Poll: 10 year old murders baby brother

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FarleShadow

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Sorry, 10 year old kills baby, cannot be blamed because 10 YO's don't understand death?

My ass! Whilst the child should be punished, the babysitter shouldn't be, its not like we hire babysitters to spend every hour of their employed lives to monitor our murderous spawn.
 

Bobbity

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It is[/i] mostly the girl's fault, but the babysitter also has a responsibility to be aware of the child at all times.
 

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Arontala said:
SaneAmongInsane said:
SilentCom said:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42835911/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?gt1=43001
Also, just because shes 10 doesn't mean she doesn't understand that you're not suppose to violently shake and throw your baby bro. Seriously, that is messed up. Lastly, the final bit of comment about there being no reason to leave a 9 year old girl with her baby bro is complete bullshit. For one, she is not completely alone because the babysitter was there, and secondly, since when has it been wrong to trust your 10 year old daughter with your 11 month old son in the presence of a babysitter? I figure it is if the daughter is psycho...

What do you guys think? Do you think it's the babysitters fault or the girl for the murder?
Actually yes, yes it does. Where the hell would you even learn how fragile a baby is at that age? Hell I didn't even know you could kill a baby that way till I was like 13 and I saw it on a Lifetime movie.

Also a child of that age doesn't understand the full ramifications of their actions. Hell a child of 15 is hardly mature enough to know.

I feel more sympathy for the babysitter. I hope she gets a light punishment. The kid should be in juvi until shes 18.
Perhaps you didn't know that a baby could be killed that way, but did you know that violently shaking a baby was a bad thing? I'm fairly sure that you did. If the girl didn't ( Which I highly doubt ) then the blame rests on the parents, for not teaching the girl to not do such things to her baby sibling.
At ten years old I thought you could defeat anyone in a fight by imitating the power rangers and pro-wrestling was real. Your not a moron that can't discern right from wrong but at that young an age your far from the intelligence level that we can judge an adult at.

She probably knew well enough that doing such a thing would hurt it but I doubt she really knew it could cause something as extreme as death.

I actually don't even feel we can place blame in hindsight. I mean who can ever really expect this to happen in the average household, with a child that doesn't have behavioral issues? Just a freak thing that happened, a terrible choice made by a girl that didn't know the consequences of what she was doing, a poor choice made by a babysitter who didn't forsee this happening and parents that decided to go out that evening.
 

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when I was ten, and still to this day, I was(am) afraid of babies for their fragility and back in the day, their oddness... babies are just really strange, foreign things to me. Never really experienced them since I was the youngest.
 
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Why must there always be a reason?
Can't we ever just let it go as some stupid sucky tragedy without blaming some poor person with murder?
That 10 year old already has to live with having killed her brother- do we really need to legally classify her as a MURDERER?
This is a terrible thing to hear, but it's just ridiculous with the amount of finger-pointing.
 

FarleShadow

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Hey guys I have a quick thing. It's true, we knew A LOT of things we shouldn't do when we were 10. But here's the thing: Even though we knew we shouldn't do them, a lot of the time we did them anyway. We knew we'd get punished in some way, we understood the possible consequences, but we usually weren't thinking of that at the time. You know, it was just the spur of the moment, a bit random. We were usually just playing around and next thing you know, dad has you bent over swinging his belt. Now, you'd remember the punishment for a while but sometimes you'd eventually forget it and do it again.
James Bulger's killers exposed and justifed, followed by several other murders because 'fuck it, in for a penny, in for a pound'
 

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SaneAmongInsane said:
SilentCom said:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42835911/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?gt1=43001
Also, just because shes 10 doesn't mean she doesn't understand that you're not suppose to violently shake and throw your baby bro. Seriously, that is messed up. Lastly, the final bit of comment about there being no reason to leave a 9 year old girl with her baby bro is complete bullshit. For one, she is not completely alone because the babysitter was there, and secondly, since when has it been wrong to trust your 10 year old daughter with your 11 month old son in the presence of a babysitter? I figure it is if the daughter is psycho...

What do you guys think? Do you think it's the babysitters fault or the girl for the murder?
Actually yes, yes it does. Where the hell would you even learn how fragile a baby is at that age? Hell I didn't even know you could kill a baby that way till I was like 13 and I saw it on a Lifetime movie.

