Poll: Can an opinion be wrong?

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LastMondaysHangover

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Well if someone has an opinion that a human being can't die when his head is cut off, I would think that would be an opinion that is wrong.

....Wait, am I doing it wrong?
 

smeghead25

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Xero Scythe said:
Yes, especially if from Jack Thompson.

...Serious Joke aside
That was a joke? I could swear that is fact.

I'm of the opinion that if anyone ever actually finds the stone tablets with the 10 Commandments on, the eleventh will say "Jack Thompson can suck thy divine cock and then go to Hell."
 

tofulove

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Xero Scythe said:
Yes, especially if from Jack Thompson.

...Serious Joke aside, only if the opinion is on a stated fact. You can't disagree with me if my opinion is that french silk pie is better than apple pie (Though you can call me un-American)
However, you can say my opinion is wrong if I believe that all J-
Okay, nevermind. Even thinking that makes me sick.

Try this: You can say my opinion is wrong if I believe all people who live on islands to be technologically impaired idiots who managed to wreck themselves on an island after reading Robinson Crusoe. (Defier- Okinawa, Cuba, and technically, all the continents are really just massive islands.)
i was talking to a aussie he said australia was the worlds biggest island, i said what about the combined land mass of europe asia and africa, he said thats not a island, i said but the land mass is surrounded by water, he said its to big, i said who made that rule up, and went on to say if your continent had more than one country no one would ever call it a island.
 

Imat

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rockyoumonkeys said:
Of course they can. If your opinion is that one race is inferior to another, your opinion is wrong.
Well, depends on what you mean by inferior. Overall, yeah, that opinion'd be wrong. However, races have both advantages and disadvantages. If every race in an rpg had the same stats, would anybody ever pick anything but dwarf? The answer is no, no they would not. Real world example: Being a white male in the US puts you in the "majority," with access to exclusive clubs just by being you, but it also means you're less likely to get a job (Unless it truly is based on merit, then its anybody's game), less likely to get scholarships for college, etc. Advantages and Disadvantages, but no character creation screen for you.
 

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Just Pman said:
Lyx said:
@OP:
All used arguments do of course have a general "correct" value - but since everyone can rate however he/she wants, there is no way to force how someone should rate - or in short: You cannot act in place of someone else. You are you, he is him.
(Just trying to understand what you're saying here) So since anything stated is only true/false to the person observing it, then what is "fact"?
Most people think of "fact" as some general proof - bit like a "totally 'justified' thesis". For example, if a lot of people observe something, some may claim that it's proven/fact. But "in fact" ( *g* ), it is simply what these people perceived and typically also interpreted. Or to raise the bet even higher: Let's say i claim "true = true".... thats a tautology, so logically it MUST be right.

And yet, i could just say "No - that's false"... of course, its impossible that i can actually apply such a break of logics in all my thougths in everyday life - i cannot really life up to that - but i can "claim" anything. Thats what i was trying to get at: Just because something makes sense, i don't have to accept that - i can just ignore or reject it. And there is no one who can force me to do it right, or wrong -> lack of universal judge.

So, in short: Yes, in the context of certain available info, there are theses that are generally right/wrong/true/untrue - but there is none that says or enforces this generic right/wrong/true/untrue.... its up to a consciousness to analyse and decide that.
 

smeghead25

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Telen said:
There's two classes of opinions: Valid and invalid.

An invalid opinion may have no basis in fact, or in fact, contradict facts.
What if it contradicts itself? Like religion? :p

EDIT: Fixed quote :p
 

tofulove

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Telen said:
There's two classes of opinions: Valid and invalid.

A valid opinion has some basis in fact and is a reasonable conclusion that, while you may not personally agree, is understandable. So, say, I like using the fully upgraded shotgun in Bioshock 1 because it is an effective weapon with a visceral kick and some range and the specialty ammo is handy in a range of situations. My friend, on the other hand, goes full wrench-jockey, and spends a lot of tonics to optimize things that this works for him, and likes the feel of impact and likes blindsiding someone so they drop in one hit. Even though it is not my preferred style, I can understand his reasons for playing that way.

