Poll: Autism. Bad or Good?

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WorldCritic

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Explanation time, yay. Your brother is a rare case of autism called "autistic savant" basically meaning he gets an extreme learning boost while suffering the effects of autism. While this may sound great, only 10% of people who are autistic are autistic savant. So autism is bad unless someone you know falls into that 10% category which kind of makes up for it. There you go. My explanation anyway, I may be off base hear, but that's the explanation that makes sense to me.
 

Daverson

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You might as well ask if red hair is inherently good or bad. It's a trait, nothing more.

Also, the idea you can "catch" autism is pretty offensive, and only goes to further ridiculous speculation about such conditions. I'd suggest you remove it from your post. Not to be pedantic, but it's something I feel kinda strongly about.
 

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christ I am so sick of people saying "hur der vaccines make you sick hur durrrrr" pull your head out of your ass, america has a whooping cough epidemic because people think that the vaccines are gonna hurt der pwecious baby then since everyone else thinks that same thing EVERYONE get sick.
 

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dastardly said:
(Oh, also, because you came to a video game site, be prepared for a mega-malillion self-diagnosed "Asperger's" cases to tell you all about how it is.)
That better not have been aimed at me, I was properly diagnosed by professionals when I about 10 for Asperger's and I have spent years learning how to socialise somewhat normally, even though I will never be able to pick up all the suble cues and will always be a little awkward. As I said in my previous post it isn't that bad if you can teach yourself to act "normal", though I have a good friend who is further up the spectrum to me and he'll never be able to do that, certainly for him and similar it is a disadvantage.
 

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"Bad" and "Good" are subjective points of view. If it bothers you that he's autistic, that's something you'll have to get over. As long as he's happy, that's all that matters. I know it's hard for him to socialize but, regardless of his condition, I don't doubt that there just might be a person or two out there that will come into his life that will get him to open up more... some people just have that vibe that makes talking to them inviting and comfortable.
 

Kenjitsuka

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Go check all of your facts. I've got Aspergers an am not even going to bother replying on this.
 

s0denone

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Are you serious!?
OF COURSE autism is bad.

END OF DISCUSSION.

I mean, come on!
Why the hell would autism be a good thing? You're socially handicapped, but have superior knowledge in most matters than that of everyone else?
Who gives a shit? Certainly not your friends, since you have none, because you're an autist.
 

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I guess it can benefit mankind, but not necesarily the person in discussion because of his social behaviour and inabillity to make friends?

not really sure what to say..though i always wanted to be really smart
 

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id vote bad, thats speaking from personal experience, i have it. i WOULD vote bad but i see no voting options. It was good being head of my class and all but having 1 friend and 30 bullies growing up all based around my disabilities, i can easily say i did not enjoy school very much. I was the least social, and when i tried to be i was turned away in a similar fashion that a leper would be turned away from ancient society. I had more things thrown at me than i can count.
P.S; certainly genetics
P.P.S; the "ass burgers" jokes didnt help either :'(
 

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Simon Baron Cohen (renowned psychologist) believes people with Autism and/or Asperges Syndrome lack a Theory of Mind - being that they find it literally impossible to see the world through anyone elses eyes, usually assuming everyone has the same thoughts and not caring for anyone but themself; not in a selfish way, just completely obliviously with an unfortunate lack of empathy.

It's great for society as long as they can take their accomplishments further and discover / invent new things.
But society isn't great for them as their social skills can be almost non-existent.
 

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Hmmm, I think a term like 'learning boost' is rather unhelpful, it plays into the 'Rainman' stereotype, the idea of those with autism having special mental powers. Autism can cause savauntism i.e. increased memory or problem solving abilities, but this is rare and often goes hand in hand with severe problems with social interaction causing distress both to the sufferer and their families.

On the vaccine front, it has been shown time and time again that there is no link between vaccines (particularly MMR) and autism, childhood diseases on the other hand can cause severe developmental problems and brain damage. Ben Goldacre's website www.badscience.net is an excellent resource for investigating the research on MMR and autism.
 

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1. There is more mercury in a fish sandwich then in all the vaccines children take in a year.

2. Humans are a social species. Without the ability to effectively associate with others a person is hugely stagnated from whatever they want to do. Whether it is career, education, love, or friendship.
 

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By the way, you can't be an Autist, that's like saying that last winter you were a common coldist.
 

