Poll: 8 year old Botox girl taken into care

[Snotnarok]

Still not sure why people think it's okay to bring their kid into these competitions and be judged in that light, that can't be great for the developing mind. Why not instead let them learn another language? It's easiest to learn that at a young age. Or, art, something to benefit them later.

Or you could put them into these competitions where I'm sure a pedophile is just watching with a big smile on his face and his bag on his lap while watching your kid is cool too.

 

[NezumiiroKitsune]

She "complained of a wrinkle when she smiled" which is why this extremely unnecessary treatment was carried out. That she complained at all about lines when she smiled is indicative of psychological illness at her age. Whether this can be considered tantamount to abuse is dependent on how she came to develop these notions of essential cosmetic perfection based on an impossible "perfect female". The actual injections of botox were carried out by her mother whom I am lead to believe is a trained beautician. Whatever I think of this as a substantial and worthwhile career, I think they're at least trained to properly administer BTX-A as a cosmetic therapy. She would presumably understand what she was doing well enough to do the procedure, even if she lacked the reasoning and rationale to acknowledge it as superfluous and psychologically damaging. I don't believe she was putting her child at any substantial physiological risk of botulinium poisoning though; if I'm right in saying she's qualified to do it.

She shouldn't have done it, but what she did wasn't evil just deeply misguided.

Removing her from her mother may hurt her as much as the pageants did though. She could feasibly stay with her mother provided she was given regular visits from a social worker, court ordered to stop partaking in beauty pageants, and both of them scheduled to receive counselling; the mother for her dangerous delusions about worth based on cosmetic intangible perfection and the daughter so she can grow up free of her mothers delusions before they're too deeply ingrained in who she will become.

I cannot imagine how much it hurts both of them to be separated and I question whether it was necessary. She was incredibly stupid and deluded, but there are stupid deluded people having children all over the world everyday. The pageants should be illegal, they're abusive and destructive.

If there is any evidence of further abuse (negative reinforcement for failure or otherwise) she should definitely be taken from her and put into care.

I'm as surprised as you are I didn't choose yes unconditionally, but being in care isn't a positive experience for most children, many never finding a foster home or adoption. If there's any way she could stay with her family, I believe this would be overall a more positive outcome for everyone.

 

[A Pious Cultist]

OK, here's a quick question: Do any of these people realise what botox treatments consist of? Here's a clue, people: It's an extremely deadly neurotoxin

So? What's wrong with Deadly Neurotoxin?

Edit: I just scrolled up, dammit interwebs!

 

[JoJo]

You really think that eight is old enough to consent to have a purely cosmetic treatment which can if you're unlucky lead to serious medical issues or even in rare cases death, just for a stupid beauty contest?

Do you really think she's going to grow up any better or different in that environment, and her age too?

Yes you can take HER away from it, but that's like adopting a 3rd world child.

And banning something isn't going to address the source of the problem, only treat the symptoms.

Eh... huh? Are you claiming that she would be better off still with her mother rather than in care? I know care isn't that great for raising a child, but at-least she won't have to regularly undergo high-risk painful medical treatment for no reason. The root cause of the problem, insecure parents who harm their own child for fleeting moments of glory, is however rather hard to remove from society.

 

[deathbydeath]

snippity snip snip

woot, sarcasm!

OP: desperate parent is desperate

 

[pejhmon]

OK, here's a quick question: Do any of these people realise what botox treatments consist of? Here's a clue, people: It's an extremely deadly neurotoxin that comes from a bacillus bacterium called Clostridium botulinum. Its LD[sub]50[/sub] value is 1ng per kilogram of body mass. That is what she had injected into her daughter.

Moron.

Lol the instant I read neurotoxin I instantly likened the mother to GlaDos

OT: Thing is though, how much better would the child's life be in care? I mean, if the mother would promise never to inject her daughter again she would still be the best thing the girl has, right? A parent is better than no parents ... speaking of which what's the dad doing in all this?

