Poll: Are christian conservatives global warming deniers?

[Stalk3rchief]

Dude, I see most super Christians thinking that god wouldn't let the planet die or something. People like them are just blind and ignorant. Stem cell research can cure cancer, but it's playing god so we shouldn't do it?
Fuck them, go get into a bio-diesel and drive on down to the abortion clinic. They don't know anything about anything.

Touchy subject for me.

 

[Samurai Goomba]

Some human activities have probably sped it up. I blame China and India.

Haha, that would be very big of the Western World wouldn't it, we rape the worlds resources then sit back on our fat pile of established wealth and criticise other countries trying to do the same for polluting the atmosphere. Until America wakes up and realises that what they call extreme left is what everyone in Europe calls the center then conservative rich business men are just going to continue driving themselves and everyone else into self destruction.

I'm not following your logic. How does one have anything to do with the other? Me being a resident of "western" society doesn't negate valid points I'm making. And there is no reason to even bring up the difference between political "left" and "right" as they apply to Europe. I'm not praising the OP's choice of subjects, but he/she was referring to a very select group of primarily AMERICAN individuals. It doesn't matter that these conservative folks would be considered "ultra-ultra conservative" in Britain, now does it?

In fact, I have to kind of look at your post and think, "How does ANY of this stuff you've said apply to ANYTHING in the context of the topic?"

And I never said I was defending American history. Or Europe's history, considering it was mostly places like England that introduced the black slave trade to the western world in the first place (something many know-it-all anti-America folks tend to forget). But many people still point the finger at America when it comes to environmental stuff, despite the fact that we have tons of regs on everything and our cars run really clean. Meanwhile, undeveloped nations have no regulations at all and big industry is over there taking advantage of that. Yet nobody cares. Either we acknowledge that Global Warming is too big an issue to defeat, or we hold EVERYONE to the same standard. Realism suggests the first option (humanity has proven time and again it can't work as a team).

We can't say it's alright for poor people to pollute because they have no money, or due to cultural guilt on our part. Either it's okay for everyone, or for nobody. Double standards were a big part of why America's expansion sucked so hard for almost everyone involved. Even a good number of white people. Because really, you needed power and money to have a decent life during the Western Expansion.

Also, if statistically the majority of people in America are Democrats, doesn't it logically follow that there are a significant portion of Democratic Big Businessmen? Or do you assume every Democrat is a blue-collar worker? 'Cause they're not. But it's probably easier to spout cliches than say something meaningful about the economic situation in America.

 

[Skeleon]

I blame China and India.

The US never ratified the Kyoto Protocol, though, don't underestimate those contributions.

 

[Smudge91]

i picked i'm for evolution etc and think that man has greatly contributed to the speeding up of natural global warming. Everyone is responsible theres no particular country to blaime as we've all done damage.

 

[THAC0]

I think that part of the problem is that Christians think that the world was made for them, so no one should be able to tell them how to use it. So they get very offended at the notion that people want to say they we are contributing to harming the planet, because that is just something that they don't feel like they should be held responsible for.

 

[Samurai Goomba]

I blame China and India.

The US never ratified the Kyoto Protocol, though, don't underestimate those contributions.

Thanks for making me learn things, now my brain is all full.

Even so, I think US standards on greenhouse gas emissions from both industry and automobiles are much better than they are in, say, China. Sure, things can always be better, but I kind of wonder how come everyone expects so much more from the US. As far as I know, China still has child labor and the kind of horrible working conditions our workers were forming unions to get rid of back in the 1920s (or earlier).

And I'll freely admit the US is part of the problem, allowing companies to outsource all their production overseas to places with said horrible labor laws and environmental regulations.

 

[JediMB]

I am for AHE and think that global warming is not man made. We certainly contribute to it though.

Indeed. Average temperature changes over time, and as large parts of the planet are still recovering from our most recent ice age, it's only natural that the temperature rises in some parts of the world.

But on the other hand... it also gets colder in other parts of the world, so overall I don't think we're seeing an actual global warming.

 

[JediMB]

Yes, it may be only a theory

There's no such thing as "only a theory" in science.

There's "only a hypothesis", but not "only a theory". A theory is accepted as true until proven wrong.

 

[katsa5]

-_- I have no idea how to contribute to this thread that's already been said and will likely be said over and over again. So I'm gonna vote (global warming is man-made, and the other stuff is further proof that we will destroy ourselves) then find a helmet and prepare for the ride. *puts on helmet*

 

[ProfessorLayton]

This is probably the most idiotic offensive anti-religious thread yet...

As a Christian, I'm going to say no because you're using a pretty stupid stereotype and not all Christians are the same. It has nothing to do with your religion, when will people realize that?

 

[hippykiller]

im a Conservative Catholic and KNOW global warming is made my the fuck ups of man.

 

[katsa5]

This is probably the most idiotic offensive anti-religious thread yet...

As a Christian, I'm going to say no because you're using a pretty stupid stereotype and not all Christians are the same. It has nothing to do with your religion, when will people realize that?

