Poll: Are gamers today too self entitiled?

[llubtoille]

I think they're just using an easy form of communication to express their thoughts and feelings,
Some definitely lack tact when posting, using terms like 'demand' and 'slap in the face' or 'enough is enough' (really hate that one XD)
But that's just jackasses being jackasses and internet anonymity.

While it's often difficult to wade through the mass of posts and petitions etc to find what consumers actually want, it's optional, do-able and I think overall beneficial for the gaming industry.
Compared to a virtually silent gaming community who would only be able to express their likes and dislikes via their spending, yet wouldn't be able to warn other consumers away from bad products, this community feels far superior.

Imagine if there had been no vocal kerfuffle re. ME3, and instead the next bioware game just sold less well for no apparent reason.
Or when they announced the dark souls will be using GFWL, if no one voices their distaste for GFWL but instead just doesn't buy it, then the Namco wouldn't know what the problem was.

 

[ralfy]

Given revenues involved in the industry and prices of best-selling games, certainly not.

 

[Mandal0re]

Not at all, consumers in every market should let the product and service providers know what they want,it's the only way entertainment will improve. Corporations want to make as much profit as possible with as little fuss as possible and if people aren't 'entitled' and let it be known what they want they will feed us as much shit as they can get away with.OP, neither of the issues you mentioned are really a problem for me personally but if I feel I am bring provided with a far less than ideal service I for one am not willing to choke down the shit sandwich and gratefully thank the publisher for deigning to feed it to me. Fuck, slightly off topic but I seriously hate it when publishers try and play the under dog and make us feel like we have an obligation to support them and feel sorry for them. Seriously, Fuck that.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

People deserve to play Dark Souls using a system that doesn't completely break the game.

Uh uh, wrong! When it comes to entertainment, people don't deserve anything. Television, movies, video games, books etc, these are all privileges; luxuries if you will. Nothing when it comes to any of them is deserved.

Hardly.

If I buy a product, I expect it to work.

GFWL is nothing but a clusterfuck of bad technical decisions and terrible netcode.

 

[Abedeus]

Yes! Yes! Yes!

I just started a thread about this, but there is no doubt in my mind that we are far too entitled.

Glad someone agrees, great minds think alike eh?

Sorry, but he's a troll.

Suddenly, players stop taking shit from developers who are accountable to nobody on a bigger than ever scale. MUST BE A PROBLEM WITH THEM. NOT THE GUYS WHO BUTCHERED THE ENDING.

 

[The_Waspman]

ONLY THREE POLL OPTIONS!?!

ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS LIKE THE MASS EFFECT THREE ENDING ALL OVER AGAIN!!!!!!!11!!1

I demand MORE poll options!!!!! We are ENTITLED to more poll options!!!

Ok, on all seriousness, while I think it is a sweeping generalisation to lump all gamers in together, yes, I do. I do think that 'gamers' are becoming too entitled. And I blame the internet. There are now so many avenues for 'fans' to 'feedback' to developers, and a lot of it is to whine about insignificant shit that doesn't matter in the grand sceme of things.

On the other hand, publishers force release schedules on developers and things often get rushed out.

There is the whole inbalance between all the bad stuff and the good stuff, with the bad stuff getting more press coverage.

So while this is probably the last place that anyone of significance is going to be taking notice, I would like to say:

Thank you Bioware. Thank you for providing me with an engaging, enjoyable interactive experience that I felt totally engaged in all the way through.

Right, enough about Mass Effect 3 already...

 

[Dragoon]

Yes! Yes! Yes!

I just started a thread about this, but there is no doubt in my mind that we are far too entitled.

Glad someone agrees, great minds think alike eh?

Sorry, but he's a troll.

Suddenly, players stop taking shit from developers who are accountable to nobody on a bigger than ever scale. MUST BE A PROBLEM WITH THEM. NOT THE GUYS WHO BUTCHERED THE ENDING.

I have nothing against people voicing opinions, what I do have a problem with is people demanding that something be changed because it isn't the way they wanted. Even if the edning did suck that's how the writers wanted to end it so people have no right to demand a change in the way they have.

