Poll: A Geek Bar?

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The_Chief

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maybe you could have a bar with a few arcade games, and then a room that is either behind or under the regular bar that is more gaming inclined. big screen tvs xboxs and tabletop gaming tables. but yea dont market it as solely a geek oriented place. you could cater to all. if i was of age i'd take a few buddies and go yea. and if i lived in canada.
 

IHaveNoCoolness

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While a lot of people have said some things that seem like good idea's here's the problem I have.

It's a niche market and you're compartmentilizing it even further. Especially the guy who suggested you have seperate rooms and areas for this, and this and this and this. You really only have so much space.

For a theme bar to be successful, you generally would want it to be in a very desirable neighbourhood (Ie: a place with other bars or a touristy kind of district), however, to secure space like that, it's expensive. By trying to cater to every kind of type of geek I think you're basically dooming yourself to failure by securing such a large retail space you can't possibily hope to fill it on weekdays your weekend profit can't keep the weekday area afloat. You'd need a small to medium sized area and would need to focus on one type of geek-dom.

Pedro, if you're looking for a place where people can hang out, read a book, chill out, then open a coffee shop or an evening cafe. Serve gourmet coffee's, have nice lounging chairs for reading. Open a coffee shop. People will come and do that. Offer free Wi-Fi with purchase of coffee and you're gold. Even still, trying to compete with big chain coffee stores is a real gamble in this economy, you'd need to offer something else. And your gamer theme just might be the thing... but I just don't see it happening.

Thought exercise: Think of a successful bar in your neighbourhood. Think about the operating costs for it's televisions for the sporting events you condemn... they have cable subscription and whatever they pay outright for TV plus minor electrical operations (and I guess pay-per-view amounts). Now imagine trying build a gaming themed bar. You're either going to need 10-20 gaming rigs, plus software, plus subscription fee (WoW, etc), ISP charges or you're going to need 10-20 extensive gaming set-ups with consoles. Including the console, the controllers, the games, ISP charges, etc. Plus you're buying new software every month... and a lot of it... So much overhead! That's not even thinking about the power consumption! It doesn't seem like much, but try running 20 TVs and consoles for 8 hours/night a week... It'll add up. That's not even including any capital you might need to do for site renovations to facilitate that amound of power flow. Think of the outlets you'd need? And the electrical panel! How many breakers would you need!

Plus, as someone pointed out, alcohol, plus expensive gaming equipment? Yikes! So then you might think... 'Okay, well I'll charge for the useage of that stuff...' That's fine, but how much... price it too much and nobody will come. Heck, I think a large portion of people wouldn't come just because they own it at home even if you charged nothing. Then you might think, 'well we wont provide those services'. But nobody is going to go to a gaming themed bar to not play games.

A bar generates it's revenue from it's alcohol beverage sales. I think a gaming related bar is a terrible idea. Even if you get all those things and you break even with your service charges for using the equipment with your intial investment, your upkeep and maintinence and software purchases, people who are playing games are not going to be inclined to purchase very many beverages in my opinion, and there goes your profit. How do you pay yourself for your time to organize all this stuff...

So yeah... that's a big no. I don't think it's a good idea.
 

Sergeant M. Fudgey

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It doesn't need to be a bar, there's a place not far from my house, they have board games, tabletop games (D$D, WH40K, etc.), card games and video games. They let you rent the video games AND PLAY THEM ON TV'S IN THE STORE. They have one of each of the main systems, PS3, Wii, Xbox 360 and a few others. They also have all sorts of gaming nights, gaming classes, and other things for us geeks to do.
 

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The idea is a novel one, and on the big ol IF that you could find an arrangement to make it work financially and have the crowd you'd want and need, I would be immensely happy for you. But as the many have said and Senor IHaveNoCoolness elaborated on, getting it to work would be improbable. But who knows, with the right business savvy and a little creativity? If you decide to work for it, I'd cheer for you.
 

Nmil-ek

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How geeky are we talking here? Im a stylish guy I jsut like to play alot of games and happen to love hardware/anime and the odd fantasy story.

Eh aslong as they would serve Jack Daniels and we could fight without getting barred id be in :p
 
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EeveeElectro

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Haha, that'd be awesome.

They'd serve milk, water and apple juice instead of beer.
There'd be a PS3 in one corner, and XBox in the other and so on.
The pub quiz would be about video games, science, maths, anime and other geeky things.
Wow.
 

Zersy

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PedroSteckecilo said:
A couple of friends and I have been discussing our disatisfaction with our current work situations, what we'd like to do with our futures and exactly what is plausible and what isn't. One idea that came up was trying to start up a Bar/Pub/Tavern that catered to the geek set rather than the standard assortment of Sports Bars, Neighboorhood Pubs and Irish Pubs that pepper the landscape here in Calgary. So the question I pose to the socially geeky residents of The Escapists is as follows...

