Poll: Altair, Ezio or Connor
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The whole accent thing was from the Animus (yeah I know it's kind of a cop-out but at least it's respectable and makes sense) and later on, in Revelations, he has a proper accent to his English.Zen Bard said:
Ezio was indeed a baller but that was it, he was basicly just Nathan Drake of the Renaissance, while Altair had a mysterious aura, someone who you could tell deep down had a constant pain, and lets not forget he would win in a fight
I've only played AC 1 and 2, so my impressions are from there only.
Ezio seemed to grow and develop a lot more than Altair. Well, technically Altair did, but it was through standing around, talking so wooden and not doing a whole lot of anything (other than stabbing). The game has better philosophy, but damn is Altair boring in that game. Part of it is his problem, part of it is the cutscene and gameplay style. To be honest, I preferred Malik in that game.
So ya, Ezio for being a whole lot more likable with a more engaging story arc. That summarizes most of my points.
Ezio seemed to grow and develop a lot more than Altair. Well, technically Altair did, but it was through standing around, talking so wooden and not doing a whole lot of anything (other than stabbing). The game has better philosophy, but damn is Altair boring in that game. Part of it is his problem, part of it is the cutscene and gameplay style. To be honest, I preferred Malik in that game.
So ya, Ezio for being a whole lot more likable with a more engaging story arc. That summarizes most of my points.
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I'm really hoping we get to jump in the shoes of a new protagonist. I honestly hope for something in Japan. Because when you think of assassin's what comes to mind? NINJA! I think it would be pretty cool if we got to see that particular part of history come to life. It would be perfect as its in the Edo period. Smells like the next place to go to me.Jaeke said:
Ezio for a few obvious reasons.
Well written character - Likeable but not lacking in depth.
Tons of character development.
Strongest game(s) in the series.
Altair definitely earns a place in my heart though, although he's your classic cocky-hothead-turned-wise-badass trope he still becomes more likable than that atrocity that is Conner.
Well written character - Likeable but not lacking in depth.
Tons of character development.
Strongest game(s) in the series.
Altair definitely earns a place in my heart though, although he's your classic cocky-hothead-turned-wise-badass trope he still becomes more likable than that atrocity that is Conner.
At no point does Altair have skills up to par with Ezio and Connor. Granted, you could put that down to gameplay development, but actually that doesn't explain it either.
Ezio and Connor are basically equals, just different. The vast gulf between Ezio's first game and Connor's game doesn't put a big gulf between their skill levels, so gameplay development isn't really a factor in that regard.
Even when they went back and revisited Altair he hadn't gotten much better. He was STILL mediocre for a "main" assassin. By the time he shows up in Revelations he had reached Ezio's early Assassin's Creed 2 skill levels.
Altair was good at fighting big slow knights and whatnot, but Connor, and Ezio especially, had to deal with some seriously skilled enemies far beyond anything Altair dealt with.
Altair was good enough to deal with the threats he faced, but then those were pathetic compared to what his successors regularly dealt with MUCH more skillfully.
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Beyond all that though, Altair's biggest downside is his utter lack of personality. Beyond his identity as an assassin, Altair basically doesn't exist. The closest he comes to even BEING a character is when he's being an asshole. He may as well be an NPC background character.
If they intend for Altair to be a compelling protagonist, they BADLY need to go back and remake Assassin's Creed 1.
Hell, that game was basically a proof of concept tech demo for the series that they didn't have time to make into an actual game, and Altair is fitting in that sense. He's a placeholder for an actual character that they apparently didn't get around to developing.
Ezio and Connor are basically equals, just different. The vast gulf between Ezio's first game and Connor's game doesn't put a big gulf between their skill levels, so gameplay development isn't really a factor in that regard.
Even when they went back and revisited Altair he hadn't gotten much better. He was STILL mediocre for a "main" assassin. By the time he shows up in Revelations he had reached Ezio's early Assassin's Creed 2 skill levels.
Altair was good at fighting big slow knights and whatnot, but Connor, and Ezio especially, had to deal with some seriously skilled enemies far beyond anything Altair dealt with.
Altair was good enough to deal with the threats he faced, but then those were pathetic compared to what his successors regularly dealt with MUCH more skillfully.
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Beyond all that though, Altair's biggest downside is his utter lack of personality. Beyond his identity as an assassin, Altair basically doesn't exist. The closest he comes to even BEING a character is when he's being an asshole. He may as well be an NPC background character.
If they intend for Altair to be a compelling protagonist, they BADLY need to go back and remake Assassin's Creed 1.
Hell, that game was basically a proof of concept tech demo for the series that they didn't have time to make into an actual game, and Altair is fitting in that sense. He's a placeholder for an actual character that they apparently didn't get around to developing.
Ezio, because he fought the pope in hand to hand combat. Who among us can possibly make the same claim?
Altair was the best, the guy seemed the most dedicated to the group. I mean he willingly gave up a finger for his devotion, can any of the other guys say that they did anything like that?
