Poll: Abortion- What's your position and why?

[Laverre]

I have two very, very good friends who were raped (one with a pregnancy, one with out) and I'm basing my opinion off of what they've told me about their life and the difficulties that they've had to go through as a result. For the record, the one with the pregnancy carried the baby to term and gave him up for adoption. She's at peace with knowing she didn't take the selfish route and gave the child a chance. The other friend said she would have done the same.

Like I said my deepest respect for her decision, but to be honest doesn't change much.
How someone can cope with such an experience differs very much from person to person. I've known some who coped with it quite well and especially one girl, who really what's the way to describe it.. erm broke because of it.
So do I think it's better to get the child and give it up for adoption? Yes
Do I dare to judge women in that position and try to make them feel especially guilty, if they decide they just can't have it? Absolutely not.
Yes one has a responsibilty, but not only to your potential child, you have one for yourself too.

Which is exactly what I was stating earlier about there being emotional and physical trauma with abortion as well as carrying a child to term. Many of us have never said abortion is with out consequence, but I have said it is the "easy" way out. What's easier? Dealing with emotional and physical stress and not having to worry about a child because you can't deal with it/aren't ready for it/never wanted it? Or going through a 9 month pregnancy, dealing with the emotional and physical stress over that time period and then giving the child up for adoption or :gasp: heaven forbid actually caring for the child.

Guess this too depends on the woman in question, sounds like the one who had the 9 months pregnancy and gave it up to adoption, had it easier. Doing the whole pregnancy is surely an emotional and physical effort, but after that you have a good conscience, you did the right thing, your child lives etc. maybe like you said you are even happy with it in the end.
You do the whole abortion thing and it isn't because you hate kids, the one helped creating it and everything they stand for, the emotional selfdoubts, selfhatred and question may follow you a lot longer than those 9 months.
Do you really think that this is always easier?

 

[LCP]

Her choice.

Why force another unwanted baby into the world due to a silly accident. The life of an unwanted or resented child can be full of more pain than any abortion can cause.

Ridiculous, It's her mistake and child pays for it? fuck no! If she makes the child's life living hell, then toss her in jail.

It can't think, it doesn't have a personality. It. is. dead.

Its your actions that caused it, you should have to keep it.

 

[Hades74]

Pro abortion

1- Sanctity of life is bullsh#t
2- Overpopulation
3- Raped women
4- If you really want to be politically correct you should allow it because unless the fetus has a well-grown/developed brain it is nothing other than a soulless growth, therefore only thing against it is religion which isn't fair to atheists.
5- All this is would basically be a bunch of religious fanatics taking their opportunity to controll other people because they can't just STFU and give them freedom who are they to "save" them from doing what isn't even clear if it's right or wrong.<Takes out a 50$ bill> I bet this on the fact that any con-abortion that gets raped will cave and change her views.

 

[Gerazzi]

ALRIGHT here's my view on this controversial topic:

It's alright before the fetus can think and is human.

So I guess I'm pro choice under those circumstances.

 

[Seanchaidh]

Well I?m catholic, so naturally I?m against anything that prevents or kills life; wouldn?t you feel angry if someone started killing the plants and digging up the seeds in your garden? Well that?s how God feels about the people who selfishly kill their babies for their own benefit. You do not have your own body, and when you die it will cease being yours again, so what right do you have to question what happens to it?

I think what people do is their own business in a way, but I really do get quite frustrated with people who can?t appreciate the value of God?s will, and refuse to accept events, even events that seem evil or wrong or accidental, have been decided by our lord. I can only hope that I have touched a handful of people with this message.

To make sure I'm understanding your determinism, events that seem evil or wrong such as, say, an abortion, have been decided by this lord of yours?

 

[Hades74]

Her choice.

Why force another unwanted baby into the world due to a silly accident. The life of an unwanted or resented child can be full of more pain than any abortion can cause.

Ridiculous, It's her mistake and child pays for it? fuck no! If she makes the child's life living hell, then toss her in jail.

It can't think, it doesn't have a personality. It. is. dead.

Its your actions that caused it, you should have to keep it.

Do you feel the same way for every squished bug? If not you're a hypocrite and wishing to die and not being able to is worse than death, due to that it's more ethical let that being die than to live in shitty conditions. Also I am given an impression that you are constantly putting yourself in the position of the kid but never the mother... how about it?

 

[Seanchaidh]

Her choice.

Why force another unwanted baby into the world due to a silly accident. The life of an unwanted or resented child can be full of more pain than any abortion can cause.

Ridiculous, It's her mistake and child pays for it? fuck no! If she makes the child's life living hell, then toss her in jail.

It can't think, it doesn't have a personality. It. is. dead.

Its your actions that caused it, you should have to keep it.

So if I make a sandcastle, I have to keep it? I'm not within my rights to knock it over? Here's the impasse: he thinks it is or may as well be dead. You think there's something that makes it (a lot) more worthwhile than a sandcastle. Your response here didn't engage his point at all-- which is why my comparison to a sandcastle works; I made it, so I have to keep it. That view moves from ridiculous to plausible when you assume what he just denied, that the fetus should be considered as a person. Just asserting your point doesn't really do much.

