But it isn't a superhero show. Nobody has 'powers', nor is that meant to be. Given that Oliver is over the top adept at fighting and marksmanship, it's not firing fireballs, flying or laser vision.Thomas Guy said:
Poll: Arrow - The Best Show on TV Today
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I enjoy the show, but I have a lot of issues with it.
First of all, it's stupid how he's supposed to be an expert soldier and infiltrator, yet constantly runs straight towards people spraying at him with machine guns, yet he is never touched by a bullet. They never sell the fact that he's supposed to be good at this, instead of just being blessed by some lucky fairy. I had hopes that they would be more clever about his MO, but this got turned into silly comic book very quickly. You're just supposed to assume that he's some sort of demi-god who knows all and is capable enough to get into and do anything the plot requires.
I also dislike how victimized Olivers mother is. I would have much preferred her to be more involved and convinced of The Undertaking plot. But I guess they would have to kill her off or send her to jail or something pretty soon, which would kill the opportunity for family drama.
Also, it's apparent that the central theme of this show is lying, yet they never reach any satisfying conclusions or comment on the morality of it.
With that said, the choreography is very well done, and I really like the diversity and strength of the cast.
It's visually cool, and while the whole "green eye paint" thing makes no sense, it looks pretty badass.
I think this could easily be one of the better shows on TV right now if they just chose to inject some sense and logic into it.
First of all, it's stupid how he's supposed to be an expert soldier and infiltrator, yet constantly runs straight towards people spraying at him with machine guns, yet he is never touched by a bullet. They never sell the fact that he's supposed to be good at this, instead of just being blessed by some lucky fairy. I had hopes that they would be more clever about his MO, but this got turned into silly comic book very quickly. You're just supposed to assume that he's some sort of demi-god who knows all and is capable enough to get into and do anything the plot requires.
I also dislike how victimized Olivers mother is. I would have much preferred her to be more involved and convinced of The Undertaking plot. But I guess they would have to kill her off or send her to jail or something pretty soon, which would kill the opportunity for family drama.
Also, it's apparent that the central theme of this show is lying, yet they never reach any satisfying conclusions or comment on the morality of it.
With that said, the choreography is very well done, and I really like the diversity and strength of the cast.
It's visually cool, and while the whole "green eye paint" thing makes no sense, it looks pretty badass.
I think this could easily be one of the better shows on TV right now if they just chose to inject some sense and logic into it.
Wow people. Super critical. That's ok though...
I thought it felt like Batman for the first two episodes, but it leaves Batman and goes into something different. Batman doesn't have a corrupt family. Batman uses more than one weapon. No one knows that Batman is Bruce Wayne (at least, that's as far as I know), but he reaveals himself to Tommy and to others through out the 1st season. The producers totally drew some of their inspiration from the Dark Knight series, but it's not a Batman clone like I thought. Check the whole series out. The finale is solid.
I like the actor for Oliver Queen. If you were stuck on an island (according to the TV plot) for 5 years and went through what he went through, you'd be looking like Oliver Queen. I don't see him coming back from that experience being all Shakespearian.
Felicity Smoak is HOT! I know she's never naked on the show because this isn't HBO, but I love her character.
Moira Queen's character is so complex, it's not even funny. Susanna Thompson is great for that role.
Diggle rules. The Dark Archer was super slimy evil, and I believed how powerful that character is.
I think they killed the right person in the finale. You knew someone was gonna die, but I didn't see that coming.
These types of undertakings are never going to line up with the comic book. I've seen too many comic book-to-movie, or comic book-to-TV show adaptations to know that the die-hards aren't going to get what we want. I'm completely sold on everything that the show has offered up to this point.
I thought it felt like Batman for the first two episodes, but it leaves Batman and goes into something different. Batman doesn't have a corrupt family. Batman uses more than one weapon. No one knows that Batman is Bruce Wayne (at least, that's as far as I know), but he reaveals himself to Tommy and to others through out the 1st season. The producers totally drew some of their inspiration from the Dark Knight series, but it's not a Batman clone like I thought. Check the whole series out. The finale is solid.
