Poll: 80% of what you learn in school is useless?

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Azrael the Cat

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I remember when I went backpacking around Europe for 12 months when I took a year off uni (the 'go travel for a year' is a pretty common tradition amongst Australian uni students) - the Americans I ran into would constantly be laughed at by everyone else because of how poor their general knowledge was. I'm not saying they were stupid per se, but they sure came across as idiots and the perception of 'US folks are stupid' was so common on the backpacking circuit that Canadians would wear their flag sewn onto their jackets and luggage so that people knew they weren't from the US.

So from that perspective, I'd say you guys need to learn a bit MORE at school.

As a uni lecturer in Australia, I'd say the US exchange students we get are noticeably less advanced than the Australian and Asian students.

The point of most education, though, isn't to learn facts and figures. It's to learn skills - the ability to understand and calculate scientific problems, mathematical problems, logical problems, the ability to critically read and interpret literature and social-scientific models (e.g. economic models). Knowledge is forgotten about, but skills can be retained. A lot of the precise facts that you learn at skill won't be of direct use to you (though a lot of it will be important to things like casting an informed political vote), but the skills that you develop when analysing novels, doing equations and so on will benefit you greatly. Think of it like physical training for sport - learning the theory of a sporting play off by heart will have limited relevance outside that immediate play, but by training your muscles and practicing how to coordinate different movements, you develop skills that you can then maintain with less effort, and that transfer pretty well across to different sports. The same thing happens with intellectual skills - learning to critically read, say, Conrad's Heart of Darkness or Shakespeare's King Lear will give you the skills you need to critically analyse media, politics and business agreements in the future.
 

omega 616

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Seems a little high, I mean I love science but it's useless.

Most maths is useless in most jobs (I didn't even get taught what cos sin and tan do but I had a quackulater that had them on).

Religious education is useless unless you want to be a priest but church would do a better job of teaching that.

Not many kids want to be historians or geologist/landscapers.

Then again 80% seems right.
 

Doclector

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I believe pretty much everything you learn in secondary school is useless to most people. Sure, you want to be a businessman, historian, scientist, something ultra-specialised like that? Go ahead, those classes should be of use to you. But for most of us? No. The only possible use of secondary is finding out what you want to do with your life, which is to be honest something better done outside of the influence of the school system.

Personally, for what I've ended up going for, film, everything from secondary is useless. I've got my basic reading writing and math, and while I found history interesting, it's never helped me much. Really, all I needed for film was creativity and the following film course at college, and if you can teach creativity, then someone go book Michael Bay a class right now.

Of course, secondary is indispensible to our scumbag government. The rules of secondary pretty much teach you to ignore your human rights in preparation for a life of bowing to the government. Do not speak in class, inclusive of questioning the teacher, covering free speech. You go where we tell you; Freedom of movement. Even free thought; You are never allowed to question the truth of what you are being taught. You are told sit, listen, and obey. If you don't they punish you. So, a load of people go into the outside world, only having what others have told them as intelligence, and thinking that "anything for a quiet life" is a good policy, even when "anything" includes basic human rights.

And for all those saying about skills leading to better jobs, I have 6 C+ GCSE's, including an A in english literature. Three years on, still no damn job.
 

Dzil

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Actually, one of the most important things we learn in school has less to do with the ABCs, and more how to get along with different people with different backgrounds and ideas. But there's no grade/recognition for that. School is all about who can do well on tests, remember and regurgitate facts, etc. The useful 10-20% is the problem solving and conceptual understanding, whereas the uselessness of all that fact memorization becomes apparent now that we have google.
 
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id say 50/50, some of it is intirely useless depending on your profession, me personally, i will never use any literature or english class i ever took, it was entirely useless to me. Math/sciences i will use forever and ever but easily half the classmates i had wont ever touch it again, so alot of its useless but regardless we need to learn it so we have done the work...
 

Robyrt

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The older I get, the more stuff I thought I would never use again turns out to be useful. At this point, it's pretty much just science that has no relevance to my life, and I have no doubt that high school chemistry is going to be awesome someday too.
 

rockyoumonkeys

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It's probably been said, but how much of what you learn being "useless" is up to each person.

You make a decision to discard what you learned and work in a field that doesn't require it. Other people take what they learn and look for fields that make use of it.

If you think what you learned is useless, it's because you pretty much decided you didn't WANT it to be of any use.
 

LastMondaysHangover

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Being a Marketing major, I'd have to say that around maybe 30% of the things you learn is useless. If you were to ask me what I learned that won't be of any use to me is, I'd have to say my Social Welfare courses. I used to be a Social Work major before I switched
 

Xojins

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Bocaj2000 said:
Why do people insist that the public school system is broken? I see no problem with it.
It depends on which country you live in. If you live in the US and don't see anything wrong with it, you probably live in a decent area and have one of the good schools in that area.

Edit: OT: It's definitely not 80%, probably something more like 25-30%.
 

Thaius

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School, no. 30%-50%, sure, but not 80%. College, on the other hand, absolutely. Most of it is either a retread of what you learned in high school or just useless in its own right. College is for the degree more than the knowledge.

But imagine the things you wouldn't know if you had never been to school. Not a pretty picture.
 

Teh Magic Man

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High school is basically day-prison for teenagers. Cant have them running around unguarded all day. Stupid teens....

Anyways I would have to agree with that claim. Most of what I learned i can't remember, which leads me to the conclusion that I haven't used any of it since i was paroled from day prison.
 

DustyDrB

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There's more to learning than just than learning systems and methods. Sometimes, they're just teaching you things that make you a more well-rounded person. A lot of people would never figure out what they really want to do with their lives if they weren't exposed to the full-spectrum taught in schools and (especially) liberal arts universities.
 

luckshot

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10-30%

it partly depends on what you do later in life, like shop class is completely useless if you never do any workshoping later.

history leads to being able to put current events into perspective...which would be useless if you don't care about the current world

and math is useless if you work for the government (as the answer is always another $10,000,000,000)
 

Cazza

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Falseprophet said:
Cazza said:
What you really Learn at school is how to learn. The content isn't that helpful in normal life.
That's basically what my science teacher said in my first year of high school, and he was right. Socializing with your peers/age cohort is another important thing, because living in modern Western societies, we don't have a lot of shared cultural experiences.
A few of my teacher told me that. By then I already knew thats what school was for.

Question: When will we use it in life?

Answer: never it's a building block for higher learning.

That was the most common FAQ at school.
 

AhumbleKnight

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One of the most important jobs of primary and secondary school is not to jam facts into your head as many people seem to think, but to teach you how to learn, study, and self teach. Do all schools manage this? Not as much as they should but I think they do better than most people realise.