Poll: Are We Entitled?

[Epona]

My local grocery store had 2 liter Pepsi's on sale. I should only get 90% of the Pepsi since it was 10% off right? I think you need to develop your theory a little more.

Incorrect. They are actively selling you a new Pepsi at a lower price. They are asking less for a product on their own volition. They have the right to create an asking price for a product, and take a loss in profit if that is the result.
They mark the price down, and you purchase it at that price. You are not buying second hand soda. My theory doesn't need to be developed, reading comprehension, or reasoning may need to be used on the readers end. A marked down soda, is COMPLETELY different than a preowned product. You don't get mad when clothes you buy from the thrift store are of lesser quality do you?

...but I didn't pay FULL PRICE and therefore shouldn't get the FULL experience.

 

[cookyy2k]

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you know what. Congratulations. This is probably the worst argument I have ever seen.

"PEOPLE BK DEN BUY USE BUT EXPECT NEW QUALITY" First of all. Who? Who bought used and expected New? I dont believe that was the majority good sir, because that would be completely illogical to expect new quality with used quality.

The your last point, I assume you THINK it ties everything together, but sorry friend. I dont know how to tell you this. Your argument is logically flawed in every way. You have to tie point a to point B. You cant have some random ass story then assert your point at the end and that is your argument. That's nonsense.
Plus no one is even talking about New versus used. We are talking about day one dlc's. You know content on the disc? You know what people expect when they buy used: the fucking game. NOTHING more, nothing less. When shit is being hacked off for profit, we have a big fucking problem here.

It wont be long before we pay $60 for the engine, textures and 1st level then $10 to download each subsequent level (which are all on the disc of course) and we'll still have people paying it, saying it's a brilliant strategy and calling everyone who says it's awful entitled.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

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you know what. Congratulations. This is probably the worst argument I have ever seen.

"PEOPLE BK DEN BUY USE BUT EXPECT NEW QUALITY" First of all. Who? Who bought used and expected New? I dont believe that was the majority good sir, because that would be completely illogical to expect new quality with used quality.

The your last point, I assume you THINK it ties everything together, but sorry friend. I dont know how to tell you this. Your argument is logically flawed in every way. You have to tie point a to point B. You cant have some random ass story then assert your point at the end and that is your argument. That's nonsense.
Plus no one is even talking about New versus used. We are talking about day one dlc's. You know content on the disc? You know what people expect when they buy used: the fucking game. NOTHING more, nothing less. When shit is being hacked off for profit, we have a big fucking problem here.

It wont be long before we pay $60 for the engine, textures and 1st level then $10 to download each subsequent level (which are all on the disc of course) and we'll still have people paying it, saying it's a brilliant strategy and calling everyone who says it's awful entitled.

Ah yes, slippery slope fallacy, I haven't seen you in a while.

'X has done Y, which means they will eventually do Z'

A pleasure, as always.

 

[Vegosiux]

My local grocery store had 2 liter Pepsi's on sale. I should only get 90% of the Pepsi since it was 10% off right? I think you need to develop your theory a little more.

Incorrect. They are actively selling you a new Pepsi at a lower price. They are asking less for a product on their own volition. They have the right to create an asking price for a product, and take a loss in profit if that is the result.
They mark the price down, and you purchase it at that price. You are not buying second hand soda. My theory doesn't need to be developed, reading comprehension, or reasoning may need to be used on the readers end. A marked down soda, is COMPLETELY different than a preowned product. You don't get mad when clothes you buy from the thrift store are of lesser quality do you?

...but I didn't pay FULL PRICE and therefore shouldn't get the FULL experience.

You did pay the full price.

Full price is whatever the retailer is charging you.

 

[cookyy2k]

If you want an opinion on a company's decisions, buy stocks.
You people make me sick.

sorry but since you've never bought stock in me (or you know even met me) by your own argument you can't have the opinion that my decisions make you sick.

I can happily have an opinion on what a company does without having to own part of that company.

Oh and just in case you insist on your ridiculous point I own stock in Sony, Nintendo and SquareEnix and there are many things they do I hate but I own nowhere near enought shares to make my opinion matter to them because I'm no millionaire...

 

[him over there]

I remember when new games cost 50-60 quid and if they were buggy, tough shit.

Kids today don't know how good they've got it.

I remember those times too. I also remember I didn't know a single person who owned more than two and every other thing was rented and played between four different people.

 

[Epona]

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you know what. Congratulations. This is probably the worst argument I have ever seen.

"PEOPLE BK DEN BUY USE BUT EXPECT NEW QUALITY" First of all. Who? Who bought used and expected New? I dont believe that was the majority good sir, because that would be completely illogical to expect new quality with used quality.

The your last point, I assume you THINK it ties everything together, but sorry friend. I dont know how to tell you this. Your argument is logically flawed in every way. You have to tie point a to point B. You cant have some random ass story then assert your point at the end and that is your argument. That's nonsense.
Plus no one is even talking about New versus used. We are talking about day one dlc's. You know content on the disc? You know what people expect when they buy used: the fucking game. NOTHING more, nothing less. When shit is being hacked off for profit, we have a big fucking problem here.