Altair,hands down and what the others have said helped me also find what I find most compelling about Altair.Before I go on I'd like to say that I'm genuinely surprised how many votes Altair has,I honestly though everyone liked Ezio better because "he has a character".
Altair starts as an assassin and makes his biggest screw up from arrogance,so our quest was also a journey for the character too,so he could fix his own mess with his own effort.With each target he killed he learned more,he started asking questions,he was touching philosophical themes head on.He,and we as the players were uncovering a conspiracy step by step.The Templars also sought peace,just like the Assassin order,and most of them sound convincing enough to make our arrogant prick start doubting himself and his beliefs and evolve into a better personality.Alright,he has no real characterization and he's monotone,but isn't Agent 47 the same,yet many love him?That leaves some room incorporate ourselves into the character,I guess that worked for me.Also I LOVE his character design,it adds a simple,but unique look without completely decimating our suspension of disbelief.Also he was the closest thing to an actual assassin(hashashin more correctly) who could approach the targets methodically and stealthily,just so he can make a public execution.As he mentions "A good assassin makes sure his kill gets noticed."<- that's what real hashashins did,they killed notable people and were paid to do so.
So in the end I overlook his lack of character and monotone voice,because of his role,conversations and design,which I enjoy thoroughly.Besides his character keeps developing throughout the series,if anyone made the effort to actually READ the codex pages in AC2,they'd notice that Altair had become a wise philosopher,which I find fitting for him as an assassin who brings death in the name of peace.However he felt different in what I watched in Revelations,probably he softened up through his later years,which I guess is an understandable development,but it wasn't exactly the Altair I remember in AC1.
And now Ezio,our lovable rouge,who was seeking revenge,then gets tired of it,then more tragedies strike,he starts getting angsty again,but then he finds forgiveness again,then he does things,while searching for the Mcguffin,in Instanbul connected to the Sultan's throne...Uhh,yeah this pretty much shows my problem with Ezio,even though I've only played AC2,which was enough to show me why I don't like him as much.(Brohood and Revs I've only watched let's plays of)
Starts as a happy young noble,who has wild nights and fights,then his family gets killed,and our hero goes in a quest for revenge,becomes an assassin,learns that the conspiracy is more important and starts falling in line,just to become Mary Sue for 20 hours and FINALLY have some kind of closure AT THE VERY END of the damn game.That's a smooth transition from the lack of character development since he left Florence.So his "character" and personal story is all over the place and the support characters are distractions from our main plot.That's what started the trend in AssCreed games to become these bloated toy boxes filled with distractions and Ezio suffered greatly because of it.Also his character design,while unique and stylish is too cluttered,kind of like the game itself.I mean the guy is wearing an entire laundry basket and still climbs and sprints hundreds of meters.
But in the end Ezio was an OK character,but I'm just more attached to Altair,probably because I'm kind of like him the most of the time cold,monotone,yet philosophical.
And Connor,I've never watched him,because I haven't paid any attention to AC3,but by what many have written,I doubt he can be better than Altair for me.Though I'm intrigued in Haytham and Avelyne (their models belong in the multiplayer I believe).
And while on the subject of AssCreed,why are they carrying big long weapons that stick out on the side,making it blatantly obvious that they're armed to the teeth?Wouldn't the dagger,which is much easier to hide and conveniently plays just like a sword.And a hidden blade which replaces your nameless finger>double hidden blades,whose sleeves allowed you to block heavy,hard,sharp steel.Just conceptually more appealing to me,nothing more.Also I generally approve of AC2's additions to the assassin's kit.
EDIT: Let me go on a rant about their respective model design: Altair's outfit was practical,while being unique,as for Ezio's it just looks silly to me.Finally the default assassin outfit on Ezio is horrible,it's not even white,it's washed out and grey-ish,just not something pretty to look at.And the arm cloak,oh,the arm cloak,so many times in the way of our hero's hand and so many times proving to be completely useless feature to the model's design.It should have been a normal cloak,just like in Revelations,but no,Brohood also gets it.The cloak doesn't even hide the blade,because it already IS hidden under the wrist,so it doesn't serve its supposed purpose.Yes this is how much I loath Ezio's design,hence I switched to Altair's outfit and dealt with the invisible right hidden blade,not showing the blade through his cut finger and the throwing knives were always on him at all times,these are the little details that supported my suspension of disbelief and were quite pleasant in AC1.
Connor is the same deal as Ezio,maybe not as cluttered as AC2 or Brohood,but it's still there.
