Poll: Capitalism VS Communism VS Socialism
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Thanks, now you reminded me how to spell it I shall attempt to remember it! Hardcore capitilism works by (as already stated) convincing people that they need crap that they don't like new shoes and a pineapple slicer and shit like that.JMeganSnow said:
Communism:
Karl Marx The Communist Manifesto "Religion is the opium of the masses..." For real though when you think back to the Industrial Revolution then you will remember that this statement actually got people to work. When they were all tired, and almost dead all they had to do was remember that one line, and to know that the harder they worked the better it will be in heaven. It worked did it not?
Anarchy:
Is awful. Although a few of the things are good such as:
Taking away man made laws - Getting a license, taking away police, everyman for himself in a completely free society [not agreed]
Thinking that the Bill of Rights and the Constitution are sacred, and should be just as they are without the loop holes.
I don't agree with this because if you think the death rate due to gun control [or lack there of] in the USA is bad now, just think if anarchism took over then EVERYONE will have a gun. Then it really will be -
"Survival of the fittest" - Karl Marx
Socialism is the way to go!
Karl Marx The Communist Manifesto "Religion is the opium of the masses..." For real though when you think back to the Industrial Revolution then you will remember that this statement actually got people to work. When they were all tired, and almost dead all they had to do was remember that one line, and to know that the harder they worked the better it will be in heaven. It worked did it not?
Anarchy:
Is awful. Although a few of the things are good such as:
Taking away man made laws - Getting a license, taking away police, everyman for himself in a completely free society [not agreed]
Thinking that the Bill of Rights and the Constitution are sacred, and should be just as they are without the loop holes.
I don't agree with this because if you think the death rate due to gun control [or lack there of] in the USA is bad now, just think if anarchism took over then EVERYONE will have a gun. Then it really will be -
"Survival of the fittest" - Karl Marx
Socialism is the way to go!
Survival of the fittest isn't a bad thing. Cleansing of the genepool, the best of the best survive to form the new world order. I sound like a Nazi right now, don't I?Gothic Novel said:
That's basically the philosophy I adopt. If I become any more jaded, though, it's anarchy for me.PatientGrasshopper said:
Capitalism , let me explain .
There are greedy people , these greedy people will want to make money , but to do that , they will have hire people and provide a service , thus creating jobs . As these people's compaines grow they will have to compete , thus creating technological advancement as they try to make their product/service better than the competitions. The small man , in turn , is payed to do his job , earning money which he can spend to further the economy. The people with the power will become leader , and the world NEEDS leaders , so in the end everyone is happy .
Also, smarter people get payed more , so it encourages people to be smart .
There are greedy people , these greedy people will want to make money , but to do that , they will have hire people and provide a service , thus creating jobs . As these people's compaines grow they will have to compete , thus creating technological advancement as they try to make their product/service better than the competitions. The small man , in turn , is payed to do his job , earning money which he can spend to further the economy. The people with the power will become leader , and the world NEEDS leaders , so in the end everyone is happy .
Also, smarter people get payed more , so it encourages people to be smart .
The sneaky penguin proudly votes capitalism. It is the system that motivates me to be better than all the slackers out there. It rewards risk, it rewards foresight and hard work. So basically it's most beneficial to me financially and in freedom. But I suppose if all you wanna do is work your 40-50 hours a week then having a paternalistic government would be handy as you have to take very little responsibility for your own life. Then socialism would be a better choice.
I think you completely missed my point. People used to think that it was human nature for females to have less value and for slaves to be slaves. Psychology still has A LOT to explain before we can be certain what is the "true nature" of humans. Is it Tabula Rasa?PatientGrasshopper said:
I have a German friend who spells it Laissez-scheisse. Are Frenchies brave enough to attack big mighty Germany?JMeganSnow said:
Yeah that model works on simple cases, if only world would be so simple...Phantom2595 said:
As for smart = more money I gotta disagree. First there is no easy way to quantify smartness. Secondly capitalism mostly rewards only few kinds of intelligence, not the artistic intelligence, not writing intelligence just business intelligence (for example in my country most writers cant live without government help no matter how good they are because too little markets for books). Thirdly the assumption that smart people even want to make more money is faulty.
You have no idea what you're talking about! Socialism is nothing like Facism at all! Which part of any aspect of the USSR, China or Cuba is like Facism?!artician said:
Socialsim, in it's purest form, is about looking after each other. Everyone working together to make it better for each other. Fifty years of blind panic about USSR has perverted a lot of peoples views about left-leaning politics.
Yes, we know our system is broken. It's a political football for those of the right wing to try to preserve for whatever god-awful reason.Dele said:
If nothing else good comes from Obama, I would support him if he fixed this one fact.
But, on the other hand, it's not something you just fix. if you get rid of all that insurance system, you remove thousands of current jobs. We have to find places for those people too.
As to your second point about the military, 1. Why? 2. If they reinstate the draft, there will be riots. I know. I'll be starting them.
Communism doesn't work on large scales and socialism is such a loaded, broad and misunderstood term that there is no point in mentioning it in any argument. I myself prefer the capital system of Western Europe.
But there is definitely a better system that's yet to be discovered, what does make me facepalm is how zealous some people are about pure capitalism like its the perfect system devoid of any flaws.
One myth I hate about capitalism and all other forms of economic system is the idea that hard work is what makes people rich and that poor people are lazy.
This is just a flat out lie, I've never ever worked hard at any job because I realised at a young age you don't have to and its helped me enjoy a comfortable life so far. To be successful in life you need to know how to exploit other people's hard work, to do this though you need good social skills. The kind that salesman, marketers and politicians use to influence people to do what they want.
