'll prolly vote for tories in the coming election.
It really is the case of choosing the lesser of the two evils and I just don't see Gordon's labour going anywhere. Cameron might be no superman himself and looks like a twat as much as the next tory mp, I'm mainly doing this for my resentment of the last government.
I would vote labour if Gordon Brown did not run for re-election and david miliband somehow magically became the leader of the labour party. Hell even Jack Straw would be tempting despite some whoopsies his department did.

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Tell you guys what, why don't we all march down to the Houses of Parliament, storm in and shoot the fucking lot of them?

If nothing else it'd be more efficient than what we've got. The only problem is any revolution inevitably leads to some fuck up or other before stability. Let's all move to Switzerland then, on second thoughts.

Back to the land where Britain Can't Be Fucked To Do Nought But Moan, until the day comes where the great British people (ha!) gain enough sense to vote in a party en masse (as in, so they pwn parliament) that will change everything for us then we'll have to make do with a cycle of bollocks with a side helping of three week old jizzy tissue as our governmental policy.
No thanks, the last time we had a revolution it was cromwell. That dude wasn't a popped collar bro. He banned christmas and pudding.
The last part didn't really make sense. In most countries their politics usually has the routine of people moaning about stuff, government responding to the said problem by addressing it incompetently or not address it at all and tabloids having the time of their lives. Britain will remain great as long we have Sean Connery and we can't really 'pwn' the parliamentary system without a major governing system reform which probably won't happen without a revolution.
 

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I'm just gonna wait around untill our own arrogance digs us into a grave, then i shall move to france, learn french, and attempt to somehow create a European Super State Of Awesomeness. The uk can go eat shit and die, i really don't like our self important attitude and i honestly believe some idiotic people think we are the most powerful country in the world whilst reading the daily telegraph.

As you might tell, i'm like much of the UK now and simply don't care about which party gets into power as they will all likely fuck us up, lie to us and not do anything good as they fear they will loose votes next election.
 

KaiRai

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I'm saying Fuck Labour and the Tories. I want UKIP in so they'll take us out of the EU.