Poll: Borderlands 2 Writer debate over twitter about the racist Tiny Tina

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JohnnyDelRay

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Prejudices in everything! Damn, you'd think the more politically correct we get, the more prejudices exist because they are unturned and sought out in all kinds of places you wouldn't think they exist. A lot of the people complaining are just a bunch of white guys, trying to be all heroic and overly humanitarian. She's not actively insulting any black people, and if black people took offense with her wackiness being attributed to them, then you could be easily offended by anyone who shares similar background traits with you, who isn't a pinnacle of perfection. She's not saying things like 'shizzle my nizzle' or whatever phrases are actually "only OK for black people to say", so what's the big deal....anyone want to say Eminem is racist as well?
 

xPixelatedx

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All I see on the internet today is whining. Whining about everything being sexist, racist or what have you. You know, there was a time when things actually were sexist and racist, and trust me if that time was today... you would know! You would know because people wouldn't be whining about it on twitter, they would be fighting it! They would take up arms on the streets, in Washington, etc.
Today, the most prevalent political incorrectness most of us have to face is someone 'spinning' something they don't like into a cause to fight against. As pants-on-head retarded as it is, it is also a testament to how far we've come. We are still willing to 'fight the good fight', but thankfully the genuine fight is no longer there. This article is proof of that. So much time on so many hands, and no real cause to take up; a dangerous combination.
 

GamingAwesome1

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What? No! How did anyone even manage to get that impression? The stupidity of some people is evidently boundless.

I mean, really? The only sorts of people who think black people really talk like that are either hugely sheltered individuals or actually racist ones.

She's just a hyperactive child in a fairly mental world, the way she speaks is fairly believable to me and certainly isn't racist.
 

F-I-D-O

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There is no way she is racist. As someone above said, she's just incredibly spastic. She's as insane as anyone else in the game. And honestly, a 13 year old left to her own devices could come up with a word like "badonkadonk." And since when was using made up words racist? There might be an issue if she was speaking in Gullah, but she's just using slang. I only see super paranoid people searching for problems finding racism in Borderlands 2.
If we absolutely must bring in race, why is everyone on Pandora white except for Roland (and maybe Zero)?
EDIT: Fixed some grammar errors. God damn I need coffee.
 

Khrowley

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I found Tina's speech patterns to be epicly annoying (Clap-Trap FTW wub wub wub!), though I did like her poem. Still in the end I don't find her character to be racist, just poorly done enough to make me miss the comedic effect the writers were going for.
 

Danial

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List of Black people who have come out and commented that this was Racist-0
List of Stuck up Annoying lefty's (I say this as a die hard Left winger myself)who seem to think that shouting "THATS RACIST!!!" at everything will make them seem less racist-4


I also find her depiction of 1800s England to also be racist because I have no f**king idea what the word means Tralalalala

Edit: To be honest I always thought Tina was just what would happen if you left a kid too their own devices with the current popular culture, shes not all black lingo (MTV) shes also a weird mish-mash of popular culture and internet culture, threatening to eat babies random ebonics, old style English "like a sir" speech, shes basically what happened if 9gag, MTV and 4chan raised a baby.

Too be honest if "kids sometimes copy what they see" is Racist then the word is truly dead.

I mean its weird she's a 2000+ pop culture mash up since BL2 is ment to be set in the year God knows when on a future space planet, but never the less.

The worst part about that this random Racist shouting is it takes the edge off the real actual and still fucking scary racism that still exists in the world, shout that saying badonkaadonk if you happen to have a low melanin levels is some how in the same league as the horror story that was black face is just idiotic and 9/10 is written by someone that wouldn't know what racism was if it organised a march agaist him and then smashed the windows of all his shop windows (this still happens, check out EDL marches)
 

Jezzascmezza

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I always thought Tiny Tina was just insane- not a racist.
Some people are just looking too hard to find something controversial.
 