Altair starts as an assassin and makes his biggest screw up from arrogance,so our quest was also a journey for the character too,so he could fix his own mess with his own effort.With each target he killed he learned more,he started asking questions,he was touching philosophical themes head on.He,and we as the players were uncovering a conspiracy step by step.The Templars also sought peace,just like the Assassin order,and most of them sound convincing enough to make our arrogant prick start doubting himself and his beliefs and evolve into a better personality.Alright,he has no real characterization and he's monotone,but isn't Agent 47 the same,yet many love him?That leaves some room incorporate ourselves into the character,I guess that worked for me.Also I LOVE his character design,it adds a simple,but unique look without completely decimating our suspension of disbelief.Also he was the closest thing to an actual assassin(hashashin more correctly) who could approach the targets methodically and stealthily,just so he can make a public execution.As he mentions "A good assassin makes sure his kill gets noticed."<- that's what real hashashins did,they killed notable people and were paid to do so.
So in the end I overlook his lack of character and monotone voice,because of his role,conversations and design,which I enjoy thoroughly.Besides his character keeps developing throughout the series,if anyone made the effort to actually READ the codex pages in AC2,they'd notice that Altair had become a wise philosopher,which I find fitting for him as an assassin who brings death in the name of peace.However he felt different in what I watched in Revelations,probably he softened up through his later years,which I guess is an understandable development,but it wasn't exactly the Altair I remember in AC1.
And now Ezio,our lovable rouge,who was seeking revenge,then gets tired of it,then more tragedies strike,he starts getting angsty again,but then he finds forgiveness again,then he does things,while searching for the Mcguffin,in Instanbul connected to the Sultan's throne...Uhh,yeah this pretty much shows my problem with Ezio,even though I've only played AC2,which was enough to show me why I don't like him as much.(Brohood and Revs I've only watched let's plays of)
Starts as a happy young noble,who has wild nights and fights,then his family gets killed,and our hero goes in a quest for revenge,becomes an assassin,learns that the conspiracy is more important and starts falling in line,just to become Mary Sue for 20 hours and FINALLY have some kind of closure AT THE VERY END of the damn game.That's a smooth transition from the lack of character development since he left Florence.So his "character" and personal story is all over the place and the support characters are distractions from our main plot.That's what started the trend in AssCreed games to become these bloated toy boxes filled with distractions and Ezio suffered greatly because of it.Also his character design,while unique and stylish is too cluttered,kind of like the game itself.I mean the guy is wearing an entire laundry basket and still climbs and sprints hundreds of meters.
But in the end Ezio was an OK character,but I'm just more attached to Altair,probably because I'm kind of like him the most of the time cold,monotone,yet philosophical.
And Connor,I've never watched him,because I haven't paid any attention to AC3,but by what many have written,I doubt he can be better than Altair for me.Though I'm intrigued in Haytham and Avelyne (their models belong in the multiplayer I believe).
And while on the subject of AssCreed,why are they carrying big long weapons that stick out on the side,making it blatantly obvious that they're armed to the teeth?Wouldn't the dagger,which is much easier to hide and conveniently plays just like a sword.And a hidden blade which replaces your nameless finger>double hidden blades,whose sleeves allowed you to block heavy,hard,sharp steel.Just conceptually more appealing to me,nothing more.Also I generally approve of AC2's additions to the assassin's kit.
EDIT: Let me go on a rant about their respective model design: Altair's outfit was practical,while being unique,as for Ezio's it just looks silly to me.Finally the default assassin outfit on Ezio is horrible,it's not even white,it's washed out and grey-ish,just not something pretty to look at.And the arm cloak,oh,the arm cloak,so many times in the way of our hero's hand and so many times proving to be completely useless feature to the model's design.It should have been a normal cloak,just like in Revelations,but no,Brohood also gets it.The cloak doesn't even hide the blade,because it already IS hidden under the wrist,so it doesn't serve its supposed purpose.Yes this is how much I loath Ezio's design,hence I switched to Altair's outfit and dealt with the invisible right hidden blade,not showing the blade through his cut finger and the throwing knives were always on him at all times,these are the little details that supported my suspension of disbelief and were quite pleasant in AC1.
Connor is the same deal as Ezio,maybe not as cluttered as AC2 or Brohood,but it's still there.
It's a toss between Ezio and Haytham, for me. Ezio has the classic Italian charm going for him, and I'd almost like to spend some time by a fireplace with Haytham, talking about the state of 1750s proto-America.
Right up until that one thing. Which most people will know if they've played the game but that I will not spoil. That one goddamned thing.
Right up until that one thing. Which most people will know if they've played the game but that I will not spoil. That one goddamned thing.
If "that one little thing" is the same thing that I'm thinking it is, then I'd say that, taking that into account, Haytham would actually be possibly the most facinating character in the series if they made a game about him. He would add such a unique....perspective, to how things generally play out in AC games.IamLEAM1983 said:
Can I pick Haytham? Please? He isn't a blind ideologue or impetuous youth, but still has tons of style. Seriously, he's a far more likeable and interesting character than the predominantly naive protagonists of the series
Well, it isn't conner, that guy was an oblivious ass hole. For me it's Ezio, who else could it be? He was awesome! The only thing conner has on the other two? Kick ass naval battles XD