Also a child of that age doesn't understand the full ramifications of their actions. Hell a child of 15 is hardly mature enough to know.

I feel more sympathy for the babysitter. I hope she gets a light punishment. The kid should be in juvi until shes 18.
So wait, the child isn't mature enough to know what she did but she should be in juvi till shes 18?
And the first thing any parent should tell their kids when theirs a new baby in the house is to be careful and how fragile babies are
 

artanis_neravar

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Singularly Datarific said:
Why must there always be a reason?
Can't we ever just let it go as some stupid sucky tragedy without blaming some poor person with murder?
That 10 year old already has to live with having killed her brother- do we really need to legally classify her as a MURDERER?
This is a terrible thing to hear, but it's just ridiculous with the amount of finger-pointing.
Does she feel sorry for what she did?
 

Fishdog52

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At around 5, I understood how to treat something smaller and more fragile then yourself. If you ever remember being in a day care, you know that there is often instances where there are too many children to monitor, and you can easily sneak off and get into mischief.

I understand that kids may not know what right and wrong are in certain instances, but it is a failure first on the child for shaking the kid, and secondly for the parents from not instilling morals into the child.

I was very aware of my actions at 10. I was cold and calculating at 11, but that was from bullying. I can wager I would have been sooner had the bullying started in elementary, and not middle school. And believe me, at that age I did plan (but never carry out) "accidents" to befall certain deserving individuals - and methods to get away with it.

All I am saying is there is the potential there for this to have been intentional. Couldn't prove it for beans though.
 

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artanis_neravar said:
SaneAmongInsane said:
SilentCom said:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42835911/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?gt1=43001
Also, just because shes 10 doesn't mean she doesn't understand that you're not suppose to violently shake and throw your baby bro. Seriously, that is messed up. Lastly, the final bit of comment about there being no reason to leave a 9 year old girl with her baby bro is complete bullshit. For one, she is not completely alone because the babysitter was there, and secondly, since when has it been wrong to trust your 10 year old daughter with your 11 month old son in the presence of a babysitter? I figure it is if the daughter is psycho...

What do you guys think? Do you think it's the babysitters fault or the girl for the murder?
Actually yes, yes it does. Where the hell would you even learn how fragile a baby is at that age? Hell I didn't even know you could kill a baby that way till I was like 13 and I saw it on a Lifetime movie.

Also a child of that age doesn't understand the full ramifications of their actions. Hell a child of 15 is hardly mature enough to know.

I feel more sympathy for the babysitter. I hope she gets a light punishment. The kid should be in juvi until shes 18.
So wait, the child isn't mature enough to know what she did but she should be in juvi till shes 18?
And the first thing any parent should tell their kids when theirs a new baby in the house is to be careful and how fragile babies are
Ignorance is not a valid legal defense. Even if I'm right, a human being still died and she needs to face consequences.

Your certainly right about the second thing. I'm just thinking to all I've learned from people about taking care of babies growing up, and I'm realizing now how little I've learned of how easily they can die. I suppose that's meant to be implied but *shrugs* I always new well enough to be gentle, it's just amazing how incredibly fragile they are.
 

artanis_neravar

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Arontala said:
artanis_neravar said:
SaneAmongInsane said:
SilentCom said:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42835911/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?gt1=43001
Also, just because shes 10 doesn't mean she doesn't understand that you're not suppose to violently shake and throw your baby bro. Seriously, that is messed up. Lastly, the final bit of comment about there being no reason to leave a 9 year old girl with her baby bro is complete bullshit. For one, she is not completely alone because the babysitter was there, and secondly, since when has it been wrong to trust your 10 year old daughter with your 11 month old son in the presence of a babysitter? I figure it is if the daughter is psycho...

What do you guys think? Do you think it's the babysitters fault or the girl for the murder?
Actually yes, yes it does. Where the hell would you even learn how fragile a baby is at that age? Hell I didn't even know you could kill a baby that way till I was like 13 and I saw it on a Lifetime movie.

Also a child of that age doesn't understand the full ramifications of their actions. Hell a child of 15 is hardly mature enough to know.

I feel more sympathy for the babysitter. I hope she gets a light punishment. The kid should be in juvi until shes 18.
So wait, the child isn't mature enough to know what she did but she should be in juvi till shes 18?
And the first thing any parent should tell their kids when theirs a new baby in the house is to be careful and how fragile babies are
How does it feel to be ninja'd? Muahahahahahahaha!