Therumancer

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This is pretty much what I'm talking about when I refer to "lib-trolls" that is to say people who use a version of the liberal agenda to spread chaos and get attention, without any real issue being at stake (which they know). The basic idea is you can drop an "ist" or an "ism" about anything in certain forums, especially gaming ones which tend to be vocally left wing, and get tons of people rallying against whatever you say simply because of the accusation, there being a fear that refusing to get involved or saying "hey wait, this isn't an issue, it's stupid" will get the objector labeled. The Troll who starts it can sit back and watch the chaos unfold for many lulz, especially if some people object.

It's becoming a bigger issue in recent months because a lot of people, including genuine liberals are beginning to catch on, and your seeing more in the way of genuine opposition to the trend.

It should also be noted that this can, and is, done in reverse. You do have people who troll the same way using conservative issues in the right forums, when there really isn't any kind of issue, even by hardcore right wing standards, but pretending there is one and getting attention can again generate lulz due to the rallying effect.

I will lose a lot of respect for BL and Gearbox if the writer actually DOES relent and change this for these reasons, as this is exactly the kind of situation where people need to stick to their guns no matter how many objections they seem to be. Backing down here, or in cases like the "Hitman Absolution" trailer, and similar things, just encourages trolls to continue pushing and trying to make issues out of nothing.

To be honest you can tell it's trolling because of all the uncouth crap in Borderlands they actually pick one of the least offensive bits to single out. Between characters like Hammerlock and Handsome Jack (Butt Stallion, etc...) left wingers could be rallied to cries of homophobia, not to mention sexism especially if you consider what Scooter says about his mom (and who it is) between BL 1 and BL 2. Of course if the "Tiny Tina" thing succeeds, you can pretty much assume any one of a thousand other things will be picked on, because at it's core Borderlands is exactly the opposite of trying to be "Politically Correct", indeed one could argue it's 100% offensive and irreverant towards pretty much everything and everyone, played up for humor. Nothing is sacred to Borderlands, and that's kind of the point.

Otherwise, understand "wiggers" have been around for decades now, starting to seriously appear in the 1990s. This is to say white people who adopt manners of dress, lingo, etc... from black criminal counter-culture and try and hang out with that crowd. The fact that's it's genuine, as opposed to something similar to "Black Face" is why it's garnered so much attention for so long.

To be honest the serious dialogue that it's generated has had less to do with racism in the "whites hate blacks" thing but on black superiority (since there is a tendency to not accept people who do this), as well as the negative influance black culture has had on society. The appeal of this kind of thing being that blacks being a protected minority get away with doing, saying, and acting in a way that would get someone who isn't black in a lot of trouble. Kids being trouble makers by their nature started idealizing this kind of thing for that reason and taking the attitude that "if I do the same thing, and claim the same reasons behind it, I too can get away with it". Something that has met with mixed results.

This kind of thing is exactly why you've had guys like Bill Cosby, who has a PHD in Children's Education in addition to being an actor and comedian, going off about the effects of black counter culture on society in general, as well as specifically to black youth. Something that applies heavily to schools and such which is part of his area of expertise. Showing how such a "sacred cow" mentality has basically created both blocks to the progression of, and assimilation into the mainstream of black america, but also leaked into other aspects of society, encouraging increasingly anti-social behavior and a scorn of things like education in favor of crime and using a counter-culture to justify not fitting into and working within society.

The point of the above rant is that whether you like it or not, there are 13 year old whites, of both genders, who act EXACTLY like Tiny Tina does. It exists, and isn't exactly uncommon, so it's not like Borderlands using it, and making fun of it in it's own way (like it mocks everything) is noteworthy.

This writer, and those following this discussion/issue should remember the first rule of the internets, or what SHOULD be the first rule... "Don't Feed The Trolls".
 

Legion

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This here is a prime example of what I mean by people going out of their way to try and find things offensive. Sad people with little better to do than try and find reasons for them to claim to being mistreated somehow. People like this are the kind of people that allow true racism to exist, because they desensitise people to genuine issues by crying wolf.
 

Netrigan

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Near as I can figure it from their avatars, it's a bunch of white guys being offended. People who are offended on the behalf of others are the easiest to ignore since they're usually not basing it on any actual offense.

