Possibly. Depends how serious people take the trolling. It's not like folks can't shut their computer off and go do something else. It's why I've never understood cyberbullying. You have tools to block and filter what you don't like. And if someone is so easily offended, maybe the internet is not a place they should be.
Well if someone slanders your name in real life it's not like you can't ignore them. Online interaction has become part of social interaction. "Don't be a dickhead" should apply to the internet too, because while trolling assholes might not really offend me personally, they still might be reducing the quality of my online interactions by disrupting discussion or driving people off when I'd prefer they stick around.
Personally, I don't feel it can go too far. If one can be hurt that much by anonymous people on the internet, I don't have much pity for them. If one uses the internet enough to get trolled, one should know about trolls. If one posts a video on Youtube, they should know what the typical Youtube comments section looks like. If one wants to vent online, they should know people will disagree.
Obviously it can. What about Jessie Slaughter, or whatever her name was? Yeah she was being a complete idiot, but she's 12, of course she does dumb stuff. People trolled so much about that that it ruined her life. I don't know how anyone can say several hundred people relentlessly harrassing a 12 year old girl isn't going too far.
Not to mention, I'm pretty sure she got Stockholme syndrome from it. I mean I remember a video she made after the fact, being near enough 15?
It was uploaded by her friend, due to her having had her computer access taken away, practically thanking the people of the internet for doing all that crap, as it showed her what a dunce she'd been.
OT: I think if you're going to go onto the internet, and even ingratiate yourself into a community, just because of some deep desire to fuck with people and cause outrage, then clearly your life is in need of some serious reevaluation.
That said, ain't nothing wrong with a little humor, or messing with people for being idiots. But... if anyone here has ever seen the (once again) late Zeel's blog highlighting how much he thought of his trolling... yeah, people like that are pretty pathetic, really.
Any trolling is too much trolling in my opinion.
The anonymity of the internet has revealed the worst in (some) people. I think "don't be a jerk" should be rule 1 of the internet.
Whether or not a troll believes the crap they are spouting (recently such as crazy 'Beliebers heckling Patrick Carney with homophobic slurs) or just trying to get a rise out of people (you know, for the lulz) - either way it degrades the internet experience and makes me shed small tears for humanity!
Trolling can get out of hand, for sure. Most of it is harmless and people will get over it, but in some cases the troll is apparently a complete sociopath who doesn't know when to quit. This is especially bad if people actually support him/her as they do it. Case in point: #1 on this list. [http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-7-most-impressive-dick-moves-in-online-gaming-history_p2/]
It can if it directly interferes with someone elses life, but internet trolling is generally harmless. Especially since most trolls go away if you just ignore them.
There's also cases where internet trolling becauses so amazingly original and on such a large scale it becomes an art unto itself.
Well, define trolling.
For example, you can say that the Hutu trolled the Tutsi Epically in Rawanda 1994.
That is clearly too far
Also almost all forms of terrorism fit definitions of trolling.
But as for just posting stuff.
Well sticks and stones and all that.
User: greenbilly87
This movie had way too many minorities. More directors need to learn from icons like Herr M. Night Shyamalan and cast white people in all the important roles (shout-out to Jackson Rathbone who got snubbed in his supporting actor role as Sokka by the Academy). More minorities lead to a worse film. Yes the movie has ninjas, but hell people that?s what eyeliner is for, draw some lines to the outside of Mel Gibson?s eyes and boom you?ve got a samurai. Anyone see Man with the Iron Fists? Russell Crowe looks Chinese as sh*t in that movie. Eyeliner. That?s all it takes. This review got one thing right, and that?s the author?s response to RZA being cast in the movie: ?Just no.? Exactly, IGN, you guys get it. Just No. If you need musical talent in a movie, there is a plethora of non-minority artists to draw from like the kids in One Direction, Tim McGraw, Carrie Underwood, Justin Timberlake, and Will.I.am. It?s time to take cinema back to the silver screen era, back when you know you could go to movies without having all sorts of races shoved in your face like you?re in line at a Subway on Thanksgiving. Also, why does not one person point a finger at the Jews for 9/11? Oh, that?s right, because they run the media.
