Poll: Are We Entitled?

[Toilet]

Gaming is a very expensive hobby/lifestyle(?) and as a community we are very vocal with our opinions and after reading "The Dangers of Gamer Entitlement" [http://uk.gamespot.com/features/the-dangers-of-gamer-entitlement-6350732/] I have come to think are we entitled to more from developers and publishers or do we just scream and shout like a spoiled child.

Over all I think we deserve a lot more, according to EULAs and License Agreements we pay a few hundred £/$ to own a license to a console, then we pay £39.99/$59.99 to own the license to a game (which in some digital distribution service can be taken away), at which point DLC is advertised and while we can not pay for it sometimes it is necessary to get the complete experience (see the Mass Effect 3 Prothean character/mission dlc) that may be included on the disc or made during development for pure monetary gain.

After all that we have to appease the local DRM and then if you want to connect your console to the online service you have to pay your ISP (and purchase a Gold Account for Xbox Owners), sign up for the service and then when you are finally online you have to go through system and game updates.

And when we finally get to play the game and it isn't good so a large majority complain (and others resort to pretty insults) we get called "Entitled". As far as I am concerned I see why people pirate games we deserve better, companies do not deserve or earn our money it is a trade of goods and sometimes the goods aren't worth the price.

 

[Kahunaburger]

In a broader sense, yes. We have access to a magical box that plays games with us, enough leisure time to use said magic box, and we complain about the pricing model of the games the magic box plays with us.

#FirstWorldProblems #21stCenturyProblems

 

[Zhukov]

You've gone and done that thing where the question in the thread title is different to the one above the poll. Now you won't know which one people are answering when they vote.

(Why yes, I am going to point this out every single time someone does it.)

Anyway...

Yeah, gamers, at least those on the internet, have some severe entitlement issues. The idea that we "deserve" anything at all from a luxury goods business is fucking laughable. If video games were somehow vital to one's survival or health, then there might be something to gripe about. As it is, they're just an amusement we use to pass our spare hours. Developers, publishers and the games industry as a whole owes us absolutely nothing.

Video games, for better or worse, are a business. If you don't agree with a company's practices then have the fucking balls to vote with your wallet and don't support them. Don't like the way console manufacturers try to control their products? Don't buy the bloody console. Don't like developers/publishers releasing Day 1 DLC? Don't by the bloody DLC. Don't buy the bloody game. Don't think a particular product is worth the asking price? Don't bloody buy it.

I support and admire people who are willing to withdraw their custom from a given business on principle, even if I personally disagree with whatever principle that may be.

However, I most definitely don't admire those people who whine themselves inside out while still handing over their money, and I fucking despise those who declare their intention to "boycott" something and show those nasty publishers who's boss, then turn right around, bend over and hand over the dough anyway. Yes, I'm looking at you Left 4 Dead 2 boycotters and Modern Warfare 2 we-want-dedicated-servers people.

 

[Ranorak]

Yes, yes some gamers are.

I've heard people crying about the hats being for sale in Portal 2, and that they should be free.

Virtual. Hats. For. Multiplayer.

I like DLC, it gives me more game, hell, I'm willing to pay for additional fighters in a fighting game. I don't think I deserve anything but a functional game.

If I buy a car, I don't ***** and moan that for it's price I should have a free radio, arco, leather seats, and a disco-ball on the rear-view mirror.
I can try. But usually you have to pay extra for...well... extra's

 

[Ranorak]

We deserve better, indeed. I am tired of reading these little kiddies defend their favourite cult EA games. Let EA games get away with this, they will not stop.

Why do we 'deserve' better?
Better what?

Besides buying their stuff, what do we do that makes us entitled to anything?

Also, calling people who disagree with your view little kiddies, is not without it's irony.

 

[Nimcha]

It's not surprising. When you can make your opinion heard on forums such as these it's not weird to think you might want your opinion to matter as well.

Of course it doesn't, but that's not nice to hear.

 

[Ranorak]

We deserve better, indeed. I am tired of reading these little kiddies defend their favourite cult EA games. Let EA games get away with this, they will not stop.

Why do we 'deserve' better?
Better what?

