Poll: Avatar, what's the big deal?

[neznajko]

This movie had CGI, good CGI, and that's about it. Not an ounce of originality. Still, it's going to win gajilion Academy Awards.

 

[MagnetoHydroDynamics]

True, Avatar is nothing but "Disneys Pochahontas Dances With Cat-Smurfs in Space," but it is just so god damn nice-looking!
Seriously, everybody who ***** about the plot: Have you seen it?
If yes: Did you even have time to think about the plot being predictable when you sat in front of the silver screen?
If no: Go see it, then we can talk.

PS. 3D cinema is overrated.

 

[DaBozz]

For a film that cost $280.000.000 to make I would like a story that has not been stolen from disney film. I would rather have a film that had no CGI and a orginal story.

anyone who likes avatar is basicly proof that, you put shiny grapics on front of a human and the love it no matter what.

That's a horrible analogy. It was generaly good and no story these days is really original, avatar was a bit too familiar to Pocahontas but it was still generaly good.

I know the analogy was bad, but I had this agument soooo many times Im getting bored of saying it. Avatar is -not- the film of the year far from it.

What argument?

There are many people that love the movie, even enough to say it's the best they have ever seen, do you have some kind of problem with that? I hope not, there are many people that would agree it's not the best movie of the year but they don't get annoyed with the people who do.

Just by that comment I can guess that you like it.
Its overhyped and I personly -hate- it when poeple overhype something thats not even that good
like trasonformers, COD6, Avatar, Michel jackson.
the problem is 40%poeple say its cool and another 40% just agree with them without forming an opinion of there own, but suddenly when someone challenges the idea then OMG what assholes.

 

[tanithwolf]

I personally enjoyed it, it was even nice not having a ridiculously complex plot.

 

[Nazulu]

For a film that cost $280.000.000 to make I would like a story that has not been stolen from disney film. I would rather have a film that had no CGI and a orginal story.

anyone who likes avatar is basicly proof that, you put shiny grapics on front of a human and the love it no matter what.

That's a horrible analogy. It was generaly good and no story these days is really original, avatar was a bit too familiar to Pocahontas but it was still generaly good.

I know the analogy was bad, but I had this agument soooo many times Im getting bored of saying it. Avatar is -not- the film of the year far from it.

What argument?

There are many people that love the movie, even enough to say it's the best they have ever seen, do you have some kind of problem with that? I hope not, there are many people that would agree it's not the best movie of the year but they don't get annoyed with the people who do.

Just by that comment I can guess that you like it.
Its overhyped and I personly -hate- it when poeple overhype something thats not even that good
like trasonformers, COD6, Avatar, Michel jackson.
the problem is 40%poeple say its cool and another 40% just agree with them without forming an opinion of there own, but suddenly when someone challenges the idea then OMG what assholes.

If you looked earlier into the thread you would have seen I already said I liked it, is that not a good thing?

So what if it's over-hyped? Everything is over-hyped these days, are you going to get annoyed at everyone just because they don't think like you?

I used to fall for hype but not anymore, I know better and because of this it won't ruin any experience ever again. I liked the Avatar for what it is, an action flick with an explosion of CGI, I was entertained by it but I wouldn't put it anywhere near my greatest movies list.

 

[TheDoctor455]

Well, I loved it, and thought it was the best film of 2009, and possibly the decade for me.
I'd rate it up there with other epics like Lawrence of Arabia.

But that's just my opinion.

But really, people just need to stop over-analyzing it.
It's a popcorn film, it's just to entertain you.
It's not going to change the world or anything.

Seconded.

 

[Nemu]

Haven't seen it.
Have no desire to see it.
Won't see it unless my gf drags me to it this weekend.

 

[Evilproduct]

I know the story was a bit recycled, but i still enjoyed it as a whole, CGI aside. the CGI was spectacular though, never seen it better. cant we just enjoy a movie and not rate and degrade the experience, cause i liked it and i felt my money was well spent

 

[clipse15]

People really need to learn to adjust there expectations when they watch films. What I generally see is people trying to compare a blockbuster to fucking Citizen Kane. That makes no sense to me. You go and see a film like No Country For Old Men and you say ok this film is trying to have some artistic merit and appeal to a demographic that enjoys cinema.