 

[Hades74]

Pro-Choice. Also, I think you should be given an IQ test (as well as the father) and if ether of you do worse than 110 there should be a forced abortion.

Natural selection ^^

 

[ValentineMocker]

I think what people do is their own business in a way, but I really do get quite frustrated with people who can't appreciate the value of God's will, and refuse to accept events, even events that seem evil or wrong or accidental, have been decided by our lord. I can only hope that I have touched a handful of people with this message.

Sorry, saying, "You know, it sucks that this young girl was raped and tortured for days before she died, but God wanted this," is going to rub a lot of people the wrong way, and rightfully so. It's a bunch of feel good bullshit so we can cope with atrocities, and it directly conflicts with the notion of a benevolent god. Maybe God is unknowable and all that jazz, that could be true, but to a lot of people, such as myself, it just sounds like bullshit. No, that tragedy was not caused by god, it was caused by either a) other human beings, in some cases, like you and me, or b) by forces beyond our control, such as the elements. There was no overarching purpose to their death. It sucks, but it's true. The best we can do is try to prevent senseless deaths whenever possible.

 

[xxcloud417xx]

Pro choice all the way, I see a fetus as a non human until a few months, therefore human rights do not apply. The woman, on the other hand has her own human rights to think about.

 

[dontlooknow]

Well I?m catholic, so naturally I?m against anything that prevents or kills life; wouldn?t you feel angry if someone started killing the plants and digging up the seeds in your garden? Well that?s how God feels about the people who selfishly kill their babies for their own benefit. You do not have your own body, and when you die it will cease being yours again, so what right do you have to question what happens to it?

I think what people do is their own business in a way, but I really do get quite frustrated with people who can?t appreciate the value of God?s will, and refuse to accept events, even events that seem evil or wrong or accidental, have been decided by our lord. I can only hope that I have touched a handful of people with this message.

To make sure I'm understanding your determinism, events that seem evil or wrong such as, say, an abortion, have been decided by this lord of yours?

Not quite: I accept that what happens to me happens for a reason, whether I do or do not understand that reason is beyond the point because I feel it my duty to take what happens to me and accept it as God's Will. I get frustrated with people who are not happy with God?s judgement and try to change things ?for the better? because humans are not capable of judging what it right and what is wrong.

Pro abortion

1- Sanctity of life is bullsh#t
2- Overpopulation
3- Raped women
4- If you really want to be politically correct you should allow it because unless the fetus has a well-grown/developed brain it is nothing other than a soulless growth, therefore only thing against it is religion which isn't fair to atheists.
5- All this is would basically be a bunch of religious fanatics taking their opportunity to controll other people because they can't just STFU and give them freedom who are they to "save" them from doing what isn't even clear if it's right or wrong.<Takes out a 50$ bill> I bet this on the fact that any con-abortion that gets raped will cave and change her views.

I think you might have mistaken the 'soulless growth' of an organism like a bacterium, with the growth of a capsule that contains a soul; have you considered that if one kills a foetus while it is still developing, its physical existence is being annihilated along with its God-given spirit?

Don?t forget that there is more to a human life than the body

 

[ValentineMocker]

Pro-Choice. Also, I think you should be given an IQ test (as well as the father) and if ether of you do worse than 110 there should be a forced abortion.

Natural selection ^^

Just so you know, natural selection is done by nature, and it ONLY maximizes reproductive success. It's not inherently a good thing. Since it's not nature doing the selection in this case, and it's people, it's called eugenics. I'm sure you can find more about its history if you care google "eugenics."

 

[Seanchaidh]

Well I?m catholic, so naturally I?m against anything that prevents or kills life; wouldn?t you feel angry if someone started killing the plants and digging up the seeds in your garden? Well that?s how God feels about the people who selfishly kill their babies for their own benefit. You do not have your own body, and when you die it will cease being yours again, so what right do you have to question what happens to it?

I think what people do is their own business in a way, but I really do get quite frustrated with people who can?t appreciate the value of God?s will, and refuse to accept events, even events that seem evil or wrong or accidental, have been decided by our lord. I can only hope that I have touched a handful of people with this message.

To make sure I'm understanding your determinism, events that seem evil or wrong such as, say, an abortion, have been decided by this lord of yours?

Not quite: I accept that what happens to me happens for a reason, whether I do or do not understand that reason is beyond the point because I feel it my duty to take what happens to me and accept it as God's Will. I get frustrated with people who are not happy with God?s judgement and try to change things ?for the better? because humans are not capable of judging what it right and what is wrong.

Why do you eat, then? Why don't you think it's God's will for you to starve to death; what makes you intervene and prevent your death?

 

[Hades74]

Pro-Choice. Also, I think you should be given an IQ test (as well as the father) and if ether of you do worse than 110 there should be a forced abortion.

Natural selection ^^

Just so you know, natural selection is done by nature, and it ONLY maximizes reproductive success. It's not inherently a good thing. Since it's not nature doing the selection in this case, and it's people, it's called eugenics. I'm sure you can find more about its history if you care google "eugenics."

