Poll: 10 year old murders baby brother

[YuheJi]

I'm sure the ten-year old knew what she did was wrong. I'm sure all of us would know. But I'm also sure that at that age, we don't think about the long-term repercussions of our actions and can let emotions control us. There certainly were occasions when, at that age, I would get angry at my little sister and yell at her. Of course I knew it was wrong, but I did it anyways because I was angry. That's how ten-years old act. Of course the girl should be punished in this case, but murder charges? I don't think so.

 

[Skratt]

Precisely. Does no one remember being a kid themselves? Everyone always acts like children are born mentally retarded and are completely incapable of any kind of thought and reasoning. The answer to that is no. Children aren't like that. For fuck's sake, she's ten, not two.

So what? 10 is not the new 20 for fucks sake. You do not discern right from wrong at that age, you simply follow what you're told. You cannot reason, you cannot use logical thought. In fact, you're pretty much a blank page on which very little has been written. Only by the time you actually understand why A is wrong and B is right can you really be held accountable. The girl is 10 years old. She has an entire life ahead of her and you people want her punished for this? I mean for fucks sake, she didn't exactly take a knife and stabbed the baby. You people disgust me.

Are you serious? I could reason right and wrong and use logical thought long before 10 years old. I can remember when I was 5 and I figured out that animals had feeling like I did. I learned what death was by age 7 having been exposed to the dog I'd known all my life fall down and do everything except die in front of my eyes. We took her to the vet to be put down that day cause she was like 14 years old or something.

If you are a blank page by ten years old, your parents seriously fucked up. If you cannot remember you childhood, or it took you a decade more to realize that what you did as a kid was fucked up, I weep for you. I cannot imagine what it must be like to go through life as a kid with no understanding of what the fuck you are doing. It is beyond my ability to fathom what your childhood must have been like to have caused that.

That being said, I do not advocate jail. This 10 year old girl needs counseling not because she is a blank robot slate, but because she likely has other issues. It is unlikely she meant to kill her brother, HOWEVER, a good psychologist can find out if the girl is just ignorant of her actions, incapable of understanding due perhaps to a lower intelligence or maybe some other reason, or an emotionally detached sociopath.

Either way, when I hear people say that children don't know any better, it disgusts me. It is true that sometimes they do not understand things the way adults do, but what you are suggesting (that kids don't understand anything at that age) is not only ignorant but dangerous and just plain wrong.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

Also, not every bad thing a person does is because of negative influences in their youth. There are a lot of bad people who were not abused mentally/physically when young and still ended up doing a lot of bad things. A lot of crime done by people is because they were never reprimanded for the bad things they did when young and then because they didnt not learn about consecuences to their actions they in their older years think that they can do what ever they want.

Yes they do. Every single "criminal" who has either stolen or murdered has done so because they were either coerced, abused as a child or mentally ill. Oh, and ignoring your child is still considered abuse.

 

[SGrahambo]

Big deal.
Sibling rivalry's been around since Cain and Abel.
It was him or her. And she got to him first.

IwillnotlaughIwillnotlaughIwillnotlaugh...
crap.
I'm going to hell now.

 

[Zykon TheLich]

Difficult

 

[badgersprite]

Also, not every bad thing a person does is because of negative influences in their youth. There are a lot of bad people who were not abused mentally/physically when young and still ended up doing a lot of bad things. A lot of crime done by people is because they were never reprimanded for the bad things they did when young and then because they didnt not learn about consecuences to their actions they in their older years think that they can do what ever they want.

Yes they do. Every single "criminal" who has either stolen or murdered has done so because they were either coerced, abused as a child or mentally ill. Oh, and ignoring your child is still considered abuse.

Please keep going. The more I hear from you, the more this is becoming utterly hilarious.

I feel so sorry for all those middle class people who steal things because they want them and feel entitled to them. Obviously their crimes are just lashing out, and not a result of wanting something and feeling they deserve better than paying for it.

Clearly all my friends who still torrent and download music for free are stealing because they're being coerced into it, because they were abused, or because they're mentally ill.

Let me give you an example. What is your first thought when you see a hot woman/man? It's sexual, obviously. If you acted on instinct, you'd go up to that person and try and have sex with them, with or without their consent.

Nope. Sorry. That's just you projecting again. Keep at it, though. It was a good try. But no.

 

[Choppaduel]

This is simply tragedy with no one really to blame...

But we gotta blame someone for everything, right?

Bingo, I hope the people in power share this view, though thats a quite unlikely.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

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Are you serious? I could reason right and wrong and use logical thought long before 10 years old. I can remember when I was 5 and I figured out that animals had feeling like I did. I learned what death was by age 7 having been exposed to the dog I'd known all my life fall down and do everything except die in front of my eyes. We took her to the vet to be put down that day cause she was like 14 years old or something.

If you are a blank page by ten years old, your parents seriously fucked up. If you cannot remember you childhood, or it took you a decade more to realize that what you did as a kid was fucked up, I weep for you. I cannot imagine what it must be like to go through life as a kid with no understanding of what the fuck you are doing. It is beyond my ability to fathom what your childhood must have been like to have caused that.

That being said, I do not advocate jail. This 10 year old girl needs counseling not because she is a blank robot slate, but because she likely has other issues. It is unlikely she meant to kill her brother, HOWEVER, a good psychologist can find out if the girl is just ignorant of her actions, incapable of understanding due perhaps to a lower intelligence or maybe some other reason, or an emotionally detached sociopath.

Either way, when I hear people say that children don't know any better, it disgusts me. It is true that sometimes they do not understand things the way adults do, but what you are suggesting (that kids don't understand anything at that age) is not only ignorant but dangerous and just plain wrong.