You go to a James Cameron film knowing that story and dialogue is going to be second to visual effects. I don't know why anyone is trying to assume any different. The difference between Cameron and someone like Bay (Not hating on bay because I do like him) is that generally your going to get an engaging story.

You can't rate every film on the same scale or maybe thats just why I don't have any seething hate for many films.

 

[Ashbax]

It's not going to change the world or anything.

Ahhh well. It is but not in the way you think. After Avatar films and motion capture technology is never gonna be the same. Also, I doubt pop culture is gonna come away from the film unscatched

I'm really worried this is going to encourage more CGI based films. As routinely demonstrated - CGI battling CGI is at best souless, at worst, pointless.

This is one of the reasons why Avatar has been labeled "A Game Changer" although thats a rather negative thing. The positive however is that motion capture technology now has something in can best and that future filmmakers can do even wilder things that we can imagine.

I'm not convinced. I can't remember a situation where I've seen a CGI thing fighting a CGI thing and cared. CGI was at a good enough level for it to stand up today in Jurassic Park and Starship Troopers. The reason: they used it subtly and reinforced it with real things.

I certainly wouldn't presume that CGI will allow wider things to be done. All I've seen from Avatar, as an example, is an incredibly detailed - but ultimately generic sci-fantasy world with no real soul.

Mother tree - check, native people in tune with nature - check, dragon but not dragons - check.

District 9 however, that's imagination.

Hmm...that description you have there - Mother tree etc, its basically the night elves from WoW...rofl.

Also, personally I thought the movie was fantastic. A well spent 3 hours, IMO.

 

[DaBozz]

For a film that cost $280.000.000 to make I would like a story that has not been stolen from disney film. I would rather have a film that had no CGI and a orginal story.

anyone who likes avatar is basicly proof that, you put shiny grapics on front of a human and the love it no matter what.

That's a horrible analogy. It was generaly good and no story these days is really original, avatar was a bit too familiar to Pocahontas but it was still generaly good.

I know the analogy was bad, but I had this agument soooo many times Im getting bored of saying it. Avatar is -not- the film of the year far from it.

What argument?

There are many people that love the movie, even enough to say it's the best they have ever seen, do you have some kind of problem with that? I hope not, there are many people that would agree it's not the best movie of the year but they don't get annoyed with the people who do.

Just by that comment I can guess that you like it.
Its overhyped and I personly -hate- it when poeple overhype something thats not even that good
like trasonformers, COD6, Avatar, Michel jackson.
the problem is 40%poeple say its cool and another 40% just agree with them without forming an opinion of there own, but suddenly when someone challenges the idea then OMG what assholes.

If you looked earlier into the thread you would have seen I already said I liked it, is that not a good thing?

So what if it's over-hyped? Everything is over-hyped these days, are you going to get annoyed at everyone just because they don't think like you?

I used to fall for hype but not anymore, I know better and because of this it won't ruin any experience ever again. I liked the Avatar for what it is, an action flick with an explosion of CGI, I was entertained by it but I wouldn't put it anywhere near my greatest movies list.

Meh I did not read to far into the thread.

Im not getting annoyed, mearly saying poeple need to think for themselves once in a while.

and I have no problem with you *shurgs*
but nothing will make me change my mind about avatar, so you like it I don't thats all it comes down too.

 

[Monkeytacoz]

nothing was special about Avatar except the special effects. if you take those away, all you are left with is Pocahontas. the amazing special effects is what made most people want to see it

 

[HotFezz8]

ha!! good the numbers back me up in saying it is a good film.

good characters, a comfortable story, a stunning shot design which is always full and never cluttered, truly breathtaking fight scenes, and a voyueristic look into two massivley different and intriguing cultures. whats not to like??