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This isn't trolling, it's a joke. It's a joke aimed at the people who think this way.
"Herr" was the first clue. The nail in the coffin was "If you need musical talent [...] non-minority artists [...] like the kids in One Direction [...]".
This is so obviously not a genuine post that it can't be trolling.
Trolling is much more subtle because its supposed to make you believe it.
For example, if you roll onto someone's facebook picture and say "omfg you're so fat" when they aren't fat at all, that isn't trolling.
If you roll onto someone's picture who is a little over weight and make a comment exaggerating their weight (I can't think of an example) when you don't feel that way to get a rise out of their friends, that is trolling.
Having an argument with someone when you're blatantly wrong, and pretending to think you're right, that's trolling; as soon as it's not convincing, it's either a poor troll, or a joke.
Can we agree to stop perpetuating the "cyber bullying is trolling" idea that the media has been putting out (at least in Australia). Trolling is much more than cyber bullying. Cyber bullying is crass and hurtful. Trolling is a art.
I was going to say don't you mean Stockholm Syndrome, but since you already corrected yourself, never mind. Anyway, yeah I guess it must be something like that.
Dude, did you read the post before saying that it went too far? It said Will.i.am (a black man) wasn't a minority artist.... and was talented. It's satire (and I thought it was quite funny as well), not trolling.
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mitchell271 said:
EDIT: Maybe the comment is satire, but satire is something that's hard to do right. Having minorities in everything really is a hot button topic for some people (although they're white, pure-bred 'Mericans mostly). If you're doing satire, you have to make it from a viewpoint that nobody has.
Is a statment I completely disagree with, (one form of) satire is when you make something so ridiculous to point out how idiotic someone's viewpoint is, which neccesitates taking the viewpoint you find ridiculous, as the comment did successfully. You can't make fun of a viewpoint noone has, as you're not making fun of anyone, and therefore not making a point (which is the ultimate reason for satire, making points via humour)
OT: Trolling itself can go too far, because there are instances where bullying/trolling/banter/whatever name you give it has led to people killing themeselves, and those cases (though rare) are clear evidence of something going too far (general life advice, if something leads to someone dying, it's gone too far).
I was going to say don't you mean Stockholm Syndrome, but since you already corrected yourself, never mind. Anyway, yeah I guess it must be something like that.
I was going to say don't you mean Stockholm Syndrome, but since you already corrected yourself, never mind. Anyway, yeah I guess it must be something like that.
EDIT: Maybe the comment is satire, satire is something that's hard to do right. Having minorities in everything really is a hot button topic for some people (although they're white, pure-bred 'Mericans mostly). If you're doing satire, you have no make it from a viewpoint that nobody has.
This is why Poe's Law has extended to apply to satire in so many areas other than just fundamentalism. Satire can be difficult or impossible to distinguish from the concept it is satirizing if no concrete indication of it being in jest is given(such as a smiley face or joking disclaimer).
Of course trolling can go too far. At some point it's just blatant harrassment. Then again, perhaps once it starts being harrassment of the legal sort it stops being trolling and starts being what it is. In which case trolling would be axiomatically incapable of going too far if it is a term relegated to a status just below extreme proportions (above which it is something else). But that would matter on definitionally or philosophically rather than functionally.
I'm not sure why the question is being asked aside. It's exactly like asking if running your mouth can go to far. The answer is it can get you dead in the street if you do it to the wrong person.
MeChaNiZ3D said:
But as to the comment you quote, I think that's a brilliant piece of satire actually.
For me trolling is just an excuse to justify or normalize what they are really doing, being a douchebag. It should never be socially acceptable to spew as much hate as people do.
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