It wont be long before we pay $60 for the engine, textures and 1st level then $10 to download each subsequent level (which are all on the disc of course) and we'll still have people paying it, saying it's a brilliant strategy and calling everyone who says it's awful entitled.

Ah yes, slippery slope fallacy, I haven't seen you in a while.

'X has done Y, which means they will eventually do Z'

A pleasure, as always.

Yeah, people used that fallacy when DLC first started getting popular and they said that eventually DLC would be coming out on Day One. We all know how wrong they were..right?

 

[Daystar Clarion]

I remember when new games cost 50-60 quid and if they were buggy, tough shit.

Kids today don't know how good they've got it.

I remember those times too. I also remember I didn't know a single person who owned more than two and every other thing was rented and played between four different people.

I remember those days fondly.

As a child, I would rent older titles for a week for £2 and newers ones for 3 days for £3, it was a great way of seeing if I liked a title before I asked my parents to buy it me for my birthday/Christmas.

 

[Epona]

My local grocery store had 2 liter Pepsi's on sale. I should only get 90% of the Pepsi since it was 10% off right? I think you need to develop your theory a little more.

Incorrect. They are actively selling you a new Pepsi at a lower price. They are asking less for a product on their own volition. They have the right to create an asking price for a product, and take a loss in profit if that is the result.
They mark the price down, and you purchase it at that price. You are not buying second hand soda. My theory doesn't need to be developed, reading comprehension, or reasoning may need to be used on the readers end. A marked down soda, is COMPLETELY different than a preowned product. You don't get mad when clothes you buy from the thrift store are of lesser quality do you?

...but I didn't pay FULL PRICE and therefore shouldn't get the FULL experience.

You did pay the full price.

Full price is whatever the retailer is charging you.

Oh well, if I buy a used game at Gamestop, I am also paying full price. That doesn't count?

 

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

I have a rule about entitlement and it goes something like "You think you're entitled to something? Ahahahahahaha! Oh my, please do tell that one at the next get together, it'll kill the guys in the pub."

You aren't entitled to anything. Ever. Even when you've paid for it, money is nothing.

Instead of moaning about the things you didn't like about the game, how it didn't live up to your expectations or how they've tricked and conned you into buying something you should simply not buy it. If you're going to whine like a little ***** every time you don't get your way then you don't get to play with your toys any more. If you have that big an issue with it then go about changing it, don't expect someone else to just because you expect them to.

 

[Keava]

There are always two sides of the coin.

In a way, majority of vocal gaming community is bunch of morons with deep belief that They are entitled to every single thing. There will always be someone complaining about the slightest crap they manage to come up with, and often do so on basis of pure ignorance and lack of knowledge regarding the issue.

On the other hand however, there is plenty of unsettling trends within the industry that grew over last years. From companies doing simply lazy/bad jobs on porting between platforms (mainly console->PC issue), through releases of buggy/unfinished/shovelware titles and DRM hindering the gameplay, to extremes like cutting content from game to sell it on day of release as DLC (again, i'm talking about selling actual content, not skin packs/vanity stuff nor issue with used games) .

When I pay for a product i expect it to be full product, of certain quality. If they don't deliver it I feel no reason I should buy it. It's a hobby, fun and engaging, but also luxury and thus not essential to my life. Not to mention that with competition from indie developers I can pretty much always find something that has good value-to-price ratio.

Sadly big part of said vocal community will moan, whine, complain and rage on various internet outlets and then, on day of release, obediently pay for the product they obviously hate so much, so they can moan, whine, complain and rage some more. Lack of integrity among gamers is what let's companies to pull some stuff they simply shouldn't be allowed to.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

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you know what. Congratulations. This is probably the worst argument I have ever seen.

"PEOPLE BK DEN BUY USE BUT EXPECT NEW QUALITY" First of all. Who? Who bought used and expected New? I dont believe that was the majority good sir, because that would be completely illogical to expect new quality with used quality.

The your last point, I assume you THINK it ties everything together, but sorry friend. I dont know how to tell you this. Your argument is logically flawed in every way. You have to tie point a to point B. You cant have some random ass story then assert your point at the end and that is your argument. That's nonsense.
Plus no one is even talking about New versus used. We are talking about day one dlc's. You know content on the disc? You know what people expect when they buy used: the fucking game. NOTHING more, nothing less. When shit is being hacked off for profit, we have a big fucking problem here.

It wont be long before we pay $60 for the engine, textures and 1st level then $10 to download each subsequent level (which are all on the disc of course) and we'll still have people paying it, saying it's a brilliant strategy and calling everyone who says it's awful entitled.

Ah yes, slippery slope fallacy, I haven't seen you in a while.

'X has done Y, which means they will eventually do Z'

A pleasure, as always.

Yeah, people used that fallacy when DLC first started getting popular and they said that eventually DLC would be coming out on Day One. We all know how wrong they were..right?

Yeah, except one thing coming to fruition doesn't automatically validate any other theories, it's still a fallacy.

 

[cookyy2k]

I remember when new games cost 50-60 quid and if they were buggy, tough shit.

Kids today don't know how good they've got it.