 

[JeanLuc761]

People really need to learn to adjust there expectations when they watch films. What I generally see is people trying to compare a blockbuster to fucking Citizen Kane. That makes no sense to me. You go and see a film like No Country For Old Men and you say ok this film is trying to have some artistic merit and appeal to a demographic that enjoys cinema.

You go to a James Cameron film knowing that story and dialogue is going to be second to visual effects. I don't know why anyone is trying to assume any different. The difference between Cameron and someone like Bay (Not hating on bay because I do like him) is that generally your going to get an engaging story.

You can't rate every film on the same scale or maybe thats just why I don't have any seething hate for many films.

Pretty much this. I don't know a single person who walked into that movie expecting it to be the greatest storytelling endeavor in all of mankind. The advertisements, the people I went with, and myself all agree that it never intended to be more than an adventure-blockbuster.

I don't need a complex an intriguing storyline to enjoy a movie, I just want to be taken for a ride. As far as I'm concerned, this mentality has changed since the arrival of The Dark Knight and Iron Man. Both films had great stories and complex moral ideas, yet they were summer blockbusters. To me, it seems that now everyone expects other popcorn flicks to follow the same path.

 

[Nazulu]

For a film that cost $280.000.000 to make I would like a story that has not been stolen from disney film. I would rather have a film that had no CGI and a orginal story.

anyone who likes avatar is basicly proof that, you put shiny grapics on front of a human and the love it no matter what.

That's a horrible analogy. It was generaly good and no story these days is really original, avatar was a bit too familiar to Pocahontas but it was still generaly good.

I know the analogy was bad, but I had this agument soooo many times Im getting bored of saying it. Avatar is -not- the film of the year far from it.

What argument?

There are many people that love the movie, even enough to say it's the best they have ever seen, do you have some kind of problem with that? I hope not, there are many people that would agree it's not the best movie of the year but they don't get annoyed with the people who do.

Just by that comment I can guess that you like it.
Its overhyped and I personly -hate- it when poeple overhype something thats not even that good
like trasonformers, COD6, Avatar, Michel jackson.
the problem is 40%poeple say its cool and another 40% just agree with them without forming an opinion of there own, but suddenly when someone challenges the idea then OMG what assholes.

If you looked earlier into the thread you would have seen I already said I liked it, is that not a good thing?

So what if it's over-hyped? Everything is over-hyped these days, are you going to get annoyed at everyone just because they don't think like you?

I used to fall for hype but not anymore, I know better and because of this it won't ruin any experience ever again. I liked the Avatar for what it is, an action flick with an explosion of CGI, I was entertained by it but I wouldn't put it anywhere near my greatest movies list.

Meh I did not read to far into the thread.

Im not getting annoyed, mearly saying poeple need to think for themselves once in a while.

and I have no problem with you *shrugs*
but nothing will make me change my mind about avatar, so you like it I don't thats all it comes down too.

You just said you hate it when things get overhyped, that's a strong word so sorry if I had mistaken you getting annoyed, but still don't let it ruin your experience.

Also I am not trying to change your mind about the Avatar, it doesn't bother me frankly, it was just that opening analogy that disturbed me.

Just curious, why didn't you like the movie? I doubt it was just because of the over-used story.

 

[clipse15]

People really need to learn to adjust there expectations when they watch films. What I generally see is people trying to compare a blockbuster to fucking Citizen Kane. That makes no sense to me. You go and see a film like No Country For Old Men and you say ok this film is trying to have some artistic merit and appeal to a demographic that enjoys cinema.

You go to a James Cameron film knowing that story and dialogue is going to be second to visual effects. I don't know why anyone is trying to assume any different. The difference between Cameron and someone like Bay (Not hating on bay because I do like him) is that generally your going to get an engaging story.

You can't rate every film on the same scale or maybe thats just why I don't have any seething hate for many films.

Pretty much this. I don't know a single person who walked into that movie expecting it to be the greatest storytelling endeavor in all of mankind. The advertisements, the people I went with, and myself all agree that it never intended to be more than an adventure-blockbuster.

