Poll: Are Humans Always Selfish?

[Akai Shizuku]

I'm a proponent of socialism and communism as they are the only way for society to move forwards and survive. does that benefit me? no clue, probably. even if all humans are selfish you still can't trust Ayn Rand.

Worked for the Russians........oh wait, nvrmnd.

those crazy commie Russians, oh wait Russia was never a communist state :O. But But, they declared themselves a communist state, it must be true!!! and I'm the fucking king of Norway.

Comrade, while you are correct, I implore you to utilize a higher degree of patience and politeness; we have a bad enough reputation as it is thanks to that asshole Stalin.

 

[Husky.Gnoll]

People will tell you that humanity is selfish. That is not true, there are more good people in the world then you know. Its just the jerks are louder.

True True

 

[Akai Shizuku]

I'm a proponent of socialism and communism as they are the only way for society to move forwards and survive. does that benefit me? no clue, probably. even if all humans are selfish you still can't trust Ayn Rand.

Not to get too off topic, but EVERY communist country in history has been taken advantage of by a selfish leader.

And why do you hold communism so high? When has it ever worked?

Communism has never existed in recorded history, and thus could not have worked...because it was never put into practice. The USSR, China, North Korea, the list goes on, but none of these places are Communist. Communism is a stateless, classless, egalitarian and democratic society free of oppression and capitalism. Tell me when that has existed.

well that saved his majesty some time (read above for joke) The only problem I have with communism is that it needs to be updated to take into consideration technological advances that have come about since Marx's time.

That is correct, Marx said so himself.

 

[Akai Shizuku]

I'm a proponent of socialism and communism as they are the only way for society to move forwards and survive. does that benefit me? no clue, probably. even if all humans are selfish you still can't trust Ayn Rand.

Not to get too off topic, but EVERY communist country in history has been taken advantage of by a selfish leader.

And why do you hold communism so high? When has it ever worked?

Communism has never existed in recorded history, and thus could not have worked...because it was never put into practice. The USSR, China, North Korea, the list goes on, but none of these places are Communist. Communism is a stateless, classless, egalitarian and democratic society free of oppression and capitalism. Tell me when that has existed.

Yeah? And world peace would be pretty cool too.
News flash, it will never happen, you need to think realistically.

By what arbitrary designation will this never happen?

 

[Undeed]

It's impossible to know when a specific person and their skills will be needed, and it's almost always in your best interest to not make enemies as you never know who has the time, ability, or resources to scrrew whatever you're plotting. So it's almost always in your best interest to treat people well, or at least decently. This is how egoism should work, and does for me. However, one looking hard enough can generally figure out a selfish or selfless motivation for an act, regardless as to whether or not it's actually there.

 

[Mcface]

I'm a proponent of socialism and communism as they are the only way for society to move forwards and survive. does that benefit me? no clue, probably. even if all humans are selfish you still can't trust Ayn Rand.

Not to get too off topic, but EVERY communist country in history has been taken advantage of by a selfish leader.

And why do you hold communism so high? When has it ever worked?

Communism has never existed in recorded history, and thus could not have worked...because it was never put into practice. The USSR, China, North Korea, the list goes on, but none of these places are Communist. Communism is a stateless, classless, egalitarian and democratic society free of oppression and capitalism. Tell me when that has existed.

Yeah? And world peace would be pretty cool too.
News flash, it will never happen, you need to think realistically.

By what arbitrary designation will this never happen?

There will ALWAYS be people who will take advantage of others, who will seek power, wealth, whatever.
"I think the best fourm of government, is the best fourm of government" Isn't exactly a realistic, or tangible thing.

 

[Akai Shizuku]

I'm a proponent of socialism and communism as they are the only way for society to move forwards and survive. does that benefit me? no clue, probably. even if all humans are selfish you still can't trust Ayn Rand.

Not to get too off topic, but EVERY communist country in history has been taken advantage of by a selfish leader.

And why do you hold communism so high? When has it ever worked?

Communism has never existed in recorded history, and thus could not have worked...because it was never put into practice. The USSR, China, North Korea, the list goes on, but none of these places are Communist. Communism is a stateless, classless, egalitarian and democratic society free of oppression and capitalism. Tell me when that has existed.

well that saved his majesty some time (read above for joke) The only problem I have with communism is that it needs to be updated to take into consideration technological advances that have come about since Marx's time.

That is correct, Marx said so himself.

Did he really? Damn I gotta finish that manifesto sometime.

in regards to the comrade thing, everyone even insane libertarians (who you would think love communism since there is no govt) has to admit that having everyone call each other comrade is a great way to make everyone feel at least a bit better in general.

It's part of why so many who are a part of the cause are so passionate about it; it makes you feel like you're a part of a big red happy family.