I like the actor for Oliver Queen. If you were stuck on an island (according to the TV plot) for 5 years and went through what he went through, you'd be looking like Oliver Queen. I don't see him coming back from that experience being all Shakespearian.
Felicity Smoak is HOT! I know she's never naked on the show because this isn't HBO, but I love her character.
Moira Queen's character is so complex, it's not even funny. Susanna Thompson is great for that role.
Diggle rules. The Dark Archer was super slimy evil, and I believed how powerful that character is.
I think they killed the right person in the finale. You knew someone was gonna die, but I didn't see that coming.
These types of undertakings are never going to line up with the comic book. I've seen too many comic book-to-movie, or comic book-to-TV show adaptations to know that the die-hards aren't going to get what we want. I'm completely sold on everything that the show has offered up to this point.
I watched the first season to it's completion and I liked it. Best on TV? Far from it, I would say above average.
Game of Thrones holds the title of best series on TV in my eyes.
Game of Thrones holds the title of best series on TV in my eyes.
I wish I saw this before I posted. Yes I agree about Oliver Queen, and I think he shows growth throughout the 1st season. Looking forward to the 2nd season.Steve-o Anders said:
I like it, but some of the writing is down-right horrible. The love triangle between Queen, his best friend and that annoying love interest was so cringe-worthy it almost made me turn the video off, whenever i was brought up, which was way too often. Also, the constant recapping made the characters seem like complete weirdos. It's like they expected none of their viewers to have seen a single previous episode. It generally suffers from incredibly cliched writing, but is saved by a decent overall story arc and the flashbacks, which are the best part of the show by a long shot. Leagues away from, say, Game of Thrones though.
I haven't seen it and probably won't take the time to either. Just doesn't seem to be much more than a regular TV show...only without the cops, doctors, and whatevers.
Personally, I think a small Canadian-produced show called Continuum is my favorite so far. Season 2 has yet to air in the US but Season 1 was amazing. I also don't watch The Walking Dead or Game of Thrones so take of that what you will.
Personally, I think a small Canadian-produced show called Continuum is my favorite so far. Season 2 has yet to air in the US but Season 1 was amazing. I also don't watch The Walking Dead or Game of Thrones so take of that what you will.
Yup, love the balls of it!gamernerdtg2 said:
There are a few things that annoy me though. The island stuff, I like the idea of showing how he became such a badass through trail by fire but the plot is fucked up! The guy rescues him, takes care of him, then betrays him, then rescue, then betray, then rescue, then betray ... the fuck guy!
Tommy being self sacrificing goes against his character. Oliver and Tommy where basically the same, both party animals who had very rich parents and played the field ... Oliver gets "Killed" but actually turns into a man, Tommy grieves and becomes a man? "I'm so sad my best friend died, time to man up and stop partying"?
Oliver's love life. He is in love with Laurel but Tommy is dating her, after Tommy breaks up with Laurel 'cos he knows Oliver and Laurel still have a thing. Oliver says almost one sentence and Tommy changes his mind completely? Then Laurel talks to Oliver and after almost one sentence they do the nasty and Tommy catches them? What the fuck, will somebody have some conviction?
Laurels dad is a fucking numpty. I get why he hates Oliver but he hates the vigilante as well? You could say "he has a feeling that they are the same people" fair enough but he has been proven wrong on that one a few times AND the vigilante is doing what he can't ... he actually stops criminals, rather than just put them into a prison.
Tommy being self sacrificing goes against his character. Oliver and Tommy where basically the same, both party animals who had very rich parents and played the field ... Oliver gets "Killed" but actually turns into a man, Tommy grieves and becomes a man? "I'm so sad my best friend died, time to man up and stop partying"?
Oliver's love life. He is in love with Laurel but Tommy is dating her, after Tommy breaks up with Laurel 'cos he knows Oliver and Laurel still have a thing. Oliver says almost one sentence and Tommy changes his mind completely? Then Laurel talks to Oliver and after almost one sentence they do the nasty and Tommy catches them? What the fuck, will somebody have some conviction?
