Poll: Are gamers today too self entitiled?

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ResonanceSD said:
For the most part, no. The concerns are legitimate. People see gamers acting like consumers of any other product, and ddcide that they're all self-entitled little twerps.
When was the last time a movie with a bad ending had a complaint filed against it with the FTC? I'm sorry, but that argument is paper thin at best.

A little. I think it's just that because our medium is interactive we get used to having a say in things tend to feel that that say is a little more than it actually is.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
People deserve to play Dark Souls using a system that doesn't completely break the game.
Uh uh, wrong! When it comes to entertainment, people don't deserve anything. Television, movies, video games, books etc, these are all privileges; luxuries if you will. Nothing when it comes to any of them is deserved.
 

Clive Howlitzer

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Not even a little bit. Game publishers wouldn't even exist if not for us, they should be bending over backwards to please us, not the other way around.
 

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ohnoitsabear said:
When I buy a product, I expect it to work as advertised, be of a similar quality to similar products I have purchased at a similar price, and not have any unforeseeable problems.

If the product does not do these things, then I, as a consumer should:

- Inform the manufacturer of the product why I wasn't satisfied with the product

- Advise other consumers to not purchase said product

- Take my business elsewhere

This applies to everything, including games. Unfortunately, gamers are really good at the first to things, but not very good at taking their business elsewhere. So, if anything, gamers aren't acting entitled enough.

Although the Mass Effect 3 ending thing is ridiculous, but that's less of entitlement and more of gamers not having their priorities straight.
Words right out of my mouth.
Except the ME stuff as I didnt touch that with a 10ft pole ( the second one just didnt grab me in any meaningful way )
Most games that come out here are $110 new (PS3) and about $80 (PC).
That's a lot of money out of my income to invest in something that is released in 2nd rate condition. Only few games sellers now offer a return policy, really turning it into tough luck territory.
Not every one has internet connection so this day 1 DLC bullshit is just that: crap.
I have few vices and even less money to spare on said vices.
I do extensive research on products I buy, not just games. But games are subjective, there's no guarantee it will be any good, let alone if i will actually enjoy it.
 

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canadamus_prime said:
Daystar Clarion said:
People deserve to play Dark Souls using a system that doesn't completely break the game.
Uh uh, wrong! When it comes to entertainment, people don't deserve anything. Television, movies, video games, books etc, these are all privileges; luxuries if you will. Nothing when it comes to any of them is deserved.
By that same token though, none of us are REQUIRED to buy them. Game developers and publishers owe their entire existence to us. If we stop buying their products, they stop existing. Therefore, they should be expected to take some steps to ensure they keep their consumers happy. Lately, it feels like all gamers are expected to bend over backwards to accommodate the publishers, when it should be the other way around. If they don't want to play ball and accommodate us a bit, then they should just go out of business. It is about time gamers became responsible consumers instead of throwing money at every piece of trash out there.
 

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Would you feel entitled if you purchased a sixty dollar meal and they brought you Mcdonalds? We're not being given content for free than complaining about it, this is our hard earned money. The whole Mass Effect 3 thing is ridiculous and blown way out of proportion to the point of mass hysteria but that's a game these people spent money on, they have the right to complain and demand a better product. If you don't feel entitled after giving a company hundreds of dollars than somethings wrong.
 

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Games, as a product, are meant to provide enjoyment. They are, by their very nature, a bit subjective, and that's a given. Not everyone is going to like a particular game, even if it is well made. Hell, even if it's a masterpiece.

However, games also have a real world cost. In real money. Because a new video game costs about as much as a week's worth of food, it has to provide value... in this case, enjoyment. Expecting the companies that gladly take your money for entertaining you to provide you with a quality product is just as important as keeping any other service industry accountable... thanks to their use of the same economy, they should be held to the same standard.

Just like other service industries, gaming customers are large enough to give refunds to individual, unreasonable customers (and nobody is denying that those people do exist). However, at about the same time when that company can't afford to reimburse all the people they've dissapointed, at just about that same point, the company has screwed up. Sure, it's subjective. So is food. However, if half your customers complain that the food you prepare sucks, you change your recipe or go out of business... that's the free market at work.

I see no reason that games shuld be exempt.
 