Whites have a long tradition of co-opting black culture. More accurately, *people* have a long tradition of co-opting *anything* they like, whether it be music, fashion, or even language. Tiny Tina isn't simply a little white girl co-opting black language, she's a miss-mash of all sorts of influences, culminating in a pretty original comedic character.
 

soren7550

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I wouldn't say that she's racist, but rather really annoying.

She did kind of redeem herself in Mr Torgue's Campaign of Carnage though. "Wait a minute. Those cookies aren't chocolate chip. Those...are...raisins. WHYYYYYY-HY-HYYYYY?! SHAWTY, DESTROY ALL THE FOOD DISPENSERS! WIPE THE RAISIN ABOMINATIONS OFF THE MAP! I JUST WANTED CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIES! WHY DO BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO GOOD PEOPLE?"
 
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The funniest thing about this is how the way Tiny Tina speaks is not even racial at all. My oldest WHITE friend speaks that way. Or rather, in the way Tina's exaggeration is referring to. This mode of English speech is still called Ebonics, but that's an outdated and meaningless term by now when people of any racial or ethnic group can speak that way.

And the thing is, even if it was somehow exclusive to black Americans, it still wouldn't be racist. At worst, it would be provocative poking at the boundaries of socially acceptable language and stereotypes. Which it isn't. It's just funny.
 

Ihateregistering1

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What utter garbage.

What's funny about this is the same folks whining about this would be whining if Tina was black, because then they'd say she's a stereotype of black women, and therefore that's racist.

It's sad that some people have such unfulfilling lives that they must go around searching for things to be offended about so they can feel "enlightened".
 

velcrokidneyz

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i love tiny tina, proly my favorite npc in the game, she cracks me up. the mission she has after with the tea party is kinda sad tho but you get a cool ass gun for it :p
 

Callate

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In fairness, I found Tina's monologues kind of funny (though ultimately her character is rather tragic.) But my baseline reaction is that labeling things like this "racist" does anyone who has to deal with or fight racism that really affects people on a daily personal level a huge disservice.
 

dragonswarrior

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WoW Killer said:
bananafishtoday said:
Intent isn't important; what matters is the actual content. "It wasn't meant to be racist" isn't a valid defense if the work ends up being racist anyway
Bollocks. You're talking of political incorrectness, not racism. You can accidentally say something politically incorrect. You don't accidentally hate people of other races. You don't accidentally believe a race to be inferior to another. You don't accidentally keep slaves or commit genocide. Words aren't racist; only the people saying them can be racist.
Actually, a lot of racism is "accidental". That's why it's still such a problem today. Racism is ingrained into the modern system, which is why a lot of people can comfortably deny being racist even when all of them (yes, all of them) actually are. Because they were raised and live in and contribute to the system.

That dreaded system...

OT: Yea. It's racist. I wouldn't want the writer to change her character though. Because people like that exist, and it IS part of her character, and etc. What I would like, in a perfect world, is in some DLC for another character to call her out on it in a reasoned and intelligent manner. And then have her ignore it. That would be funny, keeping in character, and present an alternative viewpoint while telling the viewer that "No, this is not just okay to do."

So there is that.
 

Ihateregistering1

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dragonswarrior said:
WoW Killer said:
bananafishtoday said:
Actually, a lot of racism is "accidental". That's why it's still such a problem today. Racism is ingrained into the modern system, which is why a lot of people can comfortably deny being racist even when all of them (yes, all of them) actually are. Because they were raised and live in and contribute to the system.
This is the dictionary definition of "racism"

"1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races."

You cannot "accidentally" have a belief, doctrine, or have intolerance or hatred. You can accidentally say or do something that people might construe that way, but that doesn't mean that is your fundamental belief. That's like if I accidentally stubbed my toe and people claimed that it really means I enjoyed hurting myself. Is that possible? Yes. But can you know that just from my accidental action? Unless you're a mind reader, no.

Likewise, making a claim that "everyone" believes anything (unless they openly tell you they do) is absurd, because saying that any group (in this case, the entire damn human race) automatically believes one thing is stereotyping to an absurd degree.