 

[Akai Shizuku]

I'm a proponent of socialism and communism as they are the only way for society to move forwards and survive. does that benefit me? no clue, probably. even if all humans are selfish you still can't trust Ayn Rand.

Not to get too off topic, but EVERY communist country in history has been taken advantage of by a selfish leader.

And why do you hold communism so high? When has it ever worked?

Communism has never existed in recorded history, and thus could not have worked...because it was never put into practice. The USSR, China, North Korea, the list goes on, but none of these places are Communist. Communism is a stateless, classless, egalitarian and democratic society free of oppression and capitalism. Tell me when that has existed.

Yeah? And world peace would be pretty cool too.
News flash, it will never happen, you need to think realistically.

By what arbitrary designation will this never happen?

There will ALWAYS be people who will take advantage of others, who will seek power, wealth, whatever.
"I think the best fourm of government, is the best fourm of government" Isn't exactly a realistic, or tangible thing.

...and those people will most likely be imprisoned or exiled from the commune.

Communism has no government, unless you count everyone as government, since law is decided via collective direct democratic process.

 

[Mcface]

I'm a proponent of socialism and communism as they are the only way for society to move forwards and survive. does that benefit me? no clue, probably. even if all humans are selfish you still can't trust Ayn Rand.

Not to get too off topic, but EVERY communist country in history has been taken advantage of by a selfish leader.

And why do you hold communism so high? When has it ever worked?

Communism has never existed in recorded history, and thus could not have worked...because it was never put into practice. The USSR, China, North Korea, the list goes on, but none of these places are Communist. Communism is a stateless, classless, egalitarian and democratic society free of oppression and capitalism. Tell me when that has existed.

Yeah? And world peace would be pretty cool too.
News flash, it will never happen, you need to think realistically.

By what arbitrary designation will this never happen?

There will ALWAYS be people who will take advantage of others, who will seek power, wealth, whatever.
"I think the best fourm of government, is the best fourm of government" Isn't exactly a realistic, or tangible thing.

...and those people will most likely be imprisoned or exiled from the commune.

Communism has no government, unless you count everyone as government, since law is decided via collective direct democratic process.

You have a very unrealistic view on the world, and a give FAR too much credit to people.

 

[Akai Shizuku]

I'm a proponent of socialism and communism as they are the only way for society to move forwards and survive. does that benefit me? no clue, probably. even if all humans are selfish you still can't trust Ayn Rand.

Not to get too off topic, but EVERY communist country in history has been taken advantage of by a selfish leader.

And why do you hold communism so high? When has it ever worked?

Communism has never existed in recorded history, and thus could not have worked...because it was never put into practice. The USSR, China, North Korea, the list goes on, but none of these places are Communist. Communism is a stateless, classless, egalitarian and democratic society free of oppression and capitalism. Tell me when that has existed.

Yeah? And world peace would be pretty cool too.
News flash, it will never happen, you need to think realistically.

By what arbitrary designation will this never happen?

There will ALWAYS be people who will take advantage of others, who will seek power, wealth, whatever.
"I think the best fourm of government, is the best fourm of government" Isn't exactly a realistic, or tangible thing.

...and those people will most likely be imprisoned or exiled from the commune.

Communism has no government, unless you count everyone as government, since law is decided via collective direct democratic process.

You have a very unrealistic view on the world, and a give FAR too much credit to people.

Thank you for dismissing my point without actually proving it wrong.

When everyone must collectively work together, they are forced to be worth that credit. Communism's kind of like The Escapist, actually...minus the elitism. Everyone contributes to discussion and builds upon the community and if you're too much of an asshat you get banned.

 

[Darth Pope]

True selflessness doesn't exist.Every action we take is an act of selfishness.

From screwing your girl friend to helping an old granny across the street, we all do things to satisfy out own desires. You bang your girlfriend because it's a pleasurable experience. You help the old lady across the street because you get a feeling of satisfaction from it that you enjoy.

However, this is not a truth to be looked down upon. Seeking the feeling you get when you do something that is good is a trait admirable trait. Don't be disenfranchised by it. It's merely the way our minds are.

 

[Bato]

As a species, we are, on the whole, selfish and greedy, but there is a lot of good in the world.
Not meaning to start a flame war, but the perfect examples of selfishness are with the Christian community: "If I do this good deed, I will go to heaven"

That's not how it should work.

That, and good example. But I also don't want to start a flame war..

Though selfishness is the basic programming of any specie.
I have a lot of theories on this subject, but before I flesh them out, I just loose interesting and prefer to think about other things.

 

[Mcface]

I'm a proponent of socialism and communism as they are the only way for society to move forwards and survive. does that benefit me? no clue, probably. even if all humans are selfish you still can't trust Ayn Rand.

