Well if someone has an opinion that a human being can't die when his head is cut off, I would think that would be an opinion that is wrong.
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That was a joke? I could swear that is fact.Xero Scythe said:Yes, especially if from Jack Thompson.
...Serious Joke aside
i was talking to a aussie he said australia was the worlds biggest island, i said what about the combined land mass of europe asia and africa, he said thats not a island, i said but the land mass is surrounded by water, he said its to big, i said who made that rule up, and went on to say if your continent had more than one country no one would ever call it a island.Xero Scythe said:Yes, especially if from Jack Thompson.
...Serious Joke aside, only if the opinion is on a stated fact. You can't disagree with me if my opinion is that french silk pie is better than apple pie (Though you can call me un-American)
However, you can say my opinion is wrong if I believe that all J-
Okay, nevermind. Even thinking that makes me sick.
Try this: You can say my opinion is wrong if I believe all people who live on islands to be technologically impaired idiots who managed to wreck themselves on an island after reading Robinson Crusoe. (Defier- Okinawa, Cuba, and technically, all the continents are really just massive islands.)
Well, depends on what you mean by inferior. Overall, yeah, that opinion'd be wrong. However, races have both advantages and disadvantages. If every race in an rpg had the same stats, would anybody ever pick anything but dwarf? The answer is no, no they would not. Real world example: Being a white male in the US puts you in the "majority," with access to exclusive clubs just by being you, but it also means you're less likely to get a job (Unless it truly is based on merit, then its anybody's game), less likely to get scholarships for college, etc. Advantages and Disadvantages, but no character creation screen for you.rockyoumonkeys said:Of course they can. If your opinion is that one race is inferior to another, your opinion is wrong.
Most people think of "fact" as some general proof - bit like a "totally 'justified' thesis". For example, if a lot of people observe something, some may claim that it's proven/fact. But "in fact" ( *g* ), it is simply what these people perceived and typically also interpreted. Or to raise the bet even higher: Let's say i claim "true = true".... thats a tautology, so logically it MUST be right.Just Pman said:(Just trying to understand what you're saying here) So since anything stated is only true/false to the person observing it, then what is "fact"?Lyx said:@OP:
All used arguments do of course have a general "correct" value - but since everyone can rate however he/she wants, there is no way to force how someone should rate - or in short: You cannot act in place of someone else. You are you, he is him.
What if it contradicts itself? Like religion?Telen said:There's two classes of opinions: Valid and invalid.
An invalid opinion may have no basis in fact, or in fact, contradict facts.
shh, dont speak reason, you'll end the debate on if obama is a jew hitler who wants to destroy america,Telen said:There's two classes of opinions: Valid and invalid.
A valid opinion has some basis in fact and is a reasonable conclusion that, while you may not personally agree, is understandable. So, say, I like using the fully upgraded shotgun in Bioshock 1 because it is an effective weapon with a visceral kick and some range and the specialty ammo is handy in a range of situations. My friend, on the other hand, goes full wrench-jockey, and spends a lot of tonics to optimize things that this works for him, and likes the feel of impact and likes blindsiding someone so they drop in one hit. Even though it is not my preferred style, I can understand his reasons for playing that way.
An invalid opinion is...oh, hating Metroid Prime 1 for not playing like Halo, or being in a bad mood because the sky is blue and hydrogen only has one electron. An invalid opinion may have no basis in fact, or in fact, contradict facts. If the facts cited as evidence can be proven to be objectively wrong, the opinion is invalid and it behooves you to revise your worldview so it more closely resembles reality.
your definition of majority is wrong, majority = 50%Imat said:Well, depends on what you mean by inferior. Overall, yeah, that opinion'd be wrong. However, races have both advantages and disadvantages. If every race in an rpg had the same stats, would anybody ever pick anything but dwarf? The answer is no, no they would not. Real world example: Being a white male in the US puts you in the "majority," with access to exclusive clubs just by being you, but it also means you're less likely to get a job (Unless it truly is based on merit, then its anybody's game), less likely to get scholarships for college, etc. Advantages and Disadvantages, but no character creation screen for you.rockyoumonkeys said:Of course they can. If your opinion is that one race is inferior to another, your opinion is wrong.
Just because you put "I think" in front of something doesn't make it an opinion. It makes it a falsification.Irony said:Nope.The Austin said:That's not classified as an opinion. That's a statement with "My opinion" in front of it.Kortney said:Of course they can.
"My opinion is that people from New Zealand all have three legs".
That's not true. Yet it can still be an opinion.
OP: No. No it can not be wrong.
As stated above, a statement can be wrong, but an opinion can not be wrong.
For example:
"I thought that Mass Effect sucked."
Is this wrong? Of course not, because it's an opinion.
Now, look at this:
"Mass Effect sucked"
Is this wrong? Yes. Yes it is. Because, despite the fact that I don't like Mass Effect, it is held in general consensus to be a good game, therefore, my statement is false.
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My opinion = I think
"I think that people from New Zealand all have three legs."
That's an opinion.
And why is Mass Effect a good game because the "general consensus" is that it is a good game? "General consensus" is the same as "a lot of people think" which is also the same as "alot of people's opinions are". And if were saying that the "majority's opinion" is in the right, I would just like to bring up the point that it was the "majority's opinion" that Jews were less than human circa 1936~1946.
Majority opinion (or general consensus as you put it) =/= Fact
in my professional opinion, your thread has bin hijacked, i blame rockyoumonkeys because he is clearly wrong based on the majority of people who speaking out in this thread atm, by majority rules i decree rockyoumonkeys is wrong. in tell that majority changes, than i am wrong.Just Pman said:Okay, can we seriously stop making this about race? Geez...
Gah...I'm tired and wasn't thinking when I voted. Can I change mine to this?Dango said:No, they can not. They can NOT be proven true or false, and they are completely made up.