 

[Dexiro]

I'm a bit torn on the issue myself. On one hand the mother did abuse the child in every sense of the way but on the other hand separating a child from its parents is always traumatizing for the child and foster homes aren't always a good thing for the child since adoption rates aren't that high. There's also bullying and acceptance to consider when you throw a child into an already established community.

I believe the mother truly cared for her child. She expressed genuine concern for the child by attempting to make it so the child wouldn't end up like her. A social worker supervising the case and the mother being forced to visit a councilor every week would have sufficed in my opinion.

Of course the media is going to paint the mother as the devil since all they care for is ratings and social workers will have no other choice but to comply since otherwise the huge public backlash would hurt their image. Sometimes I wonder what the world would be like if sensationalist "news" channels wouldn't exist.

It might be troubling but both the kid and the parent need to know what behaviour is and isn't acceptable. Without interception I can only imagine the kid growing up to be the ignorant self-entitled type that thinks looks mean everything, we don't need more of those people.

 

[JochemDude]

Sometimes I really think you'd need a license to raise children. It's kinda immoral I know, but seeing things like this does make you think.

 

[JoJo]

snippity snip snip

woot, sarcasm!

Uhh... Where was the sarcasm?

 

[lcyw20]

I'm unsure about the out come of this situation. Ok, so the mother should not have been injecting basically poison into the face of her child to make her look a little bit better (seriously, that kid probably looks picture-perfect without the damn stuff being injected, one tiny wrinkle? They're called how your face works!) but on the other hand what good does it really do separating the child from her mother? The whole point of that sort of action is to reduce suffering to the child and phycological problems accosiated with separation definately don't improve things.
Surely there would be some way of stopping the mother doing this to her daughter without separating them... Councelling for both of them perhaps. The mother to teach her to see her daughter as beautiful as she is and the girl for her to know that she's beautiful how she is. Maybe?

It is not as simple as a miscommunication between a parent and child, which is in itself in no way trivial. The problem is the mother most likely illegally obtained Botox (bought a prescription-only medicine on the internet) and actually endangered her daughter-- she does not have the qualification to inject Botox, and Botox is not licensed for use in children i.e. has not been researched on children to establish risks. I am speaking as a pre-registration pharmacist, so I know what I am saying.

The mother's psychology is so twisted that she is seeing flaws in her daughters appearance, and has gone to great lengths to attempt amending this, when there is nothing wrong with the girl. The girl herself isn't clear on why she is having these injections, only answering "to remove wrinkles" when prompted, as seen in an interview. And since when do children have wrinkles, apart from those unfortunate ones who have the rare disease that practically ages their bodies into old age in a matter of years?

No, for the protection of the girl, she should be taken into care.

 

[emeraldrafael]

Until the ations hurt the child, there's no reason to to take away them away from the parents.

EDIT: So I stop get quoted (hopefully) this isnt a yes or no answer. Its just a fact of the law and an opinion of mine.

 

[A Pious Cultist]

Until the ations hurt the child, there's no reason to to take away them away from the parents.

If your definition of harm is purely physical then I hope you never raise children.

 

[lcyw20]

I'm a bit torn on the issue myself. On one hand the mother did abuse the child in every sense of the way but on the other hand separating a child from its parents is always traumatizing for the child and foster homes aren't always a good thing for the child since adoption rates aren't that high. There's also bullying and acceptance to consider when you throw a child into an already established community.

I believe the mother truly cared for her child. She expressed genuine concern for the child by attempting to make it so the child wouldn't end up like her. A social worker supervising the case and the mother being forced to visit a councilor every week would have sufficed in my opinion.

Of course the media is going to paint the mother as the devil since all they care for is ratings and social workers will have no other choice but to comply since otherwise the huge public backlash would hurt their image. Sometimes I wonder what the world would be like if sensationalist "news" channels wouldn't exist.