Vault101

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anc[is]The word entitlement has no meaning anymore in the gaming community. It is now just the go to word in order to try and shut up gamers into not voicing their opinions anymore. The stigma attached to the word itself after ME3 is far stronger than the actual meaning of the word.
I agree

even worse the irony of peopel compaling about people complaining, going by the logic that there are better things to complain about

"so OMG! stop complaining about ME3 there are starving children in africa..gamers are soo entitles Im sick of peopel complaing about ME3" <- now repeat this x10
 

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I wouldn't say gamers are too self entitled, indeed the two examples given, ME3 ending and GFWL for the PC port of Dark Souls, are excellent examples of when gamers should act up and should not just take what is given.

I'd say gamer self entitlement is pretty low down on the list of thing that could cause potential damage to the medium, sure there are those individuals who take things a little far at times but that provides no indication that as a whole we are entitled. A vocal group with a few people who take it a little too far is better than a group who says nothing and just takes whatever is offered to them. Indeed an argument could be made that gamers are not entitled enough and we should evoke our rights as consumers more than we already do.
 

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canadamus_prime said:
Daystar Clarion said:
People deserve to play Dark Souls using a system that doesn't completely break the game.
Uh uh, wrong! When it comes to entertainment, people don't deserve anything. Television, movies, video games, books etc, these are all privileges; luxuries if you will. Nothing when it comes to any of them is deserved.
A lot of things are luxuries... that doesn't mean they aren't held to a high standard. Quite the opposite, in fact. Cruises are a luxury, five star restaraunts are a luxury, and the more you spend on them the more you get to complain.

What it all boils down to is money. Money is a solidified form of value, and if you give it to someone for a good or a service then you actually DO deserve value back from them... regardless of how trivial the purpose of that value might be. Saying that entertainment shouldn't be expected to provide any value is equivalent to saying that those who provide it shouldn't expect to be paid for it... and this is a business model that many entertainment providers have embraced. If your product is free, then you don't owe anyone a damn thing. If you charge for it, though, you need to man up and start fieldng those complaints. It's your job.
 

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AnarchistAbe said:
ResonanceSD said:
For the most part, no. The concerns are legitimate. People see gamers acting like consumers of any other product, and ddcide that they're all self-entitled little twerps.
Name me one other product where the consumers are as vocal and obnoxious as gaming.
The issue with that is that no other products out there are quite like video games. You don't get people complaining to this magnitude about movies because they go see them for about $10, and after spending two hours they can go home and relax. If they didn't like it then they're out $10. If they did, then it's awesome. To add on to that, reviews of movies are considerably more accurate than those of video games. Part of that is because they're only a few hours long at most, and everyone sees the same thing. Another part is that movie reviewers don't have to worry about being put on a publisher's shitlist and not being allowed to see the movie beforehand in order to write a review on it.

Clothes can be bought and returned if something is wrong with them, and you can see them and try them on in the store. Computers have specific specs and warranties - if something goes wrong you can get it fixed or returned. Books have reviews on the back and are relatively cheap, plus tend to be much better written than video games. And with a few exceptions they have almost zero hype to live up to because they don't need to be commercialized.

Thinking about it carefully, the two products that I see being most similar to video games are cars and houses. Cars because once you pay for it and drive it off the lot, with very few exceptions, it's yours and the price immediately drops. Houses because once you buy it, again, it's yours and you can't exactly "return" it. In both cases, however, you get to see the product before you purchase it. Cars can be test driven, houses walked through, and you can get reports on the histories of both for relatively cheap. Games don't come with any of that. The most you'll get out of a game is a demo, but once you buy it, with few exceptions, it's yours and the price immediately drops. Not only that, but companies are starting to require that you pre-order in order to get certain things and bonuses, meaning if the game is horrible then who cares, because they've already got your money. No other industry does that. Apple products get a lot of pre-orders, but they do so because they're generally decent products.

So, for a game that's been hyped up, and requires you to pre-order it in order to get certain bonuses or missions or whatever, it's perfectly legitimate for gamers to expect something good out of it. And when the company doesn't deliver, the only thing we can do, short of not purchasing any other games they put out, is to voice our concerns. Simply not buying another product form that company is marginally effective at best because they could decide not to make any more games, or that their next game is going to be amazing. Either way they already have our money, so their worries about us saying we're not going to buy another game are marginal at best.