Not to get too off topic, but EVERY communist country in history has been taken advantage of by a selfish leader.

And why do you hold communism so high? When has it ever worked?

Communism has never existed in recorded history, and thus could not have worked...because it was never put into practice. The USSR, China, North Korea, the list goes on, but none of these places are Communist. Communism is a stateless, classless, egalitarian and democratic society free of oppression and capitalism. Tell me when that has existed.

Yeah? And world peace would be pretty cool too.
News flash, it will never happen, you need to think realistically.

By what arbitrary designation will this never happen?

There will ALWAYS be people who will take advantage of others, who will seek power, wealth, whatever.
"I think the best fourm of government, is the best fourm of government" Isn't exactly a realistic, or tangible thing.

...and those people will most likely be imprisoned or exiled from the commune.

Communism has no government, unless you count everyone as government, since law is decided via collective direct democratic process.

You have a very unrealistic view on the world, and a give FAR too much credit to people.

Thank you for dismissing my point without actually proving it wrong.

When everyone must collectively work together, they are forced to be worth that credit. Communism's kind of like The Escapist, actually...minus the elitism. Everyone contributes to discussion and builds upon the community and if you're too much of an asshat you get banned.

So the greatest forum of government is the same as an internet forum. awesome.

There will always be a majority, and a minority.

The minority will always feel oppressed by the majority, and act out.
Again, if it was the best form of government like you say, it would have been done by now.

Its foolish to hold a point of view like yours, just as it is world peace.
You honestly think an entire people can work together, and get along all happy? No.

 

[Akai Shizuku]

I'm a proponent of socialism and communism as they are the only way for society to move forwards and survive. does that benefit me? no clue, probably. even if all humans are selfish you still can't trust Ayn Rand.

Not to get too off topic, but EVERY communist country in history has been taken advantage of by a selfish leader.

And why do you hold communism so high? When has it ever worked?

Communism has never existed in recorded history, and thus could not have worked...because it was never put into practice. The USSR, China, North Korea, the list goes on, but none of these places are Communist. Communism is a stateless, classless, egalitarian and democratic society free of oppression and capitalism. Tell me when that has existed.

Yeah? And world peace would be pretty cool too.
News flash, it will never happen, you need to think realistically.

By what arbitrary designation will this never happen?

There will ALWAYS be people who will take advantage of others, who will seek power, wealth, whatever.
"I think the best fourm of government, is the best fourm of government" Isn't exactly a realistic, or tangible thing.

...and those people will most likely be imprisoned or exiled from the commune.

Communism has no government, unless you count everyone as government, since law is decided via collective direct democratic process.

You have a very unrealistic view on the world, and a give FAR too much credit to people.

Thank you for dismissing my point without actually proving it wrong.

When everyone must collectively work together, they are forced to be worth that credit. Communism's kind of like The Escapist, actually...minus the elitism. Everyone contributes to discussion and builds upon the community and if you're too much of an asshat you get banned.

So the greatest forum of government is the same as an internet forum. awesome.

There will always be a majority, and a minority.

The minority will always feel oppressed by the majority, and act out.
Again, if it was the best form of government like you say, it would have been done by now.

Its foolish to hold a point of view like yours, just as it is world peace.
You honestly think an entire people can work together, and get along all happy? No.

Once again, I remind you that Communism is a form of collective anarchy. It is a political and economic system but not a form of government.

It's better than the majority feeling oppressed by the minority, which is what we have now. However, the minority will always have a voice, and almost never will they be the minority on everything. Many call for Communism but there are obstacles in the way; chiefly, capitalist government, the propaganda and misconception put forth by the aforementioned, and those deluded by it. It's coming. In fact, I guarantee you a successful Communist revolution before this world ends.

I do believe we must agree to disagree on this issue; while I once held your jaded view of humanity, I have discovered that under the right conditions, people have a good side to them, too. Also, we have effectively hijacked and derailed this thread, which is rude and inconsiderate to the OP and those who wish to discuss the actual topic at hand.

 

[Gotham Soul]

My mantra is "It's too early for altruism."

 

[lizards]

i have my own views those being that 90 percent of people act selfishly but i think that only 50 percent of those do it on purpose the other 40 percent find nothing wrong with what they are doing or want to try and be unselfish but are selfish on a base level and think that what they are doing is right but is motivated deep down by there primal personality

 

[Venatio]

The theory of Ethical Egoisim goes a long way in explaining why we act the way we do. But we are all capable of altruistic actions, its also a part of our nature. To crave fellowship and family, that is a part of who we are as social animals.

Not everyone is a Bernie Madoff, we still have our dignity as a species.