I'm sorry about that. I'm incredibly angry at over-privileged American college kids saying what you said. I've never been to Spain, so I don't really have any comment on your opinion in relation to Spain's class system. I apologize unreservedly and request that you forward all of that misdirected anger back at it's intended target.Noelveiga said:
Poll: Are scholarships designated for African-Americans racist?
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Very true. I guess I took this a step further without even realizing it and was talking about equal opportunity in either actually applying for college or for a job. Very similar but now that I think about not really the same.Icarion said:
For being such a hotly debated and controversial subject, the solution is remarkably simple.
Given that we assume that these scholarships are available in the United States, which guarantees the equality of every citizen, it is an action contrary to our principles to suggest that some individuals are born requiring more help than others.
During my undergrad years, I recall going into the Financial Aid office expecting to leave with heaps of well-deserved scholarship applications... What I got was the counselor explaining to me that because I was black and Mexican, I'd qualify for several things. Nevermind the small fact that I was a double major or that I'd kept an extremely high GPA. No, it was my accidental features that defined me, not the hours and hours of work I spent studying.
If one wants equality, these racialist half-steps are not the way to go about it. If one wants to perpetuate inequality and continue to pretend that an historical event - no matter how historically common - can dictate the life of an individual generations away... well, you're welcome to that position too.
Given that we assume that these scholarships are available in the United States, which guarantees the equality of every citizen, it is an action contrary to our principles to suggest that some individuals are born requiring more help than others.
During my undergrad years, I recall going into the Financial Aid office expecting to leave with heaps of well-deserved scholarship applications... What I got was the counselor explaining to me that because I was black and Mexican, I'd qualify for several things. Nevermind the small fact that I was a double major or that I'd kept an extremely high GPA. No, it was my accidental features that defined me, not the hours and hours of work I spent studying.
If one wants equality, these racialist half-steps are not the way to go about it. If one wants to perpetuate inequality and continue to pretend that an historical event - no matter how historically common - can dictate the life of an individual generations away... well, you're welcome to that position too.
A private entity can offer a reward for any activity or type of person it desires. To deny YOUR money to someone on the basis of race, gender, religious views, sexual orientation or political ideas is totally legitimate. Of course, if this was funded by the governemnt then that is naturally riduculous, but assuming it's some guy or organization choosing to honour black students I'm fine with this.
They are from private investors, so noone except them has any power to change it. If you see someone give a dollar to an african-american homeless man over another caucasian homeless man, you don't have any power to make him split it between them.
The school system itself has some power to give scholarships based on race, it just cant be the deciding factor. Just look at Affirmative Action
The school system itself has some power to give scholarships based on race, it just cant be the deciding factor. Just look at Affirmative Action
From a technical standpoint, yes.
But as far as I know, since Scholarships are free money from the people, nobody has the right to tell those people who they can and can't give it out to. They can set whatever stipulations they please.
Or something like that.
But as far as I know, since Scholarships are free money from the people, nobody has the right to tell those people who they can and can't give it out to. They can set whatever stipulations they please.
Or something like that.
I saw this all the time in my run up to high school graduation, scholarships and bursaries that were available exclusively to Natives, Ukrainians, or any other ethnic group, and sometimes women. Let's face it, if someone began offering a scholarship exclusively to white men, they would be nailed to the fucking wall, how is this any different?
Well of course it's because white men already have a leg up, and so they decide to over compensate and leave them out of the running for getting an education. I do not feel guilty about being a white man. Just because white men were assholes in the past doesn't mean I am now. We need to get past this affirmative action bullshit. If there's prejudice, deal with it, but don't decide to counteract prejudice by adding more in the opposite direction, that's just making things worse.
Well of course it's because white men already have a leg up, and so they decide to over compensate and leave them out of the running for getting an education. I do not feel guilty about being a white man. Just because white men were assholes in the past doesn't mean I am now. We need to get past this affirmative action bullshit. If there's prejudice, deal with it, but don't decide to counteract prejudice by adding more in the opposite direction, that's just making things worse.
They aren't the perfect solution, but right now, I feel like they're really the best option we've got. It's easy to think racism is dead, but these are the simple facts: Statistically, African-American families have less than white families. This is the direct result of a decade-spanning, concentrated effort to disenfranchise anyone who isn't white, an effort that continues even today whether suburban America chooses to see it or not.
From human standpoint, it's not fair and it shouldn't continue. Unfortunately, most of the people in power in this country don't see African-Americans (or anyone who isn't a white US citizen, for that matter) as human beings. Maybe in a couple of centuries, we'll be ready to play on an even field, but for now, it just isn't in the cards.
From human standpoint, it's not fair and it shouldn't continue. Unfortunately, most of the people in power in this country don't see African-Americans (or anyone who isn't a white US citizen, for that matter) as human beings. Maybe in a couple of centuries, we'll be ready to play on an even field, but for now, it just isn't in the cards.
yes they are, and they are headed by a bunch if people so patronsingly self righteoous second only to those who do gender studies.
I was in a student protest occupation a while back and i realised it was full of people like this i left pausing only to troll them.
I was in a student protest occupation a while back and i realised it was full of people like this i left pausing only to troll them.
I don't think they are racist. Racism is letting an individual be treated differently based on there race. Black people are, typically, in a lower socio-economic status then other races, so the scholarship is designed to level the playing field. A black kid from the ghetto with a scholarship may have chances comparable to a white kid without one. You can argue about the outcome all day, but the intent is good and the theory is sound, and I'm not prepared to call racism on a problem with execution.
The point of difference is that they are a minority, and the grants are expected to improve the minorities culture. Same thing happens here in New Zealand. We have scholarships for Maori (though their scholarships come from their tribes so it's sort of fair enough) and Pacific Islanders, they also get free tutoring and stuff like that. I'm not sure how it is over there as far as equal opportunities goes but over here it's pretty much fine.
The problem is in the upbringing of children from the other races, which leads to many being disadvantaged from the start. While i don't agree with the racial selection methods, it's the easiest way forward for the people. The more of that race which gets a chance at higher education, and as a result a better job, more money, etc, means more of the future generation to get higher education, better jobs, more money, and so equality, and all they have to do is throw money at it.
I think the better place to start would be in altering the mindset of the parents of young children. Encouraging learning and intelligence from an early age so they can start on the same playing field as everyone else, rather than hand outs to students based on their race later on.
The problem is in the upbringing of children from the other races, which leads to many being disadvantaged from the start. While i don't agree with the racial selection methods, it's the easiest way forward for the people. The more of that race which gets a chance at higher education, and as a result a better job, more money, etc, means more of the future generation to get higher education, better jobs, more money, and so equality, and all they have to do is throw money at it.
I think the better place to start would be in altering the mindset of the parents of young children. Encouraging learning and intelligence from an early age so they can start on the same playing field as everyone else, rather than hand outs to students based on their race later on.
