Poll: Are christian conservatives global warming deniers?
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1. I do not agree with abortion, although the problem lies more with the mistake that made it desirable in the first place. Namely, said sick bastard Uncle. In a culture that glorifies sex and sexuality it's hardly surprising such an ugly method to avoid consequences appears to be necessary. Don't be a perverted asshole, keep it in your pants until marriage, etc. Why is that so hard?
2. Homosexuality, we can all agree, is a sexual preference. By which I mean, genetic or not, it is nothing more that a physical urge. This society places arbitrary weight on different types of sexual fetishes. It's okay to lust after the other gender when their your age, but too old/too young/same sex are deviant. Really, all immoral sexual temptations should be avoided, not just the ones that our culture judges to be perverted. That means that acting on a homosexual/pedophilial whim is just as bad as cheating on your spouse. As far as gay marriage itself goes, those relationships are based purely on sexual attraction and are they same as any other similarly constructed union, no matter the genders involved. They are both a mockery of the institution of marriage and, like abortion, are a product of our immoral society and not really the issue that needs to be dealt with.
3. Evolution obviously happens. But creationism deals with how everything came into existence, from the structure of the atom to the mechanics of time. Evolution gtfo with your wimpy genetics, the Kosmos isn't listening.
4. 40 years ago we were apparently about to cause the Ice Age. Currently, using the same arguments we are convincing ourselves that were are going to burn everything. Now that the global temperature is once again on a downward slope I think there's a limit on the atmospheric conditions we can take credit for. Either that, or we go back to screaming about how our emissions will freeze everything. Sure, maybe we add or subtract slightly from the temperature, but the Earth had been having menopausal hot flashes long before we started gas guzzling. The whole thing is just human arrogance.
Why yes, I did vote for McCain.
1. I do not agree with abortion, although the problem lies more with the mistake that made it desirable in the first place. Namely, said sick bastard Uncle. In a culture that glorifies sex and sexuality it's hardly surprising such an ugly method to avoid consequences appears to be necessary. Don't be a perverted asshole, keep it in your pants until marriage, etc. Why is that so hard?
2. Homosexuality, we can all agree, is a sexual preference. By which I mean, genetic or not, it is nothing more that a physical urge. This society places arbitrary weight on different types of sexual fetishes. It's okay to lust after the other gender when their your age, but too old/too young/same sex are deviant. Really, all immoral sexual temptations should be avoided, not just the ones that our culture judges to be perverted. That means that acting on a homosexual/pedophilial whim is just as bad as cheating on your spouse. As far as gay marriage itself goes, those relationships are based purely on sexual attraction and are they same as any other similarly constructed union, no matter the genders involved. They are both a mockery of the institution of marriage and, like abortion, are a product of our immoral society and not really the issue that needs to be dealt with.
3. Evolution obviously happens. But creationism deals with how everything came into existence, from the structure of the atom to the mechanics of time. Evolution gtfo with your wimpy genetics, the Kosmos isn't listening.
4. 40 years ago we were apparently about to cause the Ice Age. Currently, using the same arguments we are convincing ourselves that were are going to burn everything. Now that the global temperature is once again on a downward slope I think there's a limit on the atmospheric conditions we can take credit for. Either that, or we go back to screaming about how our emissions will freeze everything. Sure, maybe we add or subtract slightly from the temperature, but the Earth had been having menopausal hot flashes long before we started gas guzzling. The whole thing is just human arrogance.
Why yes, I did vote for McCain.
Which makes me laugh, since people have been saying that since...well since the disciples saw Christ's ascension.loremazd said:
More on topic: As a Christian, let me point out a few things super quick:
Evolution has nothing to do with the Christian worldview. I fully believe that God created the world. 100%. HOW did God do it? I don't care. That's not my concern. And, before anyone brings up the book of Genesis and the creation story, let me say that simple hermeneutics and theology will make that argument moot. PM me if you must debate/find out what that is, but I won't go into detail here.
Also, I don't buy into 'Global Warming', but 'Climate Change' is a very different animal. Both of which have, once again, nothing to do with the Christian worldview. If a Christian says to you 'Global warming isn't true because of God!', then I would certainly love to see the Biblical passages and theological train-wreck behind that logic.
As for abortion: I believe life to be a sacred thing, even when still in the womb. I don't consider this a black and white situation, however, as a birth which would endanger the life of the mother is something to seriously ponder. But if done as a form of 'birth control', or for convenience, I think it's selfish and wrong. That also being said, would I bomb an abortion clinic? Or look down on someone who had an abortion? Absolutely not. I don't condone it, but neither do I deal out judgement. Kind of goes against the whole 'Love your neighbor' thing...which is the second most important commandment.
As for homosexuality: I believe it to be a skewing of what God intended sexuality to be. That being said, I don't think homosexuals 'choose' their lifestyle (I think some do, but they would be a very small minority). The debate and study rages on nature vs. nurture on the origins of homosexuality, but I have no opinion on that. As for my reaction to homosexuals, and things like gay marriage, it's the same as my response to abortions: I don't condone, but I don't deal out judgment. I've had plenty of friend who were gay, and they knew where I stood. I didn't treat them differently, I didn't hate them, I didn't preach to them. We respected each other's separate beliefs, and that's the way it went. We still worked together fine, hung out, played games, whatever. Gay marriages specifically? I don't care.
