Poll: Are you a feminist?

[BehattedWanderer]

As many female friends as I have, I'd better be.

 

[Bocaj2000]

schnipped

What a weird video. She does seem to genuinly believe there's a male conspirace against women, her jokes are both badly timed and fucking weird, her arguments are based on kids shows (which is just stupid) and she lacks any evidence whatsoever for what's she's saying.

Actually, that video quite neatly incapasitated why I don't like feminism, it's full of whiny women seing sexism everywhere where there are none with completly baseless arguments without any suggestions on how to improve the situiation.

I know not all feminists are like this, but it is a worrying amoun of them.

Captcha: The Queen of England obviously lives in North Korea, why do you ask?

*sigh* You want evidence, here you go:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StrawFeminist

Is this more suitable for you?

It is ironic how you say how much you hate straw feminists. It actually seems like you agree with the woman in the video.

EDIT:

No.
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I am an advocate for womens equality
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So whilst I will continue to "advocate womens rights" I will not associate myself with the movement.

Just so you know, you're a feminist. It's about equality, not superiority. You just know some fucked up people.

 

[Sidiron]

Equality in this sense is equality of rights and protections under the law. It is not a matter of personal equivalence, saying that all people are exactly alike. The fact that males and females are structurally different should not preclude both from having the same legal rights, any more than two males or two females of differing skin tones should have different legal rights.

As to 'value' - that is a nebulous concept in this discussion. What gives any single person value? Value to whom? Value in what way? The idea seems to muddy the waters significantly; it is simply too subjective.

As for 'chauvinistic' - I think you're the only person to have used the term so far.

I agree with you in terms of value, and the disparate ideas on it.
Though this is also why I struggle to happily say 'yeah, I'm supportive of feminism' since you can ask umpteen different women and men, who will each give you a different idea on what feminism is. I have the same problem with LGBTQ groups, despite being bisexual myself.
Of course I agree with the law recognising the problems faced and helping assimilate all groups to live in the same society, but it is in the finer points that we end up having problems, and personally I try to take them step by step.

Well, it is true that men and women have different plumbing schemes, so to speak, that does not mean that they are not equal. Look, even though there are differences, I think we are all comfortable saying that an apple tree is roughly equal to an orange tree. We may like one fruit over the other, and one particular tree may yield more fruit than another, but generally speaking, we can equate the two as having an equal value. And, no I do not think you are a chauvinist, just slightly incorrect.

As above, value is nebulous we very rarely say that an apple tree and an orange tree are worth the same, since if you are making cider then an orange tree is pretty damn useless.
I am not really wishing to argue the finer points, just clarify the meaning.

 

[Durgiun]

I do not identify as a feminist. Mainly because there are so many branches of it and in my mind feminism is really just a bunch of up-tight prudes trying to kill everyone's fun. And I don't mean ''stopping men from pinching women's asses'', I mean ''trying to stop me from watching porn''. I could go on a diatribe that would rival a George R. R. Martin novel in length, but I will show mercy (and wisdom) and spare you all from that potential flame war.

 

[Mikodite]

It's actually very true that young children are brought up with different sets of social paragdigms based upon gender and that these paradigms often have long term consequences - physics and engineering courses at universities tend to be pretty lacking in female applicants for example. It'd be nigh impossible to say for certain to what extent this gap is due to women on average being mentally predisposed towards other sorts of subjects and how much is caused by social pressure to avoid these subjects however it'd be very naive to argue that people's upbringing doesn't affect affect them at all.

Hold please.

Absolutely right, but like I mentioned in my second paragraph, these complaints sound trivial and selfish when Feminists only focus on women. Those males taking physics and engineering courses might not be taking those courses if they were playing with Barbies or watching Hanna Montana at a young age. It is selfish to only focus on the fact that being segregated at birth only affects women, when it actually affects both genders. And that's what makes it feel like silly complaints that many people (like myself) cannot take seriously.

THAT was the point of my post. I said I completely support equal rights and I would love to see the day when babies are treated as equals and having both boys and girls playing with G.I Joes and Barbies together, but I would NEVER sacrifice or favor one over the other like feminists do.

I would be hard-pressed to find a feminist that thought men suck and should be mal-treated (though misandrists exists), however what you are talking about is not their fight, and therefore they are not going to champion it, being women and all, whom are too busy with issues like female reproductive rights, being treated like meat for showing some skin, slut shaming, sex-trafficking, having pictures of Mario sodomizing them for even so much as saying there is misogyny in gaming culture where it has been suggested that it is not a vocal minority.

So... why don't you champion it? Your a man, and it affects you as a man. Afraid of getting made fun of and laughed at? Guess what? First wave feminists were mocked in their day. So are gay rights activists. Even third wave feminists are routinely mocked, because apparently abortion is a trivial problem, and there is nothing amoral at all about implying that the gaming industry fucks women in the ass. SUCK IT UP! You and other egalitarian males who feels the wraith of the double standard should totally stand up for your right to custody of your kids, fair and equal treatment in the judicial system, and not being made out as retards on television.