You were taught that behavior, you never "figured it out". In fact, all behavior is taught until puberty. The most basic ones are instilled since early childhood, mainly outright killing. Still, the child in question didn't understand that shaking was wrong. In fact, she was probably playing with the baby, something which a lot of children do. She never considered shaking to be wrong so she did it. We were never told if it was violent or not.

Learning what death is does not mean you are capable of logical thought by the way. Again, every single behavior you were taught.

But that's how the childhood of every single human being on earth was. You do not understand anything. You rely on others to provide you with an explanation. Everything you knew during childhood was told to you. Right and wrong were concepts instilled in you by your parents or someone else. You did not figure it out by yourself. You're incapable of doing so until teenagehood and even then most of your logical thinking is based on pre-instilled behavior.

It's not ignorant at all, it's the truth. Logical thinking is impossible until puberty. Everything you "learn" as a child is instilled in you. This is why you don't see children discussing wars or tragedies. They simply don't understand them.

 

[FallenTraveler]

I scrolled down real quick on this cause all I wanna do is say one thing... anyway, on the way down to the post area I saw the word blame about fifteen times

I think that the ten y/o is to blame for the death, the babysitter for being COMPLETELY incompetent, and the parents for allowing the charges to proceed... I mean, it isn't like the dead baby is going to press charges...

also, where are all the tasteless dead baby jokes?

 

[S_SienZ]

This is really grey area (since "shaking" alone is pretty vague) depending on what the child's intentions and specific actions were when "shaking" the baby. In my country years ago there was a case where a 12 yr old boy stabbed his tuition teacher's daughter with a knife 17 times before she bled to death. We've all been 10, but were any of us seriously clueless enough to pull shit like this?

And yeah, the 12 year old boy who murdered that innocent girl, was just released few years ago. What caused an even massive hoo-hah and calls for reform of the minimum legal age was that him being a minor, saved him from the death penalty for murder.

 

[Snotnarok]

I don't know who to blame, that's kinda a hard situation...

I've heard my one cousin did some very screwed up things, I'm 90% sure if he ever gets off his meds he'll murder someone and everyone seems to be in denial about it. This is at a younger age mind you...10 maybe younger.

To give the lightest example of what's been rumored, drawing women tied to chairs beaten amongst other things. Mind you he's also a good artist so these weren't stickfigures we're talking about... Apparently he's 'better' I say you don't really get better from that, you just hide it better.

 

[yndsu]

Also, not every bad thing a person does is because of negative influences in their youth. There are a lot of bad people who were not abused mentally/physically when young and still ended up doing a lot of bad things. A lot of crime done by people is because they were never reprimanded for the bad things they did when young and then because they didnt not learn about consecuences to their actions they in their older years think that they can do what ever they want.

Yes they do. Every single "criminal" who has either stolen or murdered has done so because they were either coerced, abused as a child or mentally ill. Oh, and ignoring your child is still considered abuse.

Ok, lets give taht abuse part the benifit of a doubt.
But could you please elaborate what do you mean by ignoring your child ?

Also, what i was trying to get across, maybe not as clearly as i should have, was that
often times people do bad things because when they were young they were not repremanded
for the bad things they did. Or indeed because bad thigns were done to them they thought
that it was the norm and it is acceptable. And the point of that was that they were not
thought about right and wrong in their youth. And you saying that everything people do
until to their 20's is accidental is moronic. One is not able to function in a society if they, being 20 years old still dont know what is right and what is wrong and after doing
something wrong say that it was just an accident. I was thought by my parents about the right and wrong and i was not able to get away with "it was just an accident" by the time i was 6. And i still havent killed anyone (i did stole some chewing gum when i was young though, i guess it is my parents fault for spanking me when i deserved it).

 

[AndyFromMonday]

lol wut you just went full retard

I kid I kid, but seriously, you cannot use logical thought? ....WHAT?

Just like other people have already said, people nowadays act like children are mentally retarded and not capable of thinking about anything. I mean what the fuck, think back, when you were 10 years old? Did you do shit like this? Were you really this stupid? Did you have no idea that some shit is wrong and crossing the damn line, while other shit is not?

No, because whenever I'd deviate from the accepted norm someone was always there to tell me what I was doing was wrong.


Look, I'm tired. I'll just ask you a question and be on my way. If a child is capable of logical thought, why is it that they do not discuss subjects more complicated than things associated with childhood, say toys/tv show's? Children obviously hear about tragedies happening all the time on the news and yet they don't seem to understand WHY what happened in that part of the world is tragic. If they did, they'd discuss it. They are incapable of understanding the world around them. They need someone to guide them until they are able to do so. So, if children are capable of undersanting and by extension thinking logically why would they give more importance to say toys rather than say the fukushima disaster?

I feel so sorry for all those middle class people who steal things because they want them and feel entitled to them. Obviously their crimes are just lashing out, and not a result of wanting something and feeling they deserve better than paying for it.

Clearly all my friends who still torrent and download music for free are stealing because they're being coerced into it, because they were abused, or because they're mentally ill.

Well yeah, pretty much. No one ever taught them the consequences of piracy and since every single human believes it "the consequences won't fuck him up" piracy is convenient. It happens online, you barely need to move a finger and you feel safe. It's a byproduct of people simply not giving a shit. I mean as teenagers they don't know the value of money or that other people need to earn cash so they pirate and as adults they are selfish because well who the fuck isn't? We're taught from an early age that being selfish is good for your own personal happiness.

 

[lord canti]

Ib that Andy would make fox news proud.