Poll: Animal abuse vs Human abuse
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Hmm, you might have a point... And geese, I'm pretty sure geese are made of solid evil as well.Froggy Slayer said:
Chimpanzees are the classic example, though it's noteworthy that they are the closest thing to humans currently on the planet (maybe after bonobos).GundamSentinel said:
I'm human. I preference humans.
Both are bad (animal abuse is awful) but I object more to harm being done to humans.
Both are bad (animal abuse is awful) but I object more to harm being done to humans.
To me it's both despite I never own a pet but none the less, abusing a living being is bad in my book (abuse is abuce).
I voted "It depends on the situation", because I don't feel that the complexity of the issue is being properly reflected here.
If the question is, "is it worse to kill a human or an animal", my answer would be a human-- most of the time, they leave behind so much more devastation in family, partners & friends. If you displace a human family from their home, the effect is usually far more devastating than if you did the same to an animal (though it could still be psychologically harmful).
If you boil it down to "is it worse to cause pain to a human or an animal", the issue becomes a little more complicated-- many evolved creatures, such as dolphins and elephants, undoubtedly have a great capacity for pain. I wouldn't be surprised if it equalled ours. Elephants grieve, for christsakes. Remove the full emotional impact of family, and it's much closer to parity here.
But the issue isn't so damn simple! The fact is, the killing of humans is criminalised and (relatively) rare in most countries, whereas the killing of animals is an industry. In the modern day, there is very little so horrific as the fur trade, or whaling. Battery farming, the killing of calves in view of the mother cows, these things are exceptionally commonplace. That's not equalled by human abuse here in the western world. There has to be some recognition of this.
If the question is, "is it worse to kill a human or an animal", my answer would be a human-- most of the time, they leave behind so much more devastation in family, partners & friends. If you displace a human family from their home, the effect is usually far more devastating than if you did the same to an animal (though it could still be psychologically harmful).
If you boil it down to "is it worse to cause pain to a human or an animal", the issue becomes a little more complicated-- many evolved creatures, such as dolphins and elephants, undoubtedly have a great capacity for pain. I wouldn't be surprised if it equalled ours. Elephants grieve, for christsakes. Remove the full emotional impact of family, and it's much closer to parity here.
But the issue isn't so damn simple! The fact is, the killing of humans is criminalised and (relatively) rare in most countries, whereas the killing of animals is an industry. In the modern day, there is very little so horrific as the fur trade, or whaling. Battery farming, the killing of calves in view of the mother cows, these things are exceptionally commonplace. That's not equalled by human abuse here in the western world. There has to be some recognition of this.
How would you feel if the situation was reversed and some one let you die in agony because they wanted to save their pet rock?.......just curious no malice in my question.PeterMerkin69 said:
25% of those who flocked to the poll went for either hurting animals is worse then hurting humans or that they are equal. Eh? EH?
Just... What?
Most of the time I can see differing opinions. But that scares me a little bit. Now, I know the thread is young and that a certain type of person flocks to polls (Such as if you were to ever try and do a sexual demographic of this site, as has been attempted in the past, mostly people who are outlying from the norm will post, buggering the results and causing people to attack asexuals. I have seen it happen.) and in this case it means people who feel strongly about animal abuse will be the ones to vote... But still. I find that terrifying.
I guess this comes down to who I am. And the issue is subjective, there is no form of hard answer to this. But... Fuck. Humans just matter more then animals, strait up. Wait, I will clarify, sentient creatures matter more then non-sentient creatures. And before people jump on me and start arguing "But how can we know what is and is not really sentient, all animals are, blah blah blah", I am neither justifying animal abuse nor stating which animals I believe to be sentient. Just, on a very basic level, humans have a higher level of understanding then say dogs. And kicking the shit out of a child is worse then kicking the shit out of a dog. Both things should get you put in prison, true, and a society that does not care for "Lesser" creatures is simply not one worth living in. But humans, overall, matter more then non-humans.
Perhaps my views are changed because I know multiple (Unnamed and they shall remain that way incase one of you is a crazy with a firebomb) people who have licences to conduct tests on animals. People who, thanks to the loony animal activists, have to hide the job they do. Hell, one of which works in a lab with bomb resistant glass and as part of their induction were given a course in recognising threats. Like car bombs. These people live in fear of a fucking crazy person finding out what they do because houses get attacked, relatives get assaulted. Firebombs get thrown through windows.
All in the name of fucking mice. Or, in one case, cows.
tldr; Humans matter more then non-humans to me. Until we find creatures that are our equals I will hold this opinion. I hold that we should protect animals from abuse but honestly, if the choice was to stop a man from kicking his child or stop a different man from kicking his dog that is a clear cut decision. As for my definition of "Equal"? The production of art. Verbal or non-verbal.
Just... What?
Most of the time I can see differing opinions. But that scares me a little bit. Now, I know the thread is young and that a certain type of person flocks to polls (Such as if you were to ever try and do a sexual demographic of this site, as has been attempted in the past, mostly people who are outlying from the norm will post, buggering the results and causing people to attack asexuals. I have seen it happen.) and in this case it means people who feel strongly about animal abuse will be the ones to vote... But still. I find that terrifying.