^^ <--- See that? that means I was smiling and/or laughing means I wasn't serious, means I was only thinking it's ironic of people doing it instead of nature, means that I'm not a dumba## -_-''









( -_-'' <---means frustrated by attempts of smarta#s-ness)

 

[scbunchy]

If it was never born, it was never alive.

If it was never alive then how is it a doctor can kill it. A lot of people use terms like "get rid" but you are in fact killing a baby. You're DNA has been mapped out from the moment of conception. Just because you're alive in your mother's womb doesn't mean you're not alive. At what exact point do you believe a fetus becomes a baby? When it is born? It has a heartbeat a long time before that. Also, in the case of rape victims, I don't believe the baby should be punished for the crimes of the father. However I'm a man so I can never say for sure that's how I'd feel if it happened to me.

 

[Hades74]

Well I?m catholic, so naturally I?m against anything that prevents or kills life; wouldn?t you feel angry if someone started killing the plants and digging up the seeds in your garden? Well that?s how God feels about the people who selfishly kill their babies for their own benefit. You do not have your own body, and when you die it will cease being yours again, so what right do you have to question what happens to it?

I think what people do is their own business in a way, but I really do get quite frustrated with people who can?t appreciate the value of God?s will, and refuse to accept events, even events that seem evil or wrong or accidental, have been decided by our lord. I can only hope that I have touched a handful of people with this message.

To make sure I'm understanding your determinism, events that seem evil or wrong such as, say, an abortion, have been decided by this lord of yours?

Not quite: I accept that what happens to me happens for a reason, whether I do or do not understand that reason is beyond the point because I feel it my duty to take what happens to me and accept it as God's Will. I get frustrated with people who are not happy with God?s judgement and try to change things ?for the better? because humans are not capable of judging what it right and what is wrong.

Pro abortion

1- Sanctity of life is bullsh#t
2- Overpopulation
3- Raped women
4- If you really want to be politically correct you should allow it because unless the fetus has a well-grown/developed brain it is nothing other than a soulless growth, therefore only thing against it is religion which isn't fair to atheists.
5- All this is would basically be a bunch of religious fanatics taking their opportunity to controll other people because they can't just STFU and give them freedom who are they to "save" them from doing what isn't even clear if it's right or wrong.<Takes out a 50$ bill> I bet this on the fact that any con-abortion that gets raped will cave and change her views.

I think you might have mistaken the 'soulless growth' of an organism like a bacterium, with the growth of a capsule that contains a soul; have you considered that if one kills a foetus while it is still developing, its physical existence is being annihilated along with its God-given spirit?

Don?t forget that there is more to a human life than the body

That's an opinion not fact, unless you consider electrical impulses as a soul in that case I kill and resurrect few hundred lightbulbs in my life a day.

Soul to me is but a metaphor of a personality and life essence.

 

[LCP]

Her choice.

Why force another unwanted baby into the world due to a silly accident. The life of an unwanted or resented child can be full of more pain than any abortion can cause.

Ridiculous, It's her mistake and child pays for it? fuck no! If she makes the child's life living hell, then toss her in jail.

It can't think, it doesn't have a personality. It. is. dead.

Its your actions that caused it, you should have to keep it.

So if I make a sandcastle, I have to keep it? I'm not within my rights to knock it over? Here's the impasse: he thinks it is or may as well be dead. You think there's something that makes it (a lot) more worthwhile than a sandcastle. Your response here didn't engage his point at all-- which is why my comparison to a sandcastle works; I made it, so I have to keep it. That view moves from ridiculous to plausible when you assume what he just denied, that the fetus should be considered as a person. Just asserting your point doesn't really do much.

Oh sorry i missed the right to kill.

 

[Mavand]

If the parents or parent don't want it they should have the right to remove it also they could use it for stem cell research so everybody wins the baby was never truly alive anyway.

 

[compensating]

It's nice to see that most of the people here at escapist are already indoctrinated.

 

[julia_sterling]

killing a fetus isn't any different then killing a bug

That's screwed up. Imma go ahead and take it as sarcasm.

how is that screwed up?

calling a kid a bug is screwed up, time to sleep. I will debate some more Tomorrow!

well as a fetus they are as small as one soo it kind makes sense, that and they dont think/have emotions .
Don't worry, I look forward, its fun to see other peoples opinions on such trivial matters

but they do respond to music, Ahha!


Here is my point of view in the topic, Anyone who has becomes pregnant (with a perfectly good baby) and its her fault deserves to keep it. I see abortion as a way of avoiding responsibility for your actions.

Um you do know bugs/insects and plants respond to music even though they dont have ears Le Gasp! So the point your trying to make isn?t working, try another one

yes but then if they are denied that they will only find a worse way to get rid of it, human beings today are adapt to not taking responsibility of things ,besides
the unlucky ones born into those kind of situations suffer , a lot I?ll have you know . In essence I think its better just to get rid of a fetus if you don?t want it
don?t go saying adoption on me either, nine times out a ten people don?t think about it , plus thinking about the poor thing that was shoved in an adoption place has to put up with multiple issues that aren?t exactly pleasant