An invalid opinion is...oh, hating Metroid Prime 1 for not playing like Halo, or being in a bad mood because the sky is blue and hydrogen only has one electron. An invalid opinion may have no basis in fact, or in fact, contradict facts. If the facts cited as evidence can be proven to be objectively wrong, the opinion is invalid and it behooves you to revise your worldview so it more closely resembles reality.
shh, dont speak reason, you'll end the debate on if obama is a jew hitler who wants to destroy america,

but in all seriousness, i like your point of view, a valid opinion, i think white people are better than black people, my evidence backing my opinion, white people invented most things in the world, and have a very vibrant culture. but black people did invent peanut butter and generally do better in sports, so hard to make that call.
 

tofulove

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Imat said:
rockyoumonkeys said:
Of course they can. If your opinion is that one race is inferior to another, your opinion is wrong.
Well, depends on what you mean by inferior. Overall, yeah, that opinion'd be wrong. However, races have both advantages and disadvantages. If every race in an rpg had the same stats, would anybody ever pick anything but dwarf? The answer is no, no they would not. Real world example: Being a white male in the US puts you in the "majority," with access to exclusive clubs just by being you, but it also means you're less likely to get a job (Unless it truly is based on merit, then its anybody's game), less likely to get scholarships for college, etc. Advantages and Disadvantages, but no character creation screen for you.
your definition of majority is wrong, majority = 50%
 

The Austin

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Irony said:
The Austin said:
Kortney said:
Of course they can.

"My opinion is that people from New Zealand all have three legs".

That's not true. Yet it can still be an opinion.
That's not classified as an opinion. That's a statement with "My opinion" in front of it.

OP: No. No it can not be wrong.
As stated above, a statement can be wrong, but an opinion can not be wrong.

For example:

"I thought that Mass Effect sucked."
Is this wrong? Of course not, because it's an opinion.
Now, look at this:

"Mass Effect sucked"
Is this wrong? Yes. Yes it is. Because, despite the fact that I don't like Mass Effect, it is held in general consensus to be a good game, therefore, my statement is false.

See? :D
Nope.

My opinion = I think
"I think that people from New Zealand all have three legs."
That's an opinion.

And why is Mass Effect a good game because the "general consensus" is that it is a good game? "General consensus" is the same as "a lot of people think" which is also the same as "alot of people's opinions are". And if were saying that the "majority's opinion" is in the right, I would just like to bring up the point that it was the "majority's opinion" that Jews were less than human circa 1936~1946.

Majority opinion (or general consensus as you put it) =/= Fact
Just because you put "I think" in front of something doesn't make it an opinion. It makes it a falsification.

And what I meant by Mass Effect was that you could see that it was very well put together, the story was solid, etc. Therefore, you can admit that the game was good.
 

tofulove

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Just Pman said:
Okay, can we seriously stop making this about race? Geez...
in my professional opinion, your thread has bin hijacked, i blame rockyoumonkeys because he is clearly wrong based on the majority of people who speaking out in this thread atm, by majority rules i decree rockyoumonkeys is wrong. in tell that majority changes, than i am wrong.
 

Iconsting

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There are no stupid opinions, only stupid people with opinions and stupid reasons for an opinion.
 

Angryman101

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I don't think there's such a thing as a completely wrong or right opinion, but there most certainly are differing levels of validity when it comes to them. Opinions that are based around accrued wisdom, knowledge, and experience are more valid that opinions based on first impressions and ignorance.
 

SL33TBL1ND

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Of course, if my opinion is that the sky is pretty cloudy today and it's completely blue here then my opinion is wrong.
 

Admiral Stukov

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Yes. If the oppinion is based upon circular logic, or otherwise contradicts itself, it is provably wrong.

Other than that, no.
You can think pretty much whatever you damn please, but I'll most likely disagree with you.
Wich is fine, because that's how a discussion works.
 

Vohn_exel

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Dango said:
No, they can not. They can NOT be proven true or false, and they are completely made up.
Gah...I'm tired and wasn't thinking when I voted. Can I change mine to this?
 

VanityGirl

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An opinion can be something like "I think [a game] is good".
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My cousin was made at me because she said "The Florida Gators are the best team in the nation and they're going to kill Alabama!"

Of course this was wrong, and I pointed it out. Why was this "opinion" of hers wrong?

Well mainly because Florida is not ranked number 1 in college football.

:p
 

captain underpants

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Personally, I usually want to punch people in the face when they defend their ludicrous, bigoted, ignorant or just plain stupid statements with 'well, that just my opinion'. Anyone that says that should be roundly ignored.