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loc978

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Manicotti said:

This sums up my thoughts on it. I'm all for moderate consumption of our finite resources, but pretending that it's for any other cause than our own immediate survival is deluded, self-aggrandizing hypocrisy.
^these were my immediate thoughts as well^

...though I do accept that humanity holds the potential to destroy all carbon-based life on this planet. It would take a very large nuclear arsenal, though... so we most likely won't.
 

Dimitriov

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Blitzwing said:
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uro vii said:
I have no problem with Greenpeace and actually think them getting people's faces is exactly what must be done, though admittedly violence is taking it to far. Simply not enough people care. Global Warming in particular is becoming a crisis situation, but most people are far to selfish to put the slightest bit of effort into averting it. So, given the situation, I am fully in support of Greenpeace's actions here.
Global warming?

You do know that the Earth has continually warmed and cooled over the past few million years, right? That there was even an ice age?

Global warming and cooling is natural. It's not man made. Not at all. Anything we contribute to it is small, too small to matter.
Who told you that bullshit?
Yep that is totally ridiculous, everyone knows the ice age occurred when Xenu came and blew up volcanoes and polluted the Earth. Stuff doesn't happen unless someone does it. /sarcasm
 

A Satanic Panda

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Blitzwing said:
believer258 said:
uro vii said:
I have no problem with Greenpeace and actually think them getting people's faces is exactly what must be done, though admittedly violence is taking it to far. Simply not enough people care. Global Warming in particular is becoming a crisis situation, but most people are far to selfish to put the slightest bit of effort into averting it. So, given the situation, I am fully in support of Greenpeace's actions here.
Global warming?

You do know that the Earth has continually warmed and cooled over the past few million years, right? That there was even an ice age?

Global warming and cooling is natural. It's not man made. Not at all. Anything we contribute to it is small, too small to matter.
Who told you that bullshit?
The layers of ice found in the poles. They show that the earth has gone through tons of climate and atmosphere changes before we existed.

The patterns of warming and cooling (I think) comes from the earths orbit around the sun. Our elliptical orbit expands and shrinks over thousands of years.
 
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believer258 said:
Global warming?

You do know that the Earth has continually warmed and cooled over the past few million years, right? That there was even an ice age?

Global warming and cooling is natural. It's not man made. Not at all. Anything we contribute to it is small, too small to matter.
You are right about the first part, global warming does occur naturally. That its not man made this time though is utter rubbish. It is simply warming to fast to be anything else. That human greenhouse gas emission's are to small to matter is also rubbish. Here are a few reports and position statements that I picked from multiple scientific groups on the human influence on global warming.

http://www.grida.no/publications/other/ipcc_tar/?src=/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/006.htm

http://www.fasts.org/images/policy-discussion/statement-climate-change.pdf

http://www.eurogeologists.de/images/content/panels_of_experts/co2_geological_storage/CCS_position_paper.pdf

http://www.geosociety.org/positions/position10.htm
 

Hero in a half shell

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Well I'm environMENTAL

We do have a big problem that our whole modern industry and community is founded on the use of non-renewables, which we are using up, and currently all ways to fix this have their own drawbacks; Renewable energy is unpredictable, Nuclear is... seen as undesirable, 1000's of hamsters in wheels driving tiny turbines is unethical, or so the judge told me when I got caught.

Personally I'm a big supporter of nuclear energy, and have grown disillusioned with renewables after several months of research into all the various types, (especially wind, wind is the devil)
 

CarpathianMuffin

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Not really. I don't deliberately do anything to harm the environment, but other folks generally pick up the slack for what I don't do. Closest thing to environmentalism that I do is recycle whenever the option presents itself.
 