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I also have Autism (the also Aspergers) I dont realy mind it except that I have to go to a special school wich the governemnt also uses as the bin of anybody with learning problems (like people with behaviour disfunctions) the school is also a long way from my home next to that I have no problems with it
 

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WOPR said:
dastardly said:
(Oh, also, because you came to a video game site, be prepared for a mega-malillion self-diagnosed "Asperger's" cases to tell you all about how it is.)
Who the heck would do something like that?

seriously when did it become something people title themselves with?

I just don't get when that started, it's sick and wrong...
Are you really so surprised? It happens with a host of mental disorders. It's almost never intentional, but people subconsciously assign themselves these disorders and stand by it firmly. People use them for two "benefits":

1) Surrendering Responsibility. The selected disorder comes with a particular behavior, or set of behaviors, for which the person can now claim they are not responsible.

2) Entitlement. The selected disorder also entitles the person to additional attention, or some side-effect label that is favorable.


Similarly, these disorders themselves are usually selected for two reasons:

1) They are hard to verify (or disprove). You can't fake a missing limb, but you can fake certain mental disorders, and no one can definitively tell you you're lying. They have no choice but to take what you say at face value.

2) They often come with a "trap door" built right into the disorder. Many disorders also come with a different or "milder" form that allows the person to claim the aforementioned "benefits" without having to accept the associated drawbacks.


In the case of Asperger's Syndrome, the benefits are that a person is no longer responsible for rude, abrasive, socially-unacceptable behavior (It's the disorder!), but they also can artificially label themselves as highly intelligent. Even if they're genuinely highly intelligent, this label gives their claim more weight than a possibly equally-intelligent person with no such label.

Asperger's is a candidate for this fakery because it is (#1) hard to verify or disprove. A person can simply claim to have "very high functioning Asperger's," meaning that they don't have to demonstrate much in the way of symptoms, except those they find favorable at a given moment. It's a "buffet disorder." Take what you like, leave the rest, and who's to say otherwise?

OTHER EXAMPLES:

"Clinical" Depression - These people are always keen to use the word "clinical" as a way of saying, "You may not argue this point or assign any responsibility to me." This is despite there having been no medical tests to prove there is any sort of chemical imbalance. You can't disprove them, and they have a license to get free attention from anyone by having the saddest sob story at any given moment.

Bipolar or Manic-Depressive - All of the benefits of claiming depression, but without the burden of having to be depressed all the time. You can be impulsive and rash, as well. But the bottom line is that if people are negatively impacted by your mood, that's just tough--it's not your responsibility, you have a disorder.

ADD/ADHD - I don't have to do anything I don't like, or pay attention to you, because I have a chemical imbalance for which I have had no chemical testing. You can't prove I don't have it, and it doesn't mean I'm dumb or have any sort of drawbacks. I can selectively choose when to pay attention or when not to, with complete freedom--it's the disorder!

SPECIAL NOTES:

- I know these are actual conditions that actual people have. I also know that diagnostic techniques are spotty at best, so plenty of people are able (and willing) to get a rushed diagnosis in order to excuse behavior by using the misfortune of others. There are real examples, and there are many, many fakers. This does not detract from the reality of the disorder itself.

- The fact that a medication "works" is not proof that there was a disorder, and is not an acceptable diagnostic methods. That's like me saying that, because I feel better after having a Twinkie and a glass of scotch, I must have depression that is linked to a Twinkie-scotch deficiency in my brain. Diagnosis comes before treatment, and it takes a long time and a lot of observation. Phony, armchair diagnosis is the only kind you can get on short notice.

- I'll repeat: In the majority of cases, I don't think people do this intentionally. I don't think they know that they're doing it for attention or excuses, but that doesn't make it any less true. The subconscious is powerful, especially in the sort of people already willing to surrender responsibility for their own behavior to a hollow label--these are the sort that were already predisposed to letting the subconscious "take over."
 

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DELTA x WOLF said:
OK then how did a healthy child at birth become slow to learn until he was 6 and then out of nowhere have the education of a 11th grader at 10
Oh, I had that!

But more on Reading Comprehension and at age 9, I think, rather than 10.

Seriously, the school had the kids take tests to see what kind of books are appropriate for them to read and I got 11th Grader Comprehension.

And I also have Asperger's Syndrome. (Hehe, Ass-Burgers! :p)

NOTE: I did actually get tested for it.
 