*stands and applauds*

 

[tsb247]

Oh no you did not just make this thread. Come on, really what were you thinking?

I'd be right there with you burning him at the stake metatron, but you've got to give him credit for combining EVERY SINGLE flame thread into one. This is the whole fucking deal.


OT: Yay for situationally specific abortion, Yay for homosexual marriage and equality. And of course, yay for evolution.

To that end, I'll say this; I believe what smarter men than I, say.

1: babies have synaptic activity in the womb. However getting raped by your uncle is another story.
2: being gay is genetic. And is therefore in the same arena as being black.

3: Evolution has a moon sized load of evidence backing it up.

4: Humanity produces green house gases in significant enough proportions to accelerate an already warming climate.

Yay for scientists! They're smarter than you!

In response to number 2, read this article. It actually points to homosexuality being linked to a formation in the X chromosome - not necessarily a specific gene (could be several actually - nothing specific).

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1925 - not scientific but introduces the concept

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Hamer - Just some background on the research.

My point is that there is no conclusive proof saying that homosexuality is 100% genetic. There is simply evidence that genetics could be a factor (one of many) - nothing proven yet.

If you can pull up some articles, or even the research paper, it is pretty interesting. I did not bother reading the research paper since I HATE the college databases browsing system... It's horrible (LexusNexus... err... something like that).

In response to number 4, I will also say this. Scientists honestly aren't sure how much mankind is contributing to global warming. We have only been studying it for maybe 100 years or so now (and that's being generous). That's not even the blink of an eye in the geological sense. Science has no idea whether or not we are making a significant contribution or not. Since our observations only span an extremely short time, we can only really guess right now. There is also EXTENSIVE evidence to support the claim that the earth heats and cools on its own. Sure we may be contributing, but how much? We don't know what would happen if we decided to take the CO2 out of the air. I should also point out that the most significant greenhouse gas we know of happens to be water vapor. On a planet that's 70% water, that will be difficult to combat. All we have now on global warming is conjecture, and there is evidence to support both sides of the argument. Scientists can back up both sides, so to say that it is a fact that mankind is contributing is not necessarily accurate.

I also feel that I should point out that if you are sitting in an air-conditioned room, then you are contributing to the earth's warming by pumping your warm air out into the atmosphere as air-conditioning is basically a simple heat pump - moving heat from one place to another. On your own, it's not a significant amount of heat, but add everyone in the world who uses it up, and... Conservation of energy come into play.

My overall point is that science does not necessarily produce answers, it just produces better questions as time goes on. "Now we know this, but what about that?"

 

[Jirlond]

They believe that there is no threat from global warming because god will save them if they obey the rules.

A british physicist says that the media are exaggerating the effects of global and that we shouldn't fuss about it because when it affects humanity like it does nature - humanities brightest will all work together and find a solution.

 

[loremazd]

They believe that there is no threat from global warming because god will save them if they obey the rules.

A british physicist says that the media are exaggerating the effects of global and that we shouldn't fuss about it because when it affects humanity like it does nature - humanities brightest will all work together and find a solution.

Actually no, one of the chief principles of Christianity is to prepare for the second coming of christ by following his teaching and forming a close relationship with God through prayer and actions. And the second coming of Christ means that the world is going to die.

Most fundamentalists believe that the end of the world is right around the corner. Most christians as a whole believe that the end of the world will come when it's time and there's no real reason to try and obsess over the date and time. None of them believe anything like "God will save the planet."

 

[Agema]

I don't think there's any inherent factor about fundamentalist American Christians that predisposes them to deny man-made global warming. Opposition to climate change is mostly rooted in big business.

The link between climate change denial and the religious right is politics, via the Republican party, who best represent corporate interests and religious conservatism. Corporations fund politicians, and so will push them to spread the corporate line. As the religious right look to right-wing politicians to represent them, they will be much more likely to accept what the right-wing politicians, activists and ideologues say on climate change, economics and so on too.

 

[Jirlond]

They believe that there is no threat from global warming because god will save them if they obey the rules.

A british physicist says that the media are exaggerating the effects of global and that we shouldn't fuss about it because when it affects humanity like it does nature - humanities brightest will all work together and find a solution.

Actually no, one of the chief principles of Christianity is to prepare for the second coming of christ by following his teaching and forming a close relationship with God through prayer and actions. And the second coming of Christ means that the world is going to die.

Most fundamentalists believe that the end of the world is right around the corner. Most christians as a whole believe that the end of the world will come when it's time and there's no real reason to try and obsess over the date and time. None of them believe anything like "God will save the planet."

What I meant was that they have no fear of being wiped out by global warming because they assume that the second coming of jesus is the end, not anything else.

 

[oppp7]

I heard from somewhere (Wikipedia, so it may not be true) that a large portion of Global Warming so far has been offset by pollution from aerosols.

 

[Robert632]

christian conservatives are the non-conformest's of our generation. they disagree with things that have evidence up the wazoo.