 

[SilverZ]

I am not a Feminist. I am a human being who supports the best way of living.
Live and let Live
There is no Equal to being human

 

[Calibanbutcher]

I reject being called a feminist. I will stand up for women being discriminated against, and I shall do so for men being discriminated against.

 

[Moth_Monk]

I do not identify as a feminist. Mainly because there are so many branches of it and in my mind feminism is really just a bunch of up-tight prudes trying to kill everyone's fun. And I don't mean ''stopping men from pinching women's asses'', I mean ''trying to stop me from watching porn''. I could go on a diatribe that would rival a George R. R. Martin novel in length, but I will show mercy (and wisdom) and spare you all from that potential flame war.

So you have nothing to say regarding the stoning to death of women in some countries or the mutilation of women's genitals in some other countries then?

 

[Robert0288]

Are you a feminist?

Feminism
noun
[mass noun]
the advocacy of women?s rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/feminism?q=feminism

Definition of feminist
noun
a person who supports feminism.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/feminist

If yes, then have you done anything active to advocate the equality of women's rights?

Incidentally, I am not asking why/why not you are/are not a feminist; that topic has been overdone already.

By that definition I am I feminist. If you talk to people within academia about feminism or talk about 3rd wave feminism. It gets very radical very quickly and somehow the conversation always turns to 'men are horrible people'.

My desire is equality, however it looks more and more like the pendulum has swung the other way in more than way.

 

[Randomvirus]

I'm a masculinist. Because the rights of men are being stomped over to further the cause of women's rights. Which isn't right.

I believe in gender equality but we're losing focus on that in the interest of pushing feminist agendas.

Also, feminists want equal rights, but not equal treatment.

 

[moopig66]

Aw, and here i was hoping to have a thread without insults... dow well.

I would love to see your statistics source study... unless you... pulled it out of your butt...

and i love love love when people claim that feminists are somehow sexist. I have spoken to and am friends with many people who would be considered extreme feminists and never have i felt that they are in any way sexist. Its a slur, calling feminists sexist, that is founded on nothing other than a knee jerk defensive reaction from people who oppose feminism.

and... i apologize for any typeos, i just got a new keyboard

Yes... I hope most if not all people are. As you said, it's definition is believing in "women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes." if you don't agree with that than... Well... You are what's wron with the world.

Additionally, I'm tired of people saying that they choose not to identify with feminism because of the baggagage the Gomes with the term. It's only baggage comes from the very far right using it in a negative connotation. If someone like Rush Limbough uses a word as a negative, it's safe to say its probbably a good thing. If someone who likes bad things dislikes something that you like, take it as a compliment.

So... Yes... I'm a male feminist because I believe in equal rights for both sexes...

It's not the far right that gave feminism A bad name, it's feminists and feminist organizations I've interacted with that have given them a bad name. Using bad statistics is the most common problem. Being sexist themselves normally comes right after.

For example, did you know that although feminists supported the opening of the first woman's shelter, they strongly opposed the opening of the first man's shelter? I would also like to remind you that Domestic violence is about 45% male victims. Why did feminists oppose this if they are for equal rights?

And I don't listen to far right anything, and to hell with rush, so you can't use that cop out excuse.

 

[DoomyMcDoom]

I am no feminist, I generally try to avoid classification, I support the general equal treatment of everyone based on the abilities and capabilities they show, meriting such treatment.

I will not treat someone who is deliberately offensive or rude the same way a person who tries to bring peace and understanding, I will not ask a blind person to drive, nor expect them to.

We are all human and therefor all of us are flawed, and equal in our own ways, however in certain circumstances people try to overcome negative biases by overreacting in a way that to them seems positive but is really hurting everyone through the perpetration of negative steriotypes, be they gender specific, racial, or religious.

In other words, I do not believe in the feminist movement on the whole, as with any movement, I spread knowledge where I can, I open the eyes of who soever is willing to any number of issues regarding our race as a whole, and a distinct lack of equality exists, and it isn't focussed on women, it's universal, the treatment of women, men, gay people, children, those of different ethnicities, the poor, the rich, people in political positions, people who work in the service industry, people who serve in the millitary... No matter what, someone somewhere is going to be going out of their way to make you feel shitty, because you're different... and until that stops, there will never be equality.

 

[Mackie Stingray]

*shrugs*
Yes. I've marched in two Take Back The Night rallies and try to set a tone of gender equality in my interactions, insofar as I try much anything. Most of it's fairly unconscious.
I have familiarized myself with gender-specific issues such as 'Schroedinger's Rapist' and the past abuses of power of authority figures to render women irrelevant as speakers.*

If it helps, some of the terminology bandied about among feminists nowadays includes such terms as 'first wave feminist' (Suffragette), 'second wave feminist' (bra-burner), and 'third-wave feminist.' Best look that one up. I'm lazy.

Anyway.
Um, no, I didn't read the whole thread, just the first and last pages. Lazy, I know.

* Though horrifying and fascinating, the movie Changeling held few real surprises for me.

 

[Pandabearparade]

I thought modern feminism was a lot more involved than that? There is no mention of toppling the patriarchy in that definition, so it can't be accurate!

Seriously though, if that's all feminism meant I would be a radical feminist. Feminism is more akin to misandry than equality these days.