I don't need a complex an intriguing storyline to enjoy a movie, I just want to be taken for a ride. As far as I'm concerned, this mentality has changed since the arrival of The Dark Knight and Iron Man. Both films had great stories and complex moral ideas, yet they were summer blockbusters. To me, it seems that now everyone expects other popcorn flicks to follow the same path.

Ya I'm convinced if Aliens came out today people would ***** and ***** about it because it's not up to The Dark Knight quality

 

[Marowit]

Basically it's a re-hashed version of Ferngully that has had several tried and true cliches stitched into the the plot.

That being said, I've seen it, twice, and enjoyed it both times. Sure it's nothing new, but the 3-D is really well done, and I was entertained (isn't that the point of most movies?). It actually seemed like a 3-D movie, rather than a movie that was ported into 3-D.

 

[Nazulu]

People really need to learn to adjust there expectations when they watch films. What I generally see is people trying to compare a blockbuster to fucking Citizen Kane. That makes no sense to me. You go and see a film like No Country For Old Men and you say ok this film is trying to have some artistic merit and appeal to a demographic that enjoys cinema.

You go to a James Cameron film knowing that story and dialogue is going to be second to visual effects. I don't know why anyone is trying to assume any different. The difference between Cameron and someone like Bay (Not hating on bay because I do like him) is that generally your going to get an engaging story.

You can't rate every film on the same scale or maybe thats just why I don't have any seething hate for many films.

Pretty much this. I don't know a single person who walked into that movie expecting it to be the greatest storytelling endeavor in all of mankind. The advertisements, the people I went with, and myself all agree that it never intended to be more than an adventure-blockbuster.

I don't need a complex an intriguing storyline to enjoy a movie, I just want to be taken for a ride. As far as I'm concerned, this mentality has changed since the arrival of The Dark Knight and Iron Man. Both films had great stories and complex moral ideas, yet they were summer blockbusters. To me, it seems that now everyone expects other popcorn flicks to follow the same path.

Ya I'm convinced if Aliens came out today people would ***** and ***** about it because it's not up to The Dark Knight quality

I doubt that actually, I prefer to watch Aliens a lot more than the Dark Knight.

 

[clipse15]

People really need to learn to adjust there expectations when they watch films. What I generally see is people trying to compare a blockbuster to fucking Citizen Kane. That makes no sense to me. You go and see a film like No Country For Old Men and you say ok this film is trying to have some artistic merit and appeal to a demographic that enjoys cinema.

You go to a James Cameron film knowing that story and dialogue is going to be second to visual effects. I don't know why anyone is trying to assume any different. The difference between Cameron and someone like Bay (Not hating on bay because I do like him) is that generally your going to get an engaging story.

You can't rate every film on the same scale or maybe thats just why I don't have any seething hate for many films.

Pretty much this. I don't know a single person who walked into that movie expecting it to be the greatest storytelling endeavor in all of mankind. The advertisements, the people I went with, and myself all agree that it never intended to be more than an adventure-blockbuster.

I don't need a complex an intriguing storyline to enjoy a movie, I just want to be taken for a ride. As far as I'm concerned, this mentality has changed since the arrival of The Dark Knight and Iron Man. Both films had great stories and complex moral ideas, yet they were summer blockbusters. To me, it seems that now everyone expects other popcorn flicks to follow the same path.

Ya I'm convinced if Aliens came out today people would ***** and ***** about it because it's not up to The Dark Knight quality

I doubt that actually, I prefer to watch Aliens a lot more than the Dark Knight.

I love all of the alien movies. (Yes even 3 and ressurection) but to me the only one that is up to the cinematic quality of TDK is Alien1

 

[CarbonEagle]

The movies strong point wasn't the story or the characters... it was the setting. The world was gorgeous and the way the ecosystem seemed to fit together was quite realistic (in a fantasy sort of way). By that i mean that if life evolved differently it quite possibly could have been like the world in avatar.

On the other hand, i was dissapointed that the robots/exosuits only had ONE variation of weapon... since they were handheld they would have been easily interchangable. Some rockets or heavy artillery weapon would have been nice.