 

[TheVioletBandit]

What is it about certain words that cause what I am from now on going to refer to as "the parrot effect"? Is it the meaning, or the phonology that they find irresistible? Or perhaps its a domino effect that comes from hearing the word to much, like a song getting stuck in your head; eventually you start singing it as well. Nevertheless my answer is no, I don't think gamers feel a false sense of entitlement. I think you have just been caught up in the parrot effect.

 

[Abedeus]

Yes! Yes! Yes!

I just started a thread about this, but there is no doubt in my mind that we are far too entitled.

Glad someone agrees, great minds think alike eh?

Sorry, but he's a troll.

Suddenly, players stop taking shit from developers who are accountable to nobody on a bigger than ever scale. MUST BE A PROBLEM WITH THEM. NOT THE GUYS WHO BUTCHERED THE ENDING.

I have nothing against people voicing opinions, what I do have a problem with is people demanding that something be changed because it isn't the way they wanted. Even if the edning did suck that's how the writers wanted to end it so people have no right to demand a change in the way they have.

Not the way their wanted - yes, I agree.

Breaking multiple characters, inventing new technology (instant resurrection from vaporization, for instance), making an M.Night Shyamalama twist at last moment and leaving the players with 0 closure at end? Add false advertising about 16 different endings that wouldn't be reduced to A, B or C and you get a valid case.

The same thing happened to Neon Genesis Evangelion - ending made literally NO SENSE, it was dumb, and not even the biggest fans can admit it was a good ending. They remade the ending in End of Evangelion movie.

 

[Traun]

No, no we are not.

Demanding a better quality or service does not mean entitlement, throwing away your rights as a customer just makes you, for a lack of a better word, a corporate whore.

Mass Effect 3 ending was of the lowest quality, it was terrible and did not match the rest of the trilogy. It was no different than going to the movie and the movie in question being a piece of shit. The fanbase wants the ending remade, why is this surprising? Have you seen the first release of Blade Runner? It sucked, it was a total flop and it wasn't until the re-release that the film started to gain popularity.

Games for Windows Live is a terrible service. I refuse to use it, the same way I refuse to use Origins due to their terms of use. Can they release Dark Souls exclusively for GFWL? Yes. Will I buy it in this case? No, I refuse to use GFWL and Dark Souls being exclusively on that system means that I will not be buying it, and that decision will have nothing to do with the game. On the other hand, if I have alternative avenues I can use to obtain the game I am willing to do it.

 

[Ironside]

What is it about certain words that cause what I am from now on going to refer to as "the parrot effect"? Is it the meaning, or the phonology that they find irresistible? Or perhaps its a domino effect that comes from hearing the word to much, like a song getting stuck in your head; eventually you start singing it as well. Nevertheless my answer is no, I don't think gamers feel a false sense of entitlement. I think you have just been caught up in the parrot effect.

I don't think they even know the meaning of the word, but because some reviewers and critics and whatnot said it at one stage they all decided they wanted to be like them, so now they are just throwing it out all over the place.

To the OP: No I don't think gamers are too entitled - i've not seen them do anything that is any different to what happens in the rest of the capitalist system.

 

[johnnnny guitar]

No video games are a business. We as consumers have every right to complain about anything we feel like.

Hell I don't care if people complain that call of duty had to much shooting and not enough loading screen thats their opinion as a customer.

Games these days cost (in Australia) $120 new, anything for that price, that is a piece of entertainment you and I expect and want top quality.

If I or anyone else thinks that their standards were not met then they can voice their opinions they have the right to you can call them entitled but in the end they are "entitled" something worth the money they earnt through labour and work.

 

[PatrickXD]

I think it might be a case of gamers are finally realising how much freedom they have to change the gaming experience. As with all things, it takes practice in order to hit a measured and balanced note every time, but without overstepping the mark once or twice we can never know how to really positively influence the industry.
So I think that at the moment some people are being over zealous. But it takes determination and a will to change things to the way we want them to really learn how to make appropriate impacts in the future.

