Poll: 8 year old Botox girl taken into care

[Zantos]

Foster care could be traumatic. On the other hand, so could staying with a mother who seems to believe winning pageants is the most important thing in her daughters life and is willing to go as far as botox for it. Plus it's fairly life endangering too.

I think at least now the girl can try to recover from what can only be socially inflicted self-esteem issues and go on to maybe get a good education and not be as stupid as her mother.

 

[conflictofinterests]

This parent was making her child a basket case with this competition and obsession with beauty. It's a damn good thing her child was taken away from her, and I'm not sure child pageantry shouldn't be shut down altogether.

 

[katsumoto03]

I'm sorry but I laughed my ass off when I read the caption below the photo.

Eight-year-old Britney Campbell says Botox injections are painful.

No shit.

That said, Botox is a toxin, right? Probably not a good idea to inject that into a little girl...

 

[JoJo]

Children's beauty pageants should be illegal. Seriously. Teaching young children that unless they happen to look picture-perfect, they're not worth a damn thing. How can anyone fail to see the harm in that?

I fail to see how beauty pageants reinforce that.

Don't get me wrong they're incredibly disturbing but I don't see anything morally wrong with them.

Because the contest is all about looks over anything else, which isn't a good lesson for a child, and tries to change them into mini-adults, which they aren't. It also tends to breed pushy parents like this mother who project their own insecurities onto their child and place pressure of them to achieve so they can live through them.

Children should be allowed to just be children, if they really want to dress up and look pretty they can do that with their friends at home, they'll have time enough when they are older to take part in contests.

It's only when people take things too far that this becomes bad. You can say that about so many things. If you ban that then you would have to start banning all things that are taken too far. So the world would be pretty much empty.

Maybe, but I struggle to see any good points to a child beauty contest, even without botox or plastic surgery. Sure, I know young girls like to dress up; my own little sister loves putting on Disney princess costumes and plastic bracelets and necklaces whenever her friends come round and that's fine. When you start seriously dressing up your child, taking them to a contest and getting others to judge them like they're a prize dog, that's when it's gone too far.

Admittedly I don't know much about beauty contest but there should be some where the competition isn't serious. Just a friendly competition but I don't know to be honest. There will be kids who enjoy contests so banning it outright might be too extreme. Maybe a change in the structure or something but we'll see. Definitely banning things like botox though.

Maybe there are some where the competition isn't serious, if there are then I with-hold judgement from those as I don't know much about them, but I still remain basically against the idea.

 

[Farseer Lolotea]

At the risk of derailing do you mean (adult) pageants should be outlawed or that they should just go away on their own.

I'd agree with the latter but not the former.

I'm not in favor of banning them outright (which would be pointless), but they shouldn't be supported, either.

 

[zeldagirl]

Children's beauty pageants should be illegal. Seriously. Teaching young children that unless they happen to look picture-perfect, they're not worth a damn thing. How can anyone fail to see the harm in that?

Word. It's exploitative and manipulative of the children, at best. Frankly, though, I think pageants in general need to be done away with, but at the very least, yeah, no more kiddie pageants.

At the risk of derailing do you mean (adult) pageants should be outlawed or that they should just go away on their own.

I'd agree with the latter but not the former.

The latter. Society needs to be mature enough to realize how ridiculous they are without there being laws about it.

 

[Ziadaine_v1legacy]

Thank god. Most selfish and dreadful mother.

 

[Womplord]

I don't think she should have been put into care... that probably only happened because there was a big media story about it. There's WAY, WAY worse stuff that goes on, and someone who needed it could have been taken into care instead of her.

 

[ParkourMcGhee]

There's a big difference between an adult choosing the treatment themselves, which I have no issue with, and a small child having their parent coax them into doing it. You may not have had much experience with young children but by their nature they are very easy to lead along and convince to believe something which for an adult would seem blindingly evident. I'll quote myself from earlier in this thread as it sums up my thoughts well:

I have a little sister who will be 8 in about 4 months, so I have experience with that age group and trust me, most young girls that age will do anything if they think it will make them "beautiful", which is why this story is so sad, because the little girl has been brainwashing into thinking she needs the treatment.

Children =/= Teens or Adults, there's a good reason they aren't responsible for themselves and if she wants to do it when she's older thats up to her but at her current age there's no way she has the maturity to decide.