Besides buying their stuff, what do we do that makes us entitled to anything?

Also, calling people who disagree with your view little kiddies, is not without it's irony.

Thats right. We are only entitled to their product.

When they try to slice and dice it for extra money then i'm not getting the full product, am I? I think you guys are little kiddies not because you disagree with me, but because your arguments are always FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED. I've yet to see a good freaking argument in support of the dayonedlc nonsense.

You've been given good arguments, but you just cover your ear and go; "I don't care what you say, I'm still going to keep saying DLC is taken from the main game, and not added as an extra."

Which basicly makes your own argument invalid, because you still have access to the full product, it just costs 10 euro more.

If you say that day-1 DLC should be part of the main game, buy them both.
Problem solved.
Oh? What's that? You don't want to pay 10 euro more for the "complete" product?
Well... THEN DON'T!

 

[TehCookie]

I never complain about the price, since if I don't like it I can just wait til it goes down or get it used.

However sometimes I do wave my cane in the air from some of the features in new games. Remember how back in the day if you wanted to play a game over a LAN you only needed one copy? Or being able to loan/give friends PC games? I also think I'm entitled to the whole game if I bought it. DLC should be extra, not important to the main part of the game or plot. In multiplayer games DLC should never give an advantage over others.

 

[MammothBlade]

No, gamers are not strictly entitled to anything - not another Mass Effect sequel, not a second Psychonauts, not affordable games, certainly not games which bend over backwards to satisfy every subjective complaint. And neither are game producers entitled to sales, except that their intellectual property rights are respected. But as product users, gamers should get their money's worth.

 

[Epona]

Don't make the thread question and the poll question have two different answers. No, we aren't entitled and Yes, we do deserve better.

This generation we have seen

- game prices increase by $10
- the addition of DLC, adding even more to the price of a complete game
- the addition of online passes/activation codes (so much for the convenience of consoles over PC's)
- day one patches before you can even play your day one purchase (so much for the convenience of consoles over PC's)
- pre orders becoming the norm instead of the exception (pre-orders = buying blind)

Yet we are told that we are whiny and entitled.

 

[StBishop]

You've gone and done that thing where the question in the thread title is different to the one above the poll. Now you won't know which one people are answering when they vote.

(Why yes, I am going to point this out every single time someone does it.)

I don't blame you. It's stupid.

I tend to answer the Poll question.

OT: Meh, I think we act entitled to more than we are. I don't agree with the piracy bit but oh well.

 

[anthony87]

Entitled?

We're spoiled fucking rotten. People seem to forget that the kinds of games we get to play nowadays are the kind of games that we couldn't even have imagined in the days of the N64/PS1 but instead of being happy and enjoying the medium that we're lucky to be able to enjoy, they just fucking ***** and whine and have their little fucking "boycotts".

"Oh noes! This DLC is costing 10 extra dollars! TEH GAME IS RUINED! EVIL EA EVIL CORPORATIONS!!!" etc.

Seriously, if you're getting pissed off that EXTRA content costs EXTRA money then you're just too much of a greedy moron to be worth bothering with.

 

[anthony87]

Entitled?

We're spoiled fucking rotten. People seem to forget that the kinds of games we get to play nowadays are the kind of games that we couldn't even have imagined in the days of the N64/PS1 but instead of being happy and enjoying the medium that we're lucky to be able to enjoy, they just fucking ***** and whine and have their little fucking "boycotts".

"Oh noes! This DLC is costing 10 extra dollars! TEH GAME IS RUINED! EVIL EA EVIL CORPORATIONS!!!" etc.

Seriously, if you're getting pissed off that EXTRA content costs EXTRA money then you're just too much of a greedy moron to be worth bothering with.

silly argument. Mediums evolve, that doesnt mean they get to squeeze every last penny out of us. That's like saying modern medicine has advanced, so you aren't entitled to ***** about lack of cough medicine in a pharmacy.

A pharmacy not stocking enough medicine is a completely different issue, as well something that I'd consider many thousands of times more serious than having to pay extra money for extra stuff.

Feel free to edit that "Silly argument" part out of your post so you don't look like a massive fool.