 

[Something Amyss]

the removal/alternative to Games for Windows Live for the PC release of Dark Souls.

Ah. There's your problem.

You're using the word "entitled" wrong. I'm pretty sure nobody has said they are "entitled to" Dark Souls without GFWL. They have merely started a petition demanding its removal because it sucks. They have, as consumers, opted to say "we won't buy it unless you change X."

That's not entitlement. At least, it's not entitlement in the negative sense you seem to mean. They actually are entitled to voice their opinions about and/or decide whether or not to purchase a product.

Similarly, fans have every right to demand a "better" ending for Mass Effect 3. They even have a right to expect it in this case--even the BBB has said this constitutes false advertising.

These are your big examples of entitlement?

Kind of sad, actually.

 

[Dr Jones]

Given recent developments, how can anyone say that gamers aren't entitled?! It's the one medium where the people making the products listen and respond to the community, and all we do it *****, moan, complain and demand.

This!
Granted, sometimes gamers are abseloutely right in their anger (Mass Effect 3 somewhat, it was falsely advertised, as said) but some gamers have a tendency to just blow things completely out of proportion. I hate it. Hate it to death. I've noticed going to game forums has tired me more and more, as there is always, ALWAYS a group of people bitching, whining and moaning about the most minor things. It is tiring and annoying as shit. I sorta get the Dark Souls petition, but yeah, that is definitely a case of entitlement. From Software don't owe them ANYTHING. they are doing the gamers a favor by bringing it to PC, with or without GFWL.

And the constant whining, Jesus Christ.. Seems nowadays Bioware cant catch a break. They barely said anything about Dragon Age III and people are already dismissing it, calling it shit.. I hate some people..

And don't get me started on people ripping on reviewers, omfg.. Jim Sterling's "Hate out of ten" took this matter incredibly well. People ripping on IGN, saying they are paid off (IGN aren't the best, but the hate they get is immense) when their reviewers sometimes dont get paid, and do reviews for the fun of it (they do get a game).

 

[Something Amyss]

I have nothing against people voicing opinions, what I do have a problem with is people demanding that something be changed because it isn't the way they wanted. Even if the edning did suck that's how the writers wanted to end it so people have no right to demand a change in the way they have.

They probably shouldn't have hyped it as something different, then.

That's the primary contention, as much as people seem to ignore that.

 

[repeating integers]

Pirates are definitely entitled. Those fuckers who think they deserve everything for free.

I'd say the ME3 ending complaints were justified though - legally, it was false advertising (see the Escapist news story). However, people who believe they are entitled to free DLC are over-entitled IMO.

 

[Smooth Operator]

Training sheep at a young age is the best way to go it seems.
How dare people demand quality for their money, you will pay full price and love any old shit you get for it! Also go on internets and "boo" out anyone who doesn't.

 

[Vivi22]

TLDR- Are we as gamers too self entitled today or are we right in demanding things be changed just because we don't like it?

I think its alright to complain about some things such as witheld game content but I don't think its right to demand that a developer change their games story just because people don't like it.

No, gamers are every bit as entitled as they should be. If you pay money for a trilogy with a shitty ending and don't complain then you're a fool because you're just asking for it to keep happening. And if a port for a game you want is announced and you don't demand that it remove a shitty service which will have a huge impact on how the game plays, then you have no one to blame but yourself when it's released and you're fighting a shitty service to get it to work the way it's supposed to.

I have no problem with those who don't have the nerve to stand up for what they want out of a product they paid for, but they shouldn't be surprised when they find themselves taking it in the ass as a result.

 

[Dragoon]

I have nothing against people voicing opinions, what I do have a problem with is people demanding that something be changed because it isn't the way they wanted. Even if the edning did suck that's how the writers wanted to end it so people have no right to demand a change in the way they have.

They probably shouldn't have hyped it as something different, then.

That's the primary contention, as much as people seem to ignore that.

Yeah but sadly this has been common place in video games for a long time and people have never before caused such an uproar about this kinda thing. Look at the Fable games for example, we were promised loads of features that never really happened and no one demanded it be put in then.