I was starting to lose faith in this forum before I saw that you posted his name.Aku_San said:
Without a doubt, one of the greatest military tacticians and strategists of all time.
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Without a doubt, one of the greatest military tacticians and strategists of all time.
Apologies but a history major rant herePatrickXD said:
You know if he had left it too the experts the Germans probably would have won.
Hitler micromanaged everything from troop movements to individual generals and what they should do.
He even had an entire army in Russia move several hundred miles from there designated attack point on a whim
And Hannibal never got betrayed by Carthage but thats minor
Okay, I laughed.Nearing9 said:
I want to say Nobunaga, but he wasn't actually ever the leader of Japan.
Amen. Revan was badass, If only he didin't get knocked out and turned to the light side.Daystar Clarion said:
Oh you also forgot the fact that he never lost a battle, that really makes him shittyKlitch said:
That's why I like Revan, because during the Mandalorian wars, he was neither Jedi, nor Sith. He disliked the Council's stance on the war and decided that if they weren't going to save the lives of thousands of people, he would.A Weakgeek said:
Obviously, it has to be Optimus Primal.
The man single-handedly saved Optimus Prime, won the Beast Wars, and beat up a giant mech dragon on a prehistoric Earth.
The man single-handedly saved Optimus Prime, won the Beast Wars, and beat up a giant mech dragon on a prehistoric Earth.
AFAIK, whenever Hitler had an idea for a war strategy ("I want to invade... X!") he turned to a popular general that managed to maneuver his way to the inner circle to draw up the whole thing for him, and then scrutinized it very harshly, forcing constant revisions that were often not tactically sound as well as delaying action at critical moments.MrFluffy-X said:
In other words, he wasn't a game programmer, he was a beta tester with authority.
This is true. I mean North Africa is where the SAS largely proved their reputation as the most deadly special force in the world, and who was their strategist? Montgomery.RabbidKuriboh said:
(I wouldn't call him the best wartime leader though. He might have proved his worth in Africa, but after that he fucked up on Market Garden.)
Basil (the Bulger-slayer) II
watch Engineering an Empire: the Byzantines and you'll understand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coSr0L7K2zI
watch Engineering an Empire: the Byzantines and you'll understand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coSr0L7K2zI
I want to say Hannibal Barca he deafeated the Roman's time and time again but couldn't gain ultimate victory and was then defeated at Zama.
Personally I think Caesar has to be a strong contender you look at some of the messed up military situations he got into and still managed to win everytime the man was nothing short of genius. He also earned the troops loyalty enough to march on Rome and had the ambition to become it's dictator. He also could see the quality in Octavian (Augustus Caesar) before anybody else could, so not only did he become dictator be he also carved out a path for the Emperor's to take power after he was gone. Oh and he did all of this off his own back. Amazing General, Statesman and Leader enough said.
Personally I think Caesar has to be a strong contender you look at some of the messed up military situations he got into and still managed to win everytime the man was nothing short of genius. He also earned the troops loyalty enough to march on Rome and had the ambition to become it's dictator. He also could see the quality in Octavian (Augustus Caesar) before anybody else could, so not only did he become dictator be he also carved out a path for the Emperor's to take power after he was gone. Oh and he did all of this off his own back. Amazing General, Statesman and Leader enough said.
That's a tad myopic, there. WW2 involved an awful lot of the entire world, you can't give credit to any one person.Carlston said:
No, they'd still have lost. He got a number of important things very wrong, yes, but then he also got a few things right that his generals didn't believe could be done.cWg | Konka said:
More importantly, the Allied forces (predominantly, but not exclusively, the US) developed atomic bombs. As soon as that happened, the Axis powers could not win. The Aliies might have had to remove alot of Europe and the Pacific, but they'd win.
Err, the Allied forces went to alot of effort into tricking the Nazis that a second army was going to invade, they tacked Patton's name on for verisimilitude. A useful deception, yes, but that's not the same as him defeating the Third Reich.RabbidKuriboh said:
Carried on his ideas? Well, yes, he did conquer much of the known world, and large parts of what wasn't in the known world until he'd conquered them before he was 40...I don't think you can really say that his father would have done the same if he'd lived.F said:
He'd have been called "the Great" if he'd had just about anyone else for a son, but he was definitely eclipsed.
I wasn't really sure on the Hannibal thing anyway, just some stories my bro had been telling me (he does Classic Civilisations) but I usually get stories like that mixed up =3indiangrunt91 said:
I didn't realise that Hitler controlled that much =S I was always taught that although he had the definitive line on everything, he was never actively engaged in controlling everyone until later in the war. From what I know (which may or may not be true) Hitler questionably did not know quite the numbers of the Holocaust, he ordered the attack on Russia far too soon and then told everyone to stand and fight, holding whatever they had.
My thoughts exactly, he may not know how to tie his shoes but damn it that man knows how to sell a war.DeadSp8s said:
Dujek Onearm, obviously. Do you remember how he walked all over Genabackis with a small, under supplied force? The man was a damn hero.