I remember those times too. I also remember I didn't know a single person who owned more than two and every other thing was rented and played between four different people.

I remember those days fondly.

As a child, I would rent older titles for a week for 2£ and newers ones for 3 days for £3, it was a great way of seeing if I liked a title before I asked my parents to buy it me for my birthday/Christmas.

As well as an ability to buy used and not have content withheld or be compared to a pirate by the company who made it.

 

[him over there]

I remember when new games cost 50-60 quid and if they were buggy, tough shit.

Kids today don't know how good they've got it.

I remember those times too. I also remember I didn't know a single person who owned more than two and every other thing was rented and played between four different people.

I remember those days fondly.

As a child, I would rent older titles for a week for £2 and newers ones for 3 days for £3, it was a great way of seeing if I liked a title before I asked my parents to buy it me for my birthday/Christmas.

You bought them after renting them? We just had a different game every week and revisited the ones we really liked. I saved up all my washing dad's car money to make sure to get one each weekend.

 

[cookyy2k]

You aren't entitled to anything. Ever. Even when you've paid for it, money is nothing.

Ah yes, as per all the others who use this word and do not know its meaning your statement is wrong.

en·ti·tle
verb /enˈtītl/ 
entitled, past participle; entitled, past tense; entitles, 3rd person singular present; entitling, present participle

Give (someone) a legal right or a just claim to receive or do something

Once I have payed for something I am entitled to it... strange that isn't it...

 

[Epona]

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you know what. Congratulations. This is probably the worst argument I have ever seen.

"PEOPLE BK DEN BUY USE BUT EXPECT NEW QUALITY" First of all. Who? Who bought used and expected New? I dont believe that was the majority good sir, because that would be completely illogical to expect new quality with used quality.

The your last point, I assume you THINK it ties everything together, but sorry friend. I dont know how to tell you this. Your argument is logically flawed in every way. You have to tie point a to point B. You cant have some random ass story then assert your point at the end and that is your argument. That's nonsense.
Plus no one is even talking about New versus used. We are talking about day one dlc's. You know content on the disc? You know what people expect when they buy used: the fucking game. NOTHING more, nothing less. When shit is being hacked off for profit, we have a big fucking problem here.

It wont be long before we pay $60 for the engine, textures and 1st level then $10 to download each subsequent level (which are all on the disc of course) and we'll still have people paying it, saying it's a brilliant strategy and calling everyone who says it's awful entitled.

Ah yes, slippery slope fallacy, I haven't seen you in a while.

'X has done Y, which means they will eventually do Z'

A pleasure, as always.

Yeah, people used that fallacy when DLC first started getting popular and they said that eventually DLC would be coming out on Day One. We all know how wrong they were..right?

Yeah, except one thing coming to fruition doesn't automatically validate any other theories, it's still a fallacy.

Yeah and every slippery slope isn't a fallacy either.

 

[Vegosiux]

Well, Gamestop isn't exactly retail, it's second hand, right?

All in all, what I'm saying, if you paid the full price, no matter the number that full price was at on a given day, you're entitled to the full product.

Even if the games are being given away for free by the retailer/publisher for some reason, you're STILL entitled to the entire, full product.

See, let's do the flawed car analogies. Sure, DLC's in the form of rims and fancy paint jobs are okay. But I'm going to laugh in the face of someone who wants to charge me extra for a spare tire, something every car is required to have, something that's essentially part of the full product, not an add-on.

Basically, as long as DLC's are just frills and cosmetic stuff, okay, no problem, throw your money at it people. But if it's something pivotal to the game, then why the hell wasn't it in the game to begin with?

 

[Daystar Clarion]

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you know what. Congratulations. This is probably the worst argument I have ever seen.

"PEOPLE BK DEN BUY USE BUT EXPECT NEW QUALITY" First of all. Who? Who bought used and expected New? I dont believe that was the majority good sir, because that would be completely illogical to expect new quality with used quality.

The your last point, I assume you THINK it ties everything together, but sorry friend. I dont know how to tell you this. Your argument is logically flawed in every way. You have to tie point a to point B. You cant have some random ass story then assert your point at the end and that is your argument. That's nonsense.
Plus no one is even talking about New versus used. We are talking about day one dlc's. You know content on the disc? You know what people expect when they buy used: the fucking game. NOTHING more, nothing less. When shit is being hacked off for profit, we have a big fucking problem here.

It wont be long before we pay $60 for the engine, textures and 1st level then $10 to download each subsequent level (which are all on the disc of course) and we'll still have people paying it, saying it's a brilliant strategy and calling everyone who says it's awful entitled.

Ah yes, slippery slope fallacy, I haven't seen you in a while.

'X has done Y, which means they will eventually do Z'

A pleasure, as always.

Yeah, people used that fallacy when DLC first started getting popular and they said that eventually DLC would be coming out on Day One. We all know how wrong they were..right?

Yeah, except one thing coming to fruition doesn't automatically validate any other theories, it's still a fallacy.

Yeah and every slippery slope isn't a fallacy either.

It's considered a fallacy because there's no evidence to support it. Hindsight doesn't sudenly make supposition from the past less of a fallacy.