Poll: Are Kids today taking School for granted?
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Like I said, middling for what you are capable of. It is pointless to judge people against others, the only real way to judge someone is against their own potential. that is why I never mentioned letter grades in my post. (in practice this is nearly impossible on the large scale.)Assassin Xaero said:
With those grades and that perceived effort, there are 2 possibilities:
1. Your school is crap and gives A's out like crackerjack boxes. You get A's because mediocrity is celebrated in the land of idiots. In any real school you are a C student.
2. You actually know the stuff fairly well, which means at some point you put at least some effort into learning it. That does not mean you "studied" in the traditional way, but you learned it somewhere. You don't just know history. You learn it somewhere, somehow. If you get A's in history, you studied, even if that was only paying attention in class. With just a little more effort you could have strait A's, but you are too lazy to actually try. You are satisfied with good enough, never actually reaching your full potential. You are middling because you don't care to be great.
around were i live, i see a lot of kids, sometimes a young as 12, bunking off lessons to go have a cigarette!
Also when i was a 6th form student at my school (aged 17/18) one of my teachers told us that around half of her pupils said they would leave school if it wasn't compulsary, because they "hated" being there!
Yeah i do believe that kids are taking school for granted, but i believe it's becasue our schools don't know how to propperly treat the kids, as well as the fact that, in England, you can literally get away with living on benefits your whole life, and earning more than if you had a job!
School needs to be made more fun for the kids so they WANT and CHOOSE to learn, rather than something that you just have to do at that age.
Ps: The way boys are treated in schools means; those who learn best, and are generally smarter, are at a stupidly high risk of developing a personallity that's not attractive to women. (I would go into detail, but it be many words!)
So this basically means that the potentially more intelligent guys, are being taught behaviour that makes them less attractive, which therefore means that we, as the human race, cannot improve our intelligence, through the power of natural selection as we should be naturally doing. which is halting our progression as a species.
Also when i was a 6th form student at my school (aged 17/18) one of my teachers told us that around half of her pupils said they would leave school if it wasn't compulsary, because they "hated" being there!
Yeah i do believe that kids are taking school for granted, but i believe it's becasue our schools don't know how to propperly treat the kids, as well as the fact that, in England, you can literally get away with living on benefits your whole life, and earning more than if you had a job!
School needs to be made more fun for the kids so they WANT and CHOOSE to learn, rather than something that you just have to do at that age.
Ps: The way boys are treated in schools means; those who learn best, and are generally smarter, are at a stupidly high risk of developing a personallity that's not attractive to women. (I would go into detail, but it be many words!)
So this basically means that the potentially more intelligent guys, are being taught behaviour that makes them less attractive, which therefore means that we, as the human race, cannot improve our intelligence, through the power of natural selection as we should be naturally doing. which is halting our progression as a species.
No. The American public school system is basically horseshit on a sandwich.
More people need to utilize Home and Charter schools, but that's not enough. We simply need more option. And a complete reform of Highschools.
Also, we need MUCH more specialization. You want to be a Writer. So you have to take advanced Algebra? What? Also, we need to get this idea out of our heads that every single kid is college material. They are not. Trade schools are a great idea.
More people need to utilize Home and Charter schools, but that's not enough. We simply need more option. And a complete reform of Highschools.
Also, we need MUCH more specialization. You want to be a Writer. So you have to take advanced Algebra? What? Also, we need to get this idea out of our heads that every single kid is college material. They are not. Trade schools are a great idea.
What was the title before?Fanta Grape said:
OT: Yes. Too many dumbasses in my own school don't give a rat's ass about work or anything like it. I actually look at what I'm doing and how it will affect me in the future, and the others? They cut class, get suspended constantly, get low grades and are overall, brain-dead morons.
This would be because High School really *won't* have much of an effect on their life. For most people, modern schools are simply a holding pen that puts off the time when they would normally be acquiring *job skills* and starting to earn money. So why should they take it seriously? They really are not ever going to be asked to recite a William Blake poem or use the algebra they memorized.Korten12 said:Here in America (specifically New York) I try my hardest in school and get high moderate to Good grades (amazing in Social Studies.) but I noticed many, seem to not give a damn in the world and just hang about, getting drunk, getting low grades, talking when teachers talk, just overall just not seeming to care that High School will have effect on their lives.
Everything I know that has actually been of any use to me, I learned in my own time, on my own recognizance, and I know it far better and more thoroughly than *anything* I was taught in school. (Oh, and by the way, I took AP classes and got a 1490 on the SAT, so don't think I wasn't paying attention in school, either.)
And for those students that ARE planning jobs in academics, technology, law, and medicine (the fields where a degree *actually does something for you*), they'd be far better off if their classes weren't pointlessly cluttered with people just waiting for the bell to ring.
The problem in education , not just in USA but in other countries , like Chile , its that is fat too relaxed.