Also poor people are the hardest workers in a capitalist society, they struggle on the poverty line working the crappiest jobs for stupid long hours, the reason they are poor though is that they don't work "smart", just hard. In other words if you work an 80 hour week you're doing it wrong.
Another fun myth is there are no masters and slaves and that everyone is free in a capitalist society. This is plain bullshit, the masters are the capital owning class, and the slaves are... well the wage slaves. This is because the capital class owns the land and all resources that support life, the wage slaves don't.
If the wage slaves don't work for the capital class they will starve, because they can't grow there own food for lack of land, they have to buy it off the capital classes. So really only the capital class who form a small percentage of the population actually have any true freedom, the rest are in constant servitude to these elite.
I could go on and on about the other problems with Capitalism but I don't need to because its the governments task to solve them. Thus we end up with the systems we have to day because it more or less works.
But there is definitely a better system that's yet to be discovered, what does make me facepalm is how zealous some people are about pure capitalism like its the perfect system devoid of any flaws.
One myth I hate about capitalism and all other forms of economic system is the idea that hard work is what makes people rich and that poor people are lazy.
This is just a flat out lie, I've never ever worked hard at any job because I realised at a young age you don't have to and its helped me enjoy a comfortable life so far. To be successful in life you need to know how to exploit other people's hard work, to do this though you need good social skills. The kind that salesman, marketers and politicians use to influence people to do what they want.
Also poor people are the hardest workers in a capitalist society, they struggle on the poverty line working the crappiest jobs for stupid long hours, the reason they are poor though is that they don't work "smart", just hard. In other words if you work an 80 hour week you're doing it wrong.
Another fun myth is there are no masters and slaves and that everyone is free in a capitalist society. This is plain bullshit, the masters are the capital owning class, and the slaves are... well the wage slaves. This is because the capital class owns the land and all resources that support life, the wage slaves don't.
If the wage slaves don't work for the capital class they will starve, because they can't grow there own food for lack of land, they have to buy it off the capital classes. So really only the capital class who form a small percentage of the population actually have any true freedom, the rest are in constant servitude to these elite.
I could go on and on about the other problems with Capitalism but I don't need to because its the governments task to solve them. Thus we end up with the systems we have to day because it more or less works.
Socialism: "A word with a wide variety of meanings." (New Fontana dicionary of thought).
Socialism is losely defined as communal ownership of all means of production. This can range from anything from full-blown communist to a British or European system of government whereby the government ensures a certain standard of provision.
And to all those Capitalism fanboys: If you can't have a business now, you won't have one under capitalism. Why?
Because if the pure-market ideal comes through (and Ayn Rand returns from the dead to lead us hand in hand with Hobbes to a magical land of fairies and talking fruitrees) then there will be absurd amounts of competition, and you, being obviously unable to run a business now, will certainly be unable to run one later. If you have one now, then odds are you'll shut down quite quickly, or simply spend the next 9/10th of your life fighting off all your competitiors.
By the way ladies and gents? Thats' the good ending.
What has happened throughout history has been the formation of a succesion of olgiopolies and monopolies that tended towards...you guessed it.....ineffective production AND screwing the working man! Just like communism, only with inferior propaganda!
Examples: JD Rockefeller, Standard oil.
Another company that had the gall to pay it's workers in it's own currency, which could only be spent at the factory (American Centuary)
More odious shit.
Don't beleive the Marxists. Don't beleive the Randists. They're both extremists, and they're both wrong. Both have had their time in history, and bothgot corrupted, in the Marxist case with Stalinism/Leninism, in Hobbes's case with the 1890s monopolies and the 1700's monopolies.
Interestingly, it was a communist state that played the biggest part in defeating the Nazi war machine. And god help you if you make the arrogant quip 'But America wasn't communist'. Russia tied up the most German divisions, killed and lost the most men, and took back the most ground.
Russia could, theoretically have won the war against the Nazis by itself. By about 1947, but it would have won. Monty and Eisenhower would have never gotten through the Atlantic wall if Stalin had been defeated.
Historians conclusion: The left wins...
Socialism is losely defined as communal ownership of all means of production. This can range from anything from full-blown communist to a British or European system of government whereby the government ensures a certain standard of provision.
And to all those Capitalism fanboys: If you can't have a business now, you won't have one under capitalism. Why?
Because if the pure-market ideal comes through (and Ayn Rand returns from the dead to lead us hand in hand with Hobbes to a magical land of fairies and talking fruitrees) then there will be absurd amounts of competition, and you, being obviously unable to run a business now, will certainly be unable to run one later. If you have one now, then odds are you'll shut down quite quickly, or simply spend the next 9/10th of your life fighting off all your competitiors.
By the way ladies and gents? Thats' the good ending.
What has happened throughout history has been the formation of a succesion of olgiopolies and monopolies that tended towards...you guessed it.....ineffective production AND screwing the working man! Just like communism, only with inferior propaganda!
Examples: JD Rockefeller, Standard oil.
Another company that had the gall to pay it's workers in it's own currency, which could only be spent at the factory (American Centuary)
More odious shit.
Don't beleive the Marxists. Don't beleive the Randists. They're both extremists, and they're both wrong. Both have had their time in history, and bothgot corrupted, in the Marxist case with Stalinism/Leninism, in Hobbes's case with the 1890s monopolies and the 1700's monopolies.
Interestingly, it was a communist state that played the biggest part in defeating the Nazi war machine. And god help you if you make the arrogant quip 'But America wasn't communist'. Russia tied up the most German divisions, killed and lost the most men, and took back the most ground.
Russia could, theoretically have won the war against the Nazis by itself. By about 1947, but it would have won. Monty and Eisenhower would have never gotten through the Atlantic wall if Stalin had been defeated.
Historians conclusion: The left wins...