Nobody here is arguing the mother is not doing what she thinks is best, but her methods put her daughter at great, unnecessary risk, her life in danger, her psychology bent on obsessing over her appearance. This is the reason she was taken into care. It is not a decision to be made lightly, but keep them together, and the mother will probably get her a succession of cosmetic surgeries before her 14th birthday. It's unnecessary, it's dangerous, and you have to be completely nuts to think it is a good idea, and all the while the girl doesn't know how to decide.

 

[deathninja]

It's an extremely deadly neurotoxin that comes from a bacillus bacterium called Clostridium botulinum. Its LD[sub]50[/sub] value is 1ng per kilogram of body mass.

Genus and LD[sub]50[/sub] will probably throw the majority of this forum. (I'm a Pharma chemist, so I know how serious that sh*t is).

Then again, the mother's a f*cking Brummie, she could have done something a lot stupider.

(with apologies to West Midlands Escapists, of course).

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

"She has lines in her face when she smiles"

Everyone has lines in their fucking face when they smile. It's what normal people look like.

Stupid bloody woman. Definitely needs to be a law about this thing, so morons like her can't do this as easily to their children. Still, I do think that the kid being taken into care is a little extreme.

 

[emeraldrafael]

Until the ations hurt the child, there's no reason to to take away them away from the parents.

If your definition of harm is purely physical then I hope you never raise children.

well first, I make a great parent (not that I am one, but I've been raising my cousins for my realtives while they work).

second, that was an overall blanket statement, and never once did it separate physical or emotional or mental harm. You're the one that decided to make the assumption.

Third, there needs to be a voice of reason, because what this mother does is no different then any of the other beauty pageant moms. Everyone's just all in a tizzle because this one decided to go for that direct approach of keeping your child's young youthful child look.

Cant blame the players for playing to win the game.

 

[inFAMOUSCowZ]

Yeah I think so, and if I'm not mistaken cant botox be harmful.

 

[deathbydeath]

snippity snip snip

woot, sarcasm!

Uhh... Where was the sarcasm?

oooohhh, i didn't see the "as" in your post. thanks for not having screwed up opinions.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

Yeah I think so, and if I'm not mistaken cant botox be harmful.

yes, it's actually derived from a neurotoxin.

 

[Yopaz]

OK, here's a quick question: Do any of these people realise what botox treatments consist of? Here's a clue, people: It's an extremely deadly neurotoxin that comes from a bacillus bacterium called Clostridium botulinum. Its LD[sub]50[/sub] value is 1ng per kilogram of body mass. That is what she had injected into her daughter.

Moron.

I actually was pretty shocked when I learned what botox was last year. since Clostridium botulinum is a bacteria I learned to fear a long time ago. The fact that botox was a poison was known to me before this, but the fact that it was this poison was a great shock to me. That shock was however dwarfed compared to a mother giving botox injection to her daughter. I agree completely with your post. It's just sick to use this at all, but giving it to a 8 year old to clear wrinkles is horrible. She wont have any wrinkles besides those coming from facial expressions for decades, all this has done is endangering her and possibly ruined some of her natural face expressions. Well done on removing her from her mom.

I'm a bit torn on the issue myself. On one hand the mother did abuse the child in every sense of the way but on the other hand separating a child from its parents is always traumatizing for the child and foster homes aren't always a good thing for the child since adoption rates aren't that high. There's also bullying and acceptance to consider when you throw a child into an already established community.

I believe the mother truly cared for her child. She expressed genuine concern for the child by attempting to make it so the child wouldn't end up like her. A social worker supervising the case and the mother being forced to visit a councilor every week would have sufficed in my opinion.

Of course the media is going to paint the mother as the devil since all they care for is ratings and social workers will have no other choice but to comply since otherwise the huge public backlash would hurt their image. Sometimes I wonder what the world would be like if sensationalist "news" channels wouldn't exist.

Botox is more deadly than potassium cyanide. That is one of the most commonly used poisons in literature, and still that's not nearly as toxic as botox. She wanted her daughter to grow up shallow, while that's bad that's not a crime. She did give her daughter a highly potent neurotoxin without her legal consent. That is a serious case of child endangerment at the very least.