I saw what you say before, but I stand by my opinion that the adults there are brainwashed themselves.

Also if a child is lead down the right path from the start they can be deceptively intelligent. One of my cousins daughters at the age of two already knows certain things about life.

I'm just upset at the world for repetitively saying "No you can't do this anymore. noo, too dangerous for you or anyone. Look at what happened there.". Possibly not so much in this case if they just ban it for the use on children, but I feel more and more tightly bound because some idiots proved that they couldn't be trusted with something.

And I feel the worlds getting dumber and dumber simply because laws and healthh&safety are replacing common sense and any sense of responsibility for ones actions (in turn also taking away the power/freedom to do those things).

THAT's the gripe I have truly.

 

[willofbob]

a message to the 14 people who believed that this is alright.
WHAT THE BLOODY HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU!???

 

[JoJo]

There's a big difference between an adult choosing the treatment themselves, which I have no issue with, and a small child having their parent coax them into doing it. You may not have had much experience with young children but by their nature they are very easy to lead along and convince to believe something which for an adult would seem blindingly evident. I'll quote myself from earlier in this thread as it sums up my thoughts well:

I have a little sister who will be 8 in about 4 months, so I have experience with that age group and trust me, most young girls that age will do anything if they think it will make them "beautiful", which is why this story is so sad, because the little girl has been brainwashing into thinking she needs the treatment.

Children =/= Teens or Adults, there's a good reason they aren't responsible for themselves and if she wants to do it when she's older thats up to her but at her current age there's no way she has the maturity to decide.

I saw what you say before, but I stand by my opinion that the adults there are brainwashed themselves.

Also if a child is lead down the right path from the start they can be deceptively intelligent. One of my cousins daughters at the age of two already knows certain things about life.

I'm just upset at the world for repetitively saying "No you can't do this anymore. noo, too dangerous for you or anyone. Look at what happened there.". Possibly not so much in this case if they just ban it for the use on children, but I feel more and more tightly bound because some idiots proved that they couldn't be trusted with something.

And I feel the worlds getting dumber and dumber simply because laws and healthh&safety are replacing common sense and any sense of responsibility for ones actions (in turn also taking away the power/freedom to do those things).

THAT's the gripe I have truly.

Children aren't stupid in the way some adults are, but they rely completely on what their care-givers teach them. The only reason this little girl wants the botox injections is that the mother has told her that she needs them to be beautiful and that being beautiful is important.

I have no gripes with adults using botox if they so wish, or doing any activity which is only dangerous to themselves, but children just can't make that decision. In this case it's less "health & safety" and more child abuse and endangerment. It's the laws duty to stop young children being hurt and so I fully support this measure.

 

[Stikibunn]

I think the mother should be put in therapy and her daughter too but the poor kid shouldn't stay in foster care. It's not a good place for a child to be, In fact possibly more dangerous then the situation she was in before.

 

[Aphex Demon]

Bollocks, I misread it.

Yeah injecting botox into your 8 Year old kid is just sick. The mother needs to get a fucking grip. Putting makeup on kids is wrong, never mind fucking botox.

 

[Trippy Turtle]

Seriously entering her in the contests was bad enough,but botox is evil.

 

[struwwelman]

OK, here's a quick question: Do any of these people realise what botox treatments consist of? Here's a clue, people: It's an extremely deadly neurotoxin that comes from a bacillus bacterium called Clostridium botulinum. Its LD[sub]50[/sub] value is 1ng per kilogram of body mass. That is what she had injected into her daughter.

What you say may be true, but to be clear: Botox injections paralyse the flesh, but aren't a risk to the patient's health.

Botox has resulted in 28 deaths between 1989 and 2003, but none were attributed to cosmetic use.

The fact that it is toxic, is, in fact largely irrelevant, what is more important is whether or not extreme beauty treatments constitute child abuse (I think they probably do).

 

[Marowit]

Child endangerment - nanograms of Botulinum toxin can kill you (the LD50 is 40ng), and so if it's injected improperly you'll be dead pretty quickly.

Seems like a pretty simple case.

More people die in car accidents and I'm willing to bet you don't call parents out for taking their children outside the house.

OT: I think Botox for anyone, let alone a child is foolish.

That's for that heads up bud; I am also sure car accidents kill more people than power tools do too, and I'd sure as hell call out a parent letting a child use one.