Poll: Are We Entitled?

[Epona]

Are you angry because I don't care who you are? Is it really so hard for you to believe that people read posts, not poster names?

You reply to me, I read it, I don't really care who you are. I know though, you can't imagine that.

I'm sorry, I am now going to take a moment to laugh my ass off at your idiotic conjectures.
*Laughs ass off.*
No, I'm not grilling you for not knowing my name, I'm grilling you for claiming your not even paying attention to what you've been doing for a couple of pages now. I'm grilling you because you're absolutely inconsistent with everything you do, and when you're called on it all you've got it, "U mad bro cause I doesn't know who you is?". I at least take the time to keep track of my arguments and my opponent's counterarguments. You apparently thinking it's beneath you to spare even such a courtesy is quite hilarious actually.
I'm actually starting to enjoy this. It's like talking to an idiot savant, without the savant part.
So please, go ahead, point to where I was, "mad" at you for not knowing my name.

I don't know what to tell you, you are not my opponent. I am talking to everyone in this thread that I respond to, not just you or any other single person.

If you are concentrating on my posts, I'm flattered but that's not the way I do things. Surely you can understand that.

I'll tell you what, from here on out I will try not to respond to you. You win, I lose.

 

[Epona]

I don't know what to tell you, you are not my opponent. I am talking to everyone in this thread that I respond to, not just you or any other single person.

If you are concentrating on my posts, I'm flattered but that's not the way I do things. Surely you can understand that.

I'll tell you what, from here on out I will try not to respond to you. You win, I lose.

Another timeless classic! "I'm responding to everyone here, not you." The bolding was for emphasis. If you are responding to everyone, and you respond to my posts, and you take an opposing stance to my post, you are my opponent in this debate. Otherwise you're just posting for the sake of taking up post space. And that would make you a troll.

Reported for calling me a troll. Now please, feel free to ignore my posts.

 

[Vanilla_Druid]

I suppose, I do not have to worry too much about this since I normally stick with Nintendo systems. I like having the games cost $40-$50 and complete. Sure, the Wii may not be "hardcore" or "manly", but at least I know I will have my money's worth.

That's exactally why I scoff at the Wii.

It isn't MANLY enough for me! I need testosterone-fuled Power fanties FULL of blood and gore to satisfy my mighty manly gaming needs... the fact that I'm a straight female doesn't matter.

GIVE ME VIOLENCE AND TITS!! YEEEEAAAARRRRRGGGHHH!!!!!!

and you know... it's got nothing to do with the fact that my choices would range from over-priced nintendo games to shovelware

I manage to find some titles that are actually quite good such as Tatsunoko vs. Capcom and Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn (the Fire Emblem game may be a Nintendo game, but it is 40+ hour game that cost me $50, not a bad deal). I also like the Wiiware and Virtual Console (I know the other systems have stuff like that, but it is much easier to start playing the games). The menus are much easier to navigate and do not hurt my eyes with overly small text (my eye-sight is bad). I do, however, admit that it is harder to find good third-party games for the Wii, so I have a 360 for that. Of course, I usually play my 3DS for the DS has a lot of strategy and JRPGs (which are my favourite genres).

 

[Vault101]

I suppose, I do not have to worry too much about this since I normally stick with Nintendo systems. I like having the games cost $40-$50 and complete. Sure, the Wii may not be "hardcore" or "manly", but at least I know I will have my money's worth.

That's exactally why I scoff at the Wii.

It isn't MANLY enough for me! I need testosterone-fuled Power fanties FULL of blood and gore to satisfy my mighty manly gaming needs... the fact that I'm a straight female doesn't matter.