You can barely study, take a bad mark at a test , and continue in school like the one who study all night and take a good mark.
Experience talking.
You can barely study, take a bad mark at a test , and continue in school like the one who study all night and take a good mark.
Experience talking.
Oh man, the beginning of this thread is made of such win!!
OT: Hell yeah! Even when I was a kid I realised that it could only get worse, so I got really depressed and... Well, anyway the point is that I didn't take it for granted. I'm enjoying every second. However, most people do take it for granted. No one actually puts any effort into it any more, no one cares. It really sucks, and the best way to help with that is to make them smarter, by having them go to school. Wait... We're fucked.
OT: Hell yeah! Even when I was a kid I realised that it could only get worse, so I got really depressed and... Well, anyway the point is that I didn't take it for granted. I'm enjoying every second. However, most people do take it for granted. No one actually puts any effort into it any more, no one cares. It really sucks, and the best way to help with that is to make them smarter, by having them go to school. Wait... We're fucked.
JMeganSnow said:This would be because High School really *won't* have much of an effect on their life. For most people, modern schools are simply a holding pen that puts off the time when they would normally be acquiring *job skills* and starting to earn money. So why should they take it seriously? They really are not ever going to be asked to recite a William Blake poem or use the algebra they memorized.Korten12 said:Here in America (specifically New York) I try my hardest in school and get high moderate to Good grades (amazing in Social Studies.
Everything I know that has actually been of any use to me, I learned in my own time, on my own recognizance, and I know it far better and more thoroughly than *anything* I was taught in school. (Oh, and by the way, I took AP classes and got a 1490 on the SAT, so don't think I wasn't paying attention in school, either.)
And for those students that ARE planning jobs in academics, technology, law, and medicine (the fields where a degree *actually does something for you*), they'd be far better off if their classes weren't pointlessly cluttered with people just waiting for the bell to ring.
Actually, the shit we learn isn't going to help us. The methods we're taught with which to learn them DO help. They're just examples for us to work off. School tends to measure how well we learn, as opposed to what we learn. Sure, I can't remember the first thing about Seamus Heaney or whatever the prick's name was, but I know how to apply the same tactics to other, more important examples to glean necessary information. Looking for 'themes' and hidden messages in poetry also helps me decipher political speeches and such - as conspiracy theory-ish that sounds.
See, that's why you take all honors and ap classes, so those people aren't actually there.JMeganSnow said:This would be because High School really *won't* have much of an effect on their life. For most people, modern schools are simply a holding pen that puts off the time when they would normally be acquiring *job skills* and starting to earn money. So why should they take it seriously? They really are not ever going to be asked to recite a William Blake poem or use the algebra they memorized.Korten12 said:Here in America (specifically New York) I try my hardest in school and get high moderate to Good grades (amazing in Social Studies.
Everything I know that has actually been of any use to me, I learned in my own time, on my own recognizance, and I know it far better and more thoroughly than *anything* I was taught in school. (Oh, and by the way, I took AP classes and got a 1490 on the SAT, so don't think I wasn't paying attention in school, either.)
And for those students that ARE planning jobs in academics, technology, law, and medicine (the fields where a degree *actually does something for you*), they'd be far better off if their classes weren't
pointlessly cluttered with people just waiting for the bell to ring.
That might once have been true, but it's not now. Most schools don't teach in a comprehensive, method-oriented manner any more, so any virtues they might once have had are rapidly disappearing.Thyunda said:JMeganSnow said:This would be because High School really *won't* have much of an effect on their life. For most people, modern schools are simply a holding pen that puts off the time when they would normally be acquiring *job skills* and starting to earn money. So why should they take it seriously? They really are not ever going to be asked to recite a William Blake poem or use the algebra they memorized.Korten12 said:Here in America (specifically New York) I try my hardest in school and get high moderate to Good grades (amazing in Social Studies.
Everything I know that has actually been of any use to me, I learned in my own time, on my own recognizance, and I know it far better and more thoroughly than *anything* I was taught in school. (Oh, and by the way, I took AP classes and got a 1490 on the SAT, so don't think I wasn't paying attention in school, either.)
And for those students that ARE planning jobs in academics, technology, law, and medicine (the fields where a degree *actually does something for you*), they'd be far better off if their classes weren't pointlessly cluttered with people just waiting for the bell to ring.
Actually, the shit we learn isn't going to help us. The methods we're taught with which to learn them DO help. They're just examples for us to work off. School tends to measure how well we learn, as opposed to what we learn. Sure, I can't remember the first thing about Seamus Heaney or whatever the prick's name was, but I know how to apply the same tactics to other, more important examples to glean necessary information. Looking for 'themes' and hidden messages in poetry also helps me decipher political speeches and such - as conspiracy theory-ish that sounds.
There are exceptions--but they are just that, exceptions.