Would you go to a Geek Bar?
What would make a Geek Bar both appealing to Geeks and not totally off putting to the casual walk in customer?
Does anyone know anything about running such an operation?
Yes i would go to the geek bar

Make have a modern theme that will level it out for geeks and casual folk

nope i have no idea how to
 

IHaveNoCoolness

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Sergeant M. Fudgey said:
It doesn't need to be a bar, there's a place not far from my house, they have board games, tabletop games (D$D, WH40K, etc.), card games and video games. They let you rent the video games AND PLAY THEM ON TV'S IN THE STORE. They have one of each of the main systems, PS3, Wii, Xbox 360 and a few others. They also have all sorts of gaming nights, gaming classes, and other things for us geeks to do.
Well, then open a game store.

Pedro was asking if a geek friendly pub/bar/tavern would work.

If you're saying it doesn't need to be a bar, then you're missing the whole question at the top of the thread...

Is a place that people go to drink and a place that people go to play games fuseable?

No. I don't think so. I've elaborated to great lengths earlier.

Sure, he could open a gamesroom and have tabletop gaming and TCG's and video games, etc. But then he should just open a Gamestore... And yeah, is a gamestore viable? Yes. There are tons out there and if you model your business after them, you should have reasonable success. But the whole point of the thread is "A Geek Bar?". Don't give the poor guy a bunch of false hope that a ton of geeks are going to show up to his Apple Juice only Bar... or that you're going to go there and pay to play games you own at home.
 

Sergeant M. Fudgey

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IHaveNoCoolness said:
Sergeant M. Fudgey said:
It doesn't need to be a bar, there's a place not far from my house, they have board games, tabletop games (D$D, WH40K, etc.), card games and video games. They let you rent the video games AND PLAY THEM ON TV'S IN THE STORE. They have one of each of the main systems, PS3, Wii, Xbox 360 and a few others. They also have all sorts of gaming nights, gaming classes, and other things for us geeks to do.
Well, then open a game store.

Pedro was asking if a geek friendly pub/bar/tavern would work.

If you're saying it doesn't need to be a bar, then you're missing the whole question at the top of the thread...

Is a place that people go to drink and a place that people go to play games fuseable?

No. I don't think so. I've elaborated to great lengths earlier.

Sure, he could open a gamesroom and have tabletop gaming and TCG's and video games, etc. But then he should just open a Gamestore... And yeah, is a gamestore viable? Yes. There are tons out there and if you model your business after them, you should have reasonable success. But the whole point of the thread is "A Geek Bar?". Don't give the poor guy a bunch of false hope that a ton of geeks are going to show up to his Apple Juice only Bar... or that you're going to go there and pay to play games you own at home.
And in the event that the bar doesn't have to be the only thing? It could have a bar, but it doesn't have to be entirely a bar, so that younger people could also come in. What's this about apple juice? Also, if he has enough variety of games and systems, people won't need to play games they own at home. I think his idea would work, but my point is it doesn't have to be a bar ONLY. It could be a game store in one room, with a bar in another, never thought of that did you?
 

IHaveNoCoolness

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Sergeant M. Fudgey said:
IHaveNoCoolness said:
Sergeant M. Fudgey said:
It doesn't need to be a bar, there's a place not far from my house, they have board games, tabletop games (D$D, WH40K, etc.), card games and video games. They let you rent the video games AND PLAY THEM ON TV'S IN THE STORE. They have one of each of the main systems, PS3, Wii, Xbox 360 and a few others. They also have all sorts of gaming nights, gaming classes, and other things for us geeks to do.
Well, then open a game store.

Pedro was asking if a geek friendly pub/bar/tavern would work.

If you're saying it doesn't need to be a bar, then you're missing the whole question at the top of the thread...

Is a place that people go to drink and a place that people go to play games fuseable?

No. I don't think so. I've elaborated to great lengths earlier.

Sure, he could open a gamesroom and have tabletop gaming and TCG's and video games, etc. But then he should just open a Gamestore... And yeah, is a gamestore viable? Yes. There are tons out there and if you model your business after them, you should have reasonable success. But the whole point of the thread is "A Geek Bar?". Don't give the poor guy a bunch of false hope that a ton of geeks are going to show up to his Apple Juice only Bar... or that you're going to go there and pay to play games you own at home.
And in the event that the bar doesn't have to be the only thing? It could have a bar, but it doesn't have to be entirely a bar, so that younger people could also come in. What's this about apple juice? Also, if he has enough variety of games and systems, people won't need to play games they own at home. I think his idea would work, but my point is it doesn't have to be a bar ONLY. It could be a game store in one room, with a bar in another, never thought of that did you?
Liqour licensing is a very tricky thing.

I have a hard time imagining the legal hoops one would have to jump through to get licensing for a video game store with an attached bar... The mixed signals that would send to children about drinking is a bit of a slippery slope. At least in Canada where myself and Pedro both live.

However, you're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. I've given my reasons why I don't think it work, and I think I've made a pretty compelling arguement why this wouldn't work. There have been many good points and ideas brought forth by the Escapists on this and a lot of optimism and people pretty gung ho about the idea, but I still don't think it will work.

Even if you had a place where minors could hang that was seperate from the bar, I still don't think that's what Pedro had in mind. No offense to the minors on this thread, but when adults go to find a nice place to chill out and relax, they don't want a bunch of kids around.