GIVE ME VIOLENCE AND TITS!! YEEEEAAAARRRRRGGGHHH!!!!!!

and you know... it's got nothing to do with the fact that my choices would range from over-priced nintendo games to shovelware

I manage to find some titles that are actually quite good such as Tatsunoko vs. Capcom and Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn (the Fire Emblem game may be a Nintendo game, but it is 40+ hour game that cost me $50, not a bad deal). I also like the Wiiware and Virtual Console (I know the other systems have stuff like that, but it is much easier to start playing the games). The menus are much easier to navigate and do not hurt my eyes with overly small text (my eye-sight is bad). I do, however, admit that it is harder to find good third-party games for the Wii, so I have a 360 for that. Of course, I usually play my 3DS for the DS has a lot of strategy and JRPGs (which are my favourite genres).

and thats fine

I just felt it was a little unfair to dismiss peoples disinterest in the Wii because of some wanky "macho-jock" mindset (like Moviebob in his gameoverthinker vids), when that isnt true at all..it just doesnt cater to my gaming needs

 

[z121231211]

You're entitled to whatever you pay for. And if you seem to be paying for licenses to products, rather than the products themselves, that's your loss. Especially if you're aware of it.

I'm definitely in the "Vote with your wallet" camp.

 

[lacktheknack]

Yes. Yes we are.

See: The "Give Moar Updates" Minecraft DDOS. See also: Piracy. See also: human nature.

 

[Twilight_guy]

Yes. Yes we are. We are making demands and telling the company, the artists who make a product, how they should make their product. We are dictating what we believe to be correct tot he people who make it and threatening the creators. Worst, we are arguing against the owners having rights and instead insisting that any system that the creator uses that doesn't meet our standards is bad. We are entitled assholes.

 

[lacktheknack]

Yes. Yes we are.

See: The "Give Moar Updates" Minecraft DDOS. See also: Piracy. See also: human nature.

to be fair; piracy is about convenience not entitlement. No one thinks they deserve a game free. Atleast the majority don't.

EVERY SINGLE PIRATE I know in real life does.

"Hell no, I'm not paying for that. I'm gonna download it, that's free."

Entitlement at its finest.

 

[jensenthejman]

The title and then question for the pull asked are incredibly misleading and bring me to believe that it was purposefully done so to make your arguement seem stronger, especially when you point out that all of these things are expensive and yet you still buy it.

Seriously, all the people who ***** and then go out and buy the game and all it's DLC annoy the hell out of me. Kind of like the people who complain about DRM and then pirate the game 'in protest.' We've gotten to the point where, even if our arguements are valid, we still can't go without playing the things that piss us off. Because then we'd miss out and that'd be an end of the freaking world to us.

Don't get me wrong. I think some of the things that these companies pull are incredibly unfair to the customer. The effect of which is I'm unlikely to buy future games from them. I'll still buy Mass Effect 3 even if I do understand and kind of agree with the arguement against it (which I'm not going to go into my feelings on Day-1 DLC as that's another thing entirely). But I'm not going to complain because, DLC or not, I expect Mass Effect 3 to be twice the game most others are with enough to keep me going to be more then worth it. Now Dragon Age 3, Or the next IP they come out with? It's not so cut and dry, and this will be remembered as something against them when I go to pick it up.

As for the actual question: Yes. I believe a large portion of the 'gamers' group have entitlement issues. Do we deserve better then we get? I believe that's also yes. I think there's no problem with expecting more from your games unless you go in with unrealistic standards. If you don't like something a company does or a game they put out then the solution is simple. Don't buy from them. Nobody is forcing you to spend money on their product. If enough people actually go without (god forbid) then the companies might actually start listening. As it is now, many gamers still seem to act surprised when companies don't listen to them even though they still buy all the products that company puts out reguardless of what they do.

Pretty much this.

 

[Plinglebob]

Yes Gamers do have an entitlement problem. In relative terms, game prices have either stayed the same or dropped in the 20 years since I started playing. Hell, I remember Donkey Kong 64 retailing at £50, and buying Pokemon Red for £30. Adjusted for inflation (average 3%/yr)a handheld game like Pokemon would be retailing for £45 and a AAA game would cost over £70.