Stryc9

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Manicotti said:

This sums up my thoughts on it. I'm all for moderate consumption of our finite resources, but pretending that it's for any other cause than our own immediate survival is deluded, self-aggrandizing hypocrisy.
This is pretty much how I feel about it too. A lot of these people who whine and ***** about people damaging the environment don't really give a shit about the planet 80 years from now, they just want things to be 'better' for them and in order for that to happen everyone else should live like fucking cavemen to accommodate their way of thinking while they drive their hybrid cars and eat their tofu burgers.
 

iblis666

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loc978 said:
Manicotti said:

This sums up my thoughts on it. I'm all for moderate consumption of our finite resources, but pretending that it's for any other cause than our own immediate survival is deluded, self-aggrandizing hypocrisy.
^these were my immediate thoughts as well^

...though I do accept that humanity holds the potential to destroy all carbon-based life on this planet. It would take a very large nuclear arsenal, though... so we most likely won't.
yeah i agree saving the environment is and always has been mostly about saving our selves and as such i propose renaming earth day to what it really should be called "SAVING OUR ASSES FROM EXTINCTION DAY"
 

Manicotti

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Stryc9 said:
Manicotti said:

This sums up my thoughts on it. I'm all for moderate consumption of our finite resources, but pretending that it's for any other cause than our own immediate survival is deluded, self-aggrandizing hypocrisy.
This is pretty much how I feel about it too. A lot of these people who whine and ***** about people damaging the environment don't really give a shit about the planet 80 years from now, they just want things to be 'better' for them and in order for that to happen everyone else should live like fucking cavemen to accommodate their way of thinking while they drive their hybrid cars and eat their tofu burgers.
The icing on the cake? People with hybrids drive even more than those without, completely skipping the part on actually saving fuel and easily making up the difference on whatever they would have actually saved.
 

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uro vii said:
believer258 said:
Global warming?

You do know that the Earth has continually warmed and cooled over the past few million years, right? That there was even an ice age?

Global warming and cooling is natural. It's not man made. Not at all. Anything we contribute to it is small, too small to matter.
You are right about the first part, global warming does occur naturally. That its not man made this time though is utter rubbish. It is simply warming to fast to be anything else. That human greenhouse gas emission's are to small matter is also rubbish. Here are a few reports and position statements that I picked from multiple scientific groups on the human influence on global warming.

http://www.grida.no/publications/other/ipcc_tar/?src=/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/006.htm

http://www.fasts.org/images/policy-discussion/statement-climate-change.pdf

http://www.eurogeologists.de/images/content/panels_of_experts/co2_geological_storage/CCS_position_paper.pdf

http://www.geosociety.org/positions/position10.htm
and what makes you think these people aren't just lying???
 
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AlexNora said:
and what makes you think these people aren't just lying???
What makes me think that multiple, separate, highly respected scientific groups aren't faking separate studies that came up with the same statistical data and conclusions, with no scientific evidence disproving these? Its just a hunch.

Seriously, the overwhelming majority of the scientific community has either done their own studies, or at least released position statements saying they believe the current occurrence of global warming is mostly as a result of human greenhouse emissions. The only reasons there is any doubt about this is firstly, people don't want to believe it, and secondly it benefits the rich power companies to create doubt about it. Had these same groups conducted nearly any other study, no one would question them, so why now do we presume they are lying now?

Also, look up the tolerance the scientific community has for faked/tampered results. There isn't any. That would mean either, the majority of the scientific community is conspiring to lie to us, which I doubt, or the human effect on global warming is as they say.
 

Stryc9

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Blitzwing said:
What?s wrong with that? People are always forced to live and think a certain way.
Why should I be forced to take technological steps backward so that a small yet loud handful of people can be allowed to live the way they want?

They want to get everyone into hybrid or electric cars 'because gasoline\diesel engines pollute too much', well not everyone can afford that, but to these people that doesn't matter. If you can't afford to drive a hybrid or electric car then you don't deserve to drive. That's the condescending attitude that these people take that pisses me off and makes me want to strangle them.
 

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Gilhelmi said:
similar.squirrel said:
I agree on certain points and disagree on others. I believe that we need to reduce the human population drastically, stop fucking up ecosystems and find a better way to deal with our trash.

But the biosphere has recovered from worse than what we are doing [cyanobacteria killing off most anaerobes, for example]. If we go extinct, we deserve it. If we don't, we will learn a very harsh lesson.
[read: sad sigh]OK, I will ask. How do we legally and morally lower the human population? Because many people would literally go to war if you. and while the ensuing war would lower the population some, war is not a good solution.
Education.