Sorry, it's my first time.
lol no prob
 

artanis_neravar

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SaneAmongInsane said:
artanis_neravar said:
SaneAmongInsane said:
SilentCom said:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42835911/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?gt1=43001
Also, just because shes 10 doesn't mean she doesn't understand that you're not suppose to violently shake and throw your baby bro. Seriously, that is messed up. Lastly, the final bit of comment about there being no reason to leave a 9 year old girl with her baby bro is complete bullshit. For one, she is not completely alone because the babysitter was there, and secondly, since when has it been wrong to trust your 10 year old daughter with your 11 month old son in the presence of a babysitter? I figure it is if the daughter is psycho...

What do you guys think? Do you think it's the babysitters fault or the girl for the murder?
Actually yes, yes it does. Where the hell would you even learn how fragile a baby is at that age? Hell I didn't even know you could kill a baby that way till I was like 13 and I saw it on a Lifetime movie.

Also a child of that age doesn't understand the full ramifications of their actions. Hell a child of 15 is hardly mature enough to know.

I feel more sympathy for the babysitter. I hope she gets a light punishment. The kid should be in juvi until shes 18.
So wait, the child isn't mature enough to know what she did but she should be in juvi till shes 18?
And the first thing any parent should tell their kids when theirs a new baby in the house is to be careful and how fragile babies are
Ignorance is not a valid legal defense. Even if I'm right, a human being still died and she needs to face consequences.

Your certainly right about the second thing. I'm just thinking to all I've learned from people about taking care of babies growing up, and I'm realizing now how little I've learned of how easily they can die. I suppose that's meant to be implied but *shrugs* I always new well enough to be gentle, it's just amazing how incredibly fragile they are.
Just pointing out it's not ignorance if you aren't mature enough to know what your doing (not that im saying she didnt know what she was doing was wrong)
 

Paksenarrion

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In my opinion, it's the parents' fault for trusting a human babysitter with protecting their baby...

 

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artanis_neravar said:
SaneAmongInsane said:
artanis_neravar said:
SaneAmongInsane said:
SilentCom said:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42835911/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?gt1=43001
Also, just because shes 10 doesn't mean she doesn't understand that you're not suppose to violently shake and throw your baby bro. Seriously, that is messed up. Lastly, the final bit of comment about there being no reason to leave a 9 year old girl with her baby bro is complete bullshit. For one, she is not completely alone because the babysitter was there, and secondly, since when has it been wrong to trust your 10 year old daughter with your 11 month old son in the presence of a babysitter? I figure it is if the daughter is psycho...

What do you guys think? Do you think it's the babysitters fault or the girl for the murder?
Actually yes, yes it does. Where the hell would you even learn how fragile a baby is at that age? Hell I didn't even know you could kill a baby that way till I was like 13 and I saw it on a Lifetime movie.

Also a child of that age doesn't understand the full ramifications of their actions. Hell a child of 15 is hardly mature enough to know.

I feel more sympathy for the babysitter. I hope she gets a light punishment. The kid should be in juvi until shes 18.
So wait, the child isn't mature enough to know what she did but she should be in juvi till shes 18?
And the first thing any parent should tell their kids when theirs a new baby in the house is to be careful and how fragile babies are
Ignorance is not a valid legal defense. Even if I'm right, a human being still died and she needs to face consequences.

Your certainly right about the second thing. I'm just thinking to all I've learned from people about taking care of babies growing up, and I'm realizing now how little I've learned of how easily they can die. I suppose that's meant to be implied but *shrugs* I always new well enough to be gentle, it's just amazing how incredibly fragile they are.
Just pointing out it's not ignorance if you aren't mature enough to know what your doing (not that im saying she didnt know what she was doing was wrong)
I'm probably using the wrong word. regardless, she needs to face consequences. I'm not saying try her as an adult, but she needs juvi time.
 

callmegreen

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My theory is that the babysitter went to take a dump and the girl started playing with him... Dropped him accidentally, started started shaking him trying to wake him up but he was already gone. if not send the kid to a Mental instatution for a week or 2 to see if she's unstable or not ... also dont blame the babysitter