Laurels dad is a fucking numpty. I get why he hates Oliver but he hates the vigilante as well? You could say "he has a feeling that they are the same people" fair enough but he has been proven wrong on that one a few times AND the vigilante is doing what he can't ... he actually stops criminals, rather than just put them into a prison.
EIDT, whats with the raging boners for game of thrones? Is it all the sex? Come on, you can tell me ... it will be our little secret.
Why does Smalllvile come up when people talk about Arrow?
Game of Thrones? I'll have to check it out. I've passed it off as another excuse to show sex on TV. I hope I'm wrong.
I wasn't really talking about Cable television (HBO, Showtime, etc). I was talking about regular TV.
Game of Thrones? I'll have to check it out. I've passed it off as another excuse to show sex on TV. I hope I'm wrong.
I wasn't really talking about Cable television (HBO, Showtime, etc). I was talking about regular TV.
Try seeing those things from another perspective.omega 616 said:
Yao Fe is the dude that trains Queen on the island, and his motivations are not always clear because Fires (guy in charge on the island) has Yao Fe's daughter. That's why you see the rescuing, capturing, etc. It's a tricky situation.
Would you rather Tommy lived on for the second season? There's nothing really to live for with his character. His dad destroyed the Glades, his mom is gone, and his best friend took the love of his life. Where is Tommy's story going from there? Is he going to become the new "Dark Archer" or something? Naw. I like Tommy's character, but it made sense to kill him off. I can't see him living in area that his father destroyed - always being reminded that his dad destroyed the Glades. He had to die.
Oliver's love life - he always loved Laurel. He was a playboy, so he was immature. After 5 years on an island, he still had feelings, but felt that his life as Arrow would get her killed or put her in danger. That's why there was all kinds of "yes", but "no" going on.
Laurel's dad actually comes around. He's blinded by the loss of his other daughter, but he changes. As he accepts his daughter's death, the rest of his character is able to balance out. He's able to be a better father to Laurel. As you know, he actually works with Oliver in the latter episodes, so he definitely changes.
Would you rather Tommy lived on for the second season? There's nothing really to live for with his character. His dad destroyed the Glades, his mom is gone, and his best friend took the love of his life. Where is Tommy's story going from there? Is he going to become the new "Dark Archer" or something? Naw. I like Tommy's character, but it made sense to kill him off. I can't see him living in area that his father destroyed - always being reminded that his dad destroyed the Glades. He had to die.
Oliver's love life - he always loved Laurel. He was a playboy, so he was immature. After 5 years on an island, he still had feelings, but felt that his life as Arrow would get her killed or put her in danger. That's why there was all kinds of "yes", but "no" going on.
Laurel's dad actually comes around. He's blinded by the loss of his other daughter, but he changes. As he accepts his daughter's death, the rest of his character is able to balance out. He's able to be a better father to Laurel. As you know, he actually works with Oliver in the latter episodes, so he definitely changes.
Arrow is a superhero show? What powers does Oliver Queen have? Deadshot is the closest character that I can think of with powers, but all the characters in Arrow are regular folk with nothing super. The comic must be different though.DownTharr said:
We'll have to look at Game of Thrones. Not sure if natural sex is a selling point, but we'll check out the show.
I would say that the central theme is tension. Relational tension. It's also something that drives the entire first season.chikusho said:
Arrow (the TV series version) is not a super hero, nor is anyone else on the show. I have nothing else to compare this show with except Batman, but it pulls away from Batman after the 2nd or 3rd show. His MO is reckless because he came off of an island, etc, and he doesn't know how he's going to do what his dad asked him to do...think that through some more.
I thought Moira Queen was brilliant. You seem to be more into morals and such, her character was hard to decipher until the last show - she gets what's coming to her because her character is in fact, evil...but it's not a clear cut evil, and that's why I like her character. I like how innocent she seems on the surface.
I think the outcome of the moral choices gets delayed until the last show - again, tension. In this case, tension through moral ambiguity.
I think they go a great job of showing how Oliver moves from being a looser playboy to Arrow by the island flashbacks.
Great post btw.