I guess this comes down to who I am. And the issue is subjective, there is no form of hard answer to this. But... Fuck. Humans just matter more then animals, strait up. Wait, I will clarify, sentient creatures matter more then non-sentient creatures. And before people jump on me and start arguing "But how can we know what is and is not really sentient, all animals are, blah blah blah", I am neither justifying animal abuse nor stating which animals I believe to be sentient. Just, on a very basic level, humans have a higher level of understanding then say dogs. And kicking the shit out of a child is worse then kicking the shit out of a dog. Both things should get you put in prison, true, and a society that does not care for "Lesser" creatures is simply not one worth living in. But humans, overall, matter more then non-humans.
Perhaps my views are changed because I know multiple (Unnamed and they shall remain that way incase one of you is a crazy with a firebomb) people who have licences to conduct tests on animals. People who, thanks to the loony animal activists, have to hide the job they do. Hell, one of which works in a lab with bomb resistant glass and as part of their induction were given a course in recognising threats. Like car bombs. These people live in fear of a fucking crazy person finding out what they do because houses get attacked, relatives get assaulted. Firebombs get thrown through windows.
All in the name of fucking mice. Or, in one case, cows.
tldr; Humans matter more then non-humans to me. Until we find creatures that are our equals I will hold this opinion. I hold that we should protect animals from abuse but honestly, if the choice was to stop a man from kicking his child or stop a different man from kicking his dog that is a clear cut decision. As for my definition of "Equal"? The production of art. Verbal or non-verbal.
Greenpeace kills 8 fishermen during the annual seal hunt (clubbing baby seals), they say they saved the lives of thousands of seals so it was justified. Then people actually start agreeing with them... fuck people who put animals ahead of people.
I understand intellectually that human abuse should be a far more pressing concern, but I can handle seeing people suffer much easier than I can seeing animals suffer. Because of this I choose animal abuse being worse. I have a reason for this logic though, humans can understand what is happening to them and why, meanwhile animals do not understand the why, or when it comes to humans abusing animals often even the what. Even something like a life saving procedure to an animal would be a terrifying event to them. To give an example; I grew up on a horse farm, and on this farm we had horses (naturally). One of these horses ripped his eyelid almost completely off on his feed bucket hanger (we changed all of the hangers after this event to ensure it never happened again) so we called our vet in the middle of the night to make an emergency visit. He came out and numbed the horse's eyelid a bit and began to sew it back on. To a human we would understand what was happening, to my horse however this seemed like he had a horrible event followed up by the humans he trusted trying to hurt him further. Due to not having a proper medical facility within 200 miles of where we lived we had to do the surgery on the farm, which meant that we couldn't give the horse anesthesia, so he was awake as we stuck needles into his eye (from his perspective, it was only his skin that the needle touched) and absolutely terrified. The horse was given sedatives and pain killers to help him cope with this, but it was still a majorly traumatic event for him. It took me months to get him comfortable with people touching his head again.
So while humans may seem more important in the grand scheme of things, I think animal abuse is far worse because they can't understand what is going on.
So while humans may seem more important in the grand scheme of things, I think animal abuse is far worse because they can't understand what is going on.
For me they are both equally as bad though I could see myself leaning towards animals if I really got into it. People can defend themselves, they get sympathy, they have the law on their site. Other species have no way to help themselves so taking advantage of them is even worse in the same way hitting a child is worse than hitting a adult, a child can't defend themselves while a adult can.
Human abuse is definitely worse.
As horrible as torturing kittens may be I don't think many would disagree that torturing a human baby (equally innocent and defenceless) is much worse. If you're comparing it to an adult human in western society you shouldn't be taking kittens, you should be taking an animal with equal opportunity and ability to defend itself and get away with it. A dog may get killed for resisting his abuse, but so can a person in say North Korea or other dictatorships.
And as cruel and perverse as some people may be, there's also still animals around equally cruel and perverse. Like Dolphins. Dolphins are assholes.
As horrible as torturing kittens may be I don't think many would disagree that torturing a human baby (equally innocent and defenceless) is much worse. If you're comparing it to an adult human in western society you shouldn't be taking kittens, you should be taking an animal with equal opportunity and ability to defend itself and get away with it. A dog may get killed for resisting his abuse, but so can a person in say North Korea or other dictatorships.
And as cruel and perverse as some people may be, there's also still animals around equally cruel and perverse. Like Dolphins. Dolphins are assholes.
While I wouldn't agree with choosing your pet over another human being, a pet rock is not a fair comparison. A question like that will skew the results. Which is a bad thing to do, no matter how confident you are that it's one sided.knight steel said:
Senseless abuse, abuse without rational reason is what unsettles me. And as far as abuse without reason goes, animal abuse rustles my jimmies much more severely than human one (I'm talking adults here). Mainly because animals (and children) can't really defend themselves and the resulting psychological damage tends to be more severe than in adults.
If I saw a person torture their dog, I wouldn't hesitate to execute that person on spot to save that dog. Why? Honestly, the kind of person who abuses a defenceless animal is a worthless primitive in my eyes, and deserves no mercy.
If I saw a person torture their dog, I wouldn't hesitate to execute that person on spot to save that dog. Why? Honestly, the kind of person who abuses a defenceless animal is a worthless primitive in my eyes, and deserves no mercy.