Part of the problem is that sometimes when we voice those concerns we end up being loud and obnoxious. That's not at all limited to the video game industry though. If you've ever worked in a customer service call center you'll find out extremely quickly that there are people like that in every industry that complain about everything, and often extremely loudly with little to no point behind the complaints. In fact, gamers tend to be much more civil and, in all reality, validated in their complaints than the consumers from most other industries. We just don't see the people from other industries because those are usually done behind closed doors to customer service faculty, and from there their problem is solved relatively quickly and they can move on. Games can't do that because they're an art form, and changing them requires quite a bit of collaborative effort and money.

So, do I think gamers are entitled? Not at all. We're using the resources we have to voice our opinions, often loudly, but also because the current design of the industry prevents us from doing anything else about it. There are things that could be done to fix this, but I don't see any of them happening any time soon, which means we'll have to continue to use our resources and, hopefully, our wallets to help improve the industry as a whole.

TL;DR: No, gamers aren't entitled. Other industries provide routes for complaints to go through and, often, quick fixes of said complaints. We pay $60 for a product that could be good or bad, but that, with very few exceptions, can't be returned or changed in many ways without costing the publishers more money and time. Our "whining" is the only way for gamers at the moment to try and get companies to make better games in the future.
 

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Not all of them.

Much like everything else, there are degrees. There are no Black and White issues in anything and video games are not different.

Retake Mass Effect 3, those that sent cupcakes to the company, and those that signed the petition were well within their rights to complain about the ending not living up to their expectations. That I do not fault them for. I do not agree with the arguments made about it, but I do not fault them for having that opinion.

They become Entitled is when EA capitulated to their demands and acted like sore winners towards anyone that complained about it afterwards. The argument was over when EA said they were changing things. They had the victory and squandered it by going after anyone that disagreed with them.

The even worse ones are those that still are saying It's not enough.

As for Dark Souls on GFWL, I don't have any experience with using Games for Windows Live, but I trust the people I know who've used it and said it's shit. If GFWL is a shit system, then it is a shit system and I do not fault anyone for saying so.
 

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With some gamers I'd say, yes! But there's always going to be a group of anyone that take their fandam too far...lol
 

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I dunno why but I get the feeling that was directed at me...

Don't you think that was a bit uncalled for anyway? I'm just expressing my opinion on the topic and all you've done is come here and insult it instead of contributing to the topic itself.
Your "opinion" is stupid. Yes, people can have stupid "opinions", you are one of them.
See you're doing the exact same thing, plus how can an opinion be stupid? Just because it's not the popular one it doesn't make it stupid.
 

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Well the claims themselves are reasonable for the most part. But the way most vocal gamers nag on about them makes it very easy to just lob 'em into the box of "Whiny little shits who are never happy with anything good happening in their lives".
 

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Phasmal said:
I was tempted just to post: Do bears shit in the woods?

Obviously some gamers sometimes are going to be entitled. I mean, you can't please everyone, add that to all the expectations that get built up over development time from teasers or concept art and if you are presented with something not as good- some people are gonna get pissed. This is not always a good thing, but it's not so terrible either.

Besides, Mass Effect ending sucked. If we just accepted that and said nothing game companies would think it was okay to put out things that suck. And it's not. Cause they suck.
I have no problem with people telling devs that something sucked but I do have a problem with people who demand something to be changed instead of just suggesting something to improve on in the future.
 

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Bertylicious said:
We're gorram customers damnit! The games companies are there to serve us!
I want my games delivered to me on a silver platter by a butler or I'll refuse to buy them ever!
 

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DustlessDragoon said:
Bertylicious said:
We're gorram customers damnit! The games companies are there to serve us!
I want my games delivered to me on a silver platter by a butler or I'll refuse to buy them ever!
Damn right! And really, in this enlightened age where man has walked on the moon and looked at lolcats from both sides of the earth at the same time, is it really too much to ask for a happy ending with every purchase?

We should demand reform!
 

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When it comes to Mass Effect 3. Yes, they are very self-entitled. They bought a game, played it through to the end, and then feel they should claim a form of ownership of the brand cause they think the ending sucked. Luckily, I don't think they speak to a majority of gamers who mostly thought the ending was good to meh, but not worth the exhibition of this behavior. On other issues of DRM and piracy, though, gamers are right to be angry about not technically owning the property they buy. So on those issues, no. They are not self-entitled.