Were there any other subjects?
Keep in mind I've explained myself as much as I'm going to on this thread. If anyone feels they have to query me further, then PM me. I won't respond to quotes here, save for the 'any other subjects' question.
Play nice kids! So far you've been good!
I'd hate to lock this place up tight.
I believe, silk, that you have such a deep insight on the specifics of every single individual homosexual relationship and its exact nature and basis. We should all defer to your deep experience and vast amount of study you've done on the subject and put your word as law. Also, you shouldn't be able to have sex at all until you're 30, just to make it more likely that there are no sexual relationships.
Look, I may be a Christian, but i'm able to recognize that two guys are capable of loving each other outside of wanting to do the tango. They certainly have the right to get the same tax breaks I do.
Look, I may be a Christian, but i'm able to recognize that two guys are capable of loving each other outside of wanting to do the tango. They certainly have the right to get the same tax breaks I do.
The funny thing about global warming is the fact that most of the studies only go back between a thousand years or so, when you push it to a much grander scale, such as 5,000 plus you notice that temperatures rise and fall pretty regularly in a wave like pattern. Oddly enough, we are nearly exactly where we should be when you look at the temperature shift from that perspective. The vast majority of geologists have found global warming to be false, a lot of the agenda is pushed from special interest groups.
And you seriously just grouped up all those things to bash on one specific group of people? Really?
And you seriously just grouped up all those things to bash on one specific group of people? Really?
Most of the strongly religious folks I know still believe that people are screwing up the environment. It shouldn't suprise me if a big load of the religious right who deny global warming are doing so solely because they've aligned themselves with the big-business backed parts of the right against the left.
i have noticed a link between homophobia and anti-envrinmental beliefs, but I strongly suspect that this is just because of the inherant igorance in both groups. Those that I've noticed tend to be of selfish, disrespectful and undisaplined nature (such as chavs and corperate yes-men), rather than those of strong faith.
i have noticed a link between homophobia and anti-envrinmental beliefs, but I strongly suspect that this is just because of the inherant igorance in both groups. Those that I've noticed tend to be of selfish, disrespectful and undisaplined nature (such as chavs and corperate yes-men), rather than those of strong faith.
Matthew 24:34. The end is coming before the living of this generation have all died. Why worry about global warming?
Actually you're quite wrong. Theories are explanations for facts. It isn't because they carry more doubt that they are called theories but rather because they aren't of the same category as fact. Facts are the fossil record and the taxonomy of all living and dead things on earth. Evolution by Natural Selection explains how it may have happened that those fossils ended up where they did; but it only does so generally, not specifically. You could spit a bacteria culture at another hospitable planet and make predictions about what you might find later based on evolutionary theory, but those predictions would only be very general. You're not going to 'show evolution to be fact'. You might however find evidence that evolution through natural selection is the best explanation for the fossil record and the various organisms that exist today: that has been done many times. Just the way we categorize living things is a big clue to how evolution is a great explanation: why are there multiple kinds of bird? Why are there multiple kinds of lizard? Why are there multiple kinds of mammal? You see these very diverse groupings that seem to emerge out of prior creatures that were a bit less numerous which were preceded by a single creature which had the distinguishing characteristic. Something had tits: all creatures that subsequently were born from it or its descendants had breasts and we call them mammals. There was a first thing to have an eye. To have more than one cell. To have a skeleton with ribs and a spine. And you can trace all these things back in time; men have spines, monkeys have spines, cows have spines, dinosaurs have spines, fish have spines. You see all these things with very similar structures manifested in many different ways. It looks quite like they may have all come from the same ancestor, having mutated in many different directions, many times, over the course of billions of years, but still keeping that functional skeletal structure, brain, eyes, nose, forelegs/arms and hind legs (or just legs). Is it really just a coincidence that so many different animals poop from the same place, urinate from basically the same place, have skulls with the same sort of configuration, mouths in the same place, four legs or two legs and two arms or two legs and two wings (torso, abdomen, four appendages and a head.) Is it really just a coincidence that so much of the rest grows out of the ground with similar root structure and similar leaves? And that none of those in the first group can photosynthesize, and none of those in the second group have skeletons, brains, legs, asses, breasts, birth canals, etc.? If you really think about the whole of biological history, evolution by natural selection is OBVIOUS.Mazty said:
That's not just my own opinion. I have a few gay friends and they complain that this is exactly their problem. They are attracted to other men but are unable to base a relationship on something other than that. Sure they may like their partner's personality or may appear to be "compatible" according the the ambiguous terms of romance, but they are still grasping at straws since real relationships are based on something other than similar preferences. Last time I checked, heterosexual relationships have the exact same issue. So, I'm not saying gay relationships are worse that regular ones. I'm saying they're just as bad as any relationship founded solely on sexual attraction period.loremazd said:
As far as not having sex until you're 30 goes, losing your virginity is just another arbitrary cultural imposition people would be better off to reject. Sex isn't bad. It's something incredibly wonderful. Why waste that at the first chance you get with someone you won't be spending the rest of your life with?