Personally I think that if I buy a game then the only thing I'm entitled to is whats in the box plus additional tech support in the form of patches for a couple of years to fix any bugs that may have been missed. Anything else is fair game. I've never seen proof of more then a few companys purposely holding back content to then sell as DLC and fully accept the reasons people like Bioware give. I suppose I remember the days of expansion packs which were pretty much DLC on disk and I have to say I prefer it this way.

Finally, there are two issues that people seem to ignore when it comes to games. The first is that like it or not, game makers are not a charity. The second is that they are a luxery item and you not being able to buy a game is not going to kill you.

Hmm, seems that law degree has made rather impartial. Impartiality is a nice thing, makes me feel...

Fair.

Thank whichever deity you prey to you arn't a business accountant. You're trained to be impartial where as I'm trained to be on the companys side.

 

[DioWallachia]

Do we desserve better? Yes, but we have to make clear what is "better" so the developers understand.

The people on top doesnt realize that they just need the right elements on a game to make it work and not better graphics to make a good game. They just need enough. The problem is that the fanbase of any game are too rabid and incoherent to get a global idea of WTF they want. If gamers could at least critize the games they love then the developers could see what works and and what doesn't since the perspective of a consumer is a vital data if only the person could at least act like a human being and not a permanent manchild in his 40 who thinks that he is still a 12 years old. The bad reputation of gamers have reached the ignorant masses and now the developers are using the masses to get the info of what the gamers want, thus creating a confusing scenario. Then again, like i said, the gamers are not making their voices be know in a way that doesnt sound like winning.

People here say that we are rotten for being spoiled so munch and i agree that lots of games are waaaaaaaaay ahead from where they were in the 90's. But keep in mind that the producers of video games are just doing what made money before and make games essentially bigger and bigger simply because they have no clue of what to do next. And the more we demand, the more they "think" we need bigger and better, so logically all this DLC and a bunch of other stuff is to make sure they manage a profit or otherwise they will go out of business for not covering their expenses.
Sure, you may think that companies are nebulous corporation of evil incarnate who actually have lots of money to burn but then again why wouldnt a company want to make that impresion?? I mean, if you say out loud that your company is about to bite the dust then everyone and their mom will try to put a nail in your coffin, but giving the impresion of a impenetrable fortress of evil is, for all good and bad things, necessary to stay in business.

So i will say it again, if we do not voice our opinions toughs someone influential in this critical moment, then you may as well stop paying for games because the image of deluded fanboy will be ingrained in the minds of the producers permanently. Seek help of the Extra Credits guys at the very least.

 

[Beryl77]

Of course, we're entitled, without us the big gaming companies wouldn't exist. When we get something bad, it's perfectly reasonable to complain about it. I surely won't just shut up and accept everything a company does. That's just stupid in my opinion.
Of course I realise that people can overdo it and there are limits to what we deserve but I prefer that over doing nothing.

 

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

Ah yes, as per all the others who use this word and do not know its meaning your statement is wrong.

en·ti·tle
verb /enˈtītl/ 
entitled, past participle; entitled, past tense; entitles, 3rd person singular present; entitling, present participle

Give (someone) a legal right or a just claim to receive or do something

Once I have payed for something I am entitled to it... strange that isn't it...

Oh, it's this argument again. Stop using dictionary definitions as an argument it doesn't strengthen anything, it just makes you look like a condescending ****.

In any case legal right is nothing, it's paper not power. Don't try and change my mind about it, just walk away.

 

[Fappy]

Here's the deal. In the US there are very few laws protecting consumers. This is due to our capitalistic nature, which assuming we as consumers are intelligent usually turns out alright. The problem is that corporations such as EA and Activision can take advantage of consumers/fans/etc. because they know the gaming community is a disorganized clusterfuck and that most people don't even realize they are being fucked over. What's the solution? Vote with your wallet. That's the best you can do. If enough people don't buy into a business practice that business practice will fail. That's the way capitalism works.

Do we deserve better? Yes. Don't these companies NEED to treat us better? Not unless we show them they do.