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Asperger's has nothing do do with vaccines. I'm 16 just now, and was diagnosed with it when I was 5. It caused me to have to move school once, and from ages 5-13 my life was hell because of it. But when I moved into secondary school you're surrounded by people to interact with and learn from. I'm now so much more confident than I was three years ago, with a great circle of friends from all backgrounds.

I see AS as a personal boost, as it's increased my ability to learn and do well, but I've worked around most of its social issues by going out and just being with people. The kind of people who blame Asperger's for their anti-social and destructive behaviour are usually those who either don't have the disorder or don't want to work around it.
 

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dastardly said:
WOPR said:
dastardly said:
(Oh, also, because you came to a video game site, be prepared for a mega-malillion self-diagnosed "Asperger's" cases to tell you all about how it is.)
Who the heck would do something like that?

seriously when did it become something people title themselves with?

I just don't get when that started, it's sick and wrong...
Are you really so surprised? It happens with a host of mental disorders. It's almost never intentional, but people subconsciously assign themselves these disorders and stand by it firmly. People use them for two "benefits":

1) Surrendering Responsibility. The selected disorder comes with a particular behavior, or set of behaviors, for which the person can now claim they are not responsible.

2) Entitlement. The selected disorder also entitles the person to additional attention, or some side-effect label that is favorable.


Similarly, these disorders themselves are usually selected for two reasons:

1) They are hard to verify (or disprove). You can't fake a missing limb, but you can fake certain mental disorders, and no one can definitively tell you you're lying. They have no choice but to take what you say at face value.

2) They often come with a "trap door" built right into the disorder. Many disorders also come with a different or "milder" form that allows the person to claim the aforementioned "benefits" without having to accept the associated drawbacks.


In the case of Asperger's Syndrome, the benefits are that a person is no longer responsible for rude, abrasive, socially-unacceptable behavior (It's the disorder!), but they also can artificially label themselves as highly intelligent. Even if they're genuinely highly intelligent, this label gives their claim more weight than a possibly equally-intelligent person with no such label.

Asperger's is a candidate for this fakery because it is (#1) hard to verify or disprove. A person can simply claim to have "very high functioning Asperger's," meaning that they don't have to demonstrate much in the way of symptoms, (#2) except those they find favorable at a given moment. It's a "buffet disorder." Take what you like, leave the rest, and who's to say otherwise?

OTHER EXAMPLES:

"Clinical" Depression - These people are always keen to use the word "clinical" as a way of saying, "You may not argue this point or assign any responsibility to me." This is despite there having been no medical tests to prove there is any sort of chemical imbalance. You can't disprove them, and they have a license to get free attention from anyone by having the saddest sob story at any given moment.

Bipolar or Manic-Depressive - All of the benefits of claiming depression, but without the burden of having to be depressed all the time. You can be impulsive and rash, as well. But the bottom line is that if people are negatively impacted by your mood, that's just tough--it's not your responsibility, you have a disorder.

ADD/ADHD - I don't have to do anything I don't like, or pay attention to you, because I have a chemical imbalance for which I have had no chemical testing. You can't prove I don't have it, and it doesn't mean I'm dumb or have any sort of drawbacks. I can selectively choose when to pay attention or when not to, with complete freedom--it's the disorder!

SPECIAL NOTES:

- I know these are actual conditions that actual people have. I also know that diagnostic techniques are spotty at best, so plenty of people are able (and willing) to get a rushed diagnosis in order to excuse behavior by using the misfortune of others. There are real examples, and there are many, many fakers. This does not detract from the reality of the disorder itself.

- The fact that a medication "works" is not proof that there was a disorder, and is not an acceptable diagnostic methods. That's like me saying that, because I feel better after having a Twinkie and a glass of scotch, I must have depression that is linked to a Twinkie-scotch deficiency in my brain. Diagnosis comes before treatment, and it takes a long time and a lot of observation. Phony, armchair diagnosis is the only kind you can get on short notice.

- I'll repeat: In the majority of cases, I don't think people do this intentionally. I don't think they know that they're doing it for attention or excuses, but that doesn't make it any less true. The subconscious is powerful, especially in the sort of people already willing to surrender responsibility for their own behavior to a hollow label--these are the sort that were already predisposed to letting the subconscious "take over."
 

Spacelord

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For the love of... vaccines are not responsible for autism spectrum disorders, and in order to get a clinical diagnosis for Asperger's you need to have a lot worse symptoms than the one you describe. An actual diagnosis of Asperger's syndrome is actually quite bad because it ruins a person's ability to function independantly in society.