Deal with it ? Deal with it ?
Sir, i'm a human being not an ant. I'll live for only a few decades which is relatively short time compared to let's say age of mountains. Few decades more, after my body will become food for worms nobody will remember that i lived or care what i said or did. With that in mind, i don't think i need to resign from expressing what i feel is right or wrong especially if i have some plausible (i hope) arguments backing my attitude, just for the sake of mantaining some status quo.
Because secretly in my heart of hearts I like a good heated discussion.
JesterRaiin said:
Kind sirs, could you direct me to any comic book not based on the movie depicting Heimdall as black ? I'll apologise immediately afterwards. Also i'll change my avatar to black Heimdall for a month or so.
But my point is that he doesn't have to have been black in the comics. The films are set in a different universes, and as far as I'm concerned they can change the race of any character if it doesn't drastically alter their backstory. Nothing changed his character in the movie at all because he was black. They make tonnes of other changes all the time, but we roll with them because they actually improve the movie. The Red Skull wasn't the first person to get the super serum, Stane was never Tony Stark's friend, but they were all added to the movie, and they worked, just like Heimdall did.
Sir, i'm a human being not an ant. I'll live for only a few decades which is relatively short time compared to let's say age of mountains. Few decades more, after my body will become food for worms nobody will remember that i lived or care what i said or did. With that in mind, i don't think i need to resign from expressing what i feel is right or wrong especially if i have some plausible (i hope) arguments backing my attitude, just for the sake of mantaining some status quo.
I understand the silly - but long before you even need Rogaine or Ensure, Thor will be a forgotten film, let alone it's supporting cast. Take that thought as at least a mild balm for your soul.
Kind sirs, could you direct me to any comic book not based on the movie depicting Heimdall as black ? I'll apologise immediately afterwards. Also i'll change my avatar to black Heimdall for a month or so.
But my point is that he doesn't have to have been black in the comics. The films are set in a different universes, and as far as I'm concerned they can change the race of any character if it doesn't drastically alter their backstory. Nothing changed his character in the movie at all because he was black. They make tonnes of other changes all the time, but we roll with them because they actually improve the movie. The Red Skull wasn't the first person to get the super serum, Stane was never Tony Stark's friend, but they were all added to the movie, and they worked, just like Heimdall did.
That's your point of view.
You're free to explain pretty much every move of producers, call it "alterante version" or "interpretation". I'm different, i perceive some things as more important than other and changing Heimdalls skin color is for me like adding pair of big, bouncing tits to Captain's America chest, turning Hulk into pink dwarf or exchanging villain-vigilant roles between Batman and Joker without any explanation and without any purpose.
(Actually that last part was done once, and it was shocking, yet fascinating story but that's irrelevant).
I'm 100% open to creative interpretation as such. I'm not against Aliens spin off void of alien creatures or Iron Man wearing armor resembling Batman's cape. I was interested with Robin Hood movie with Russel Crow presenting our favorite dogooder as evil (it didn't happen, but still). Damn, i was quite ok with Indian interpretation of Godfather in form of "Sarkar" movie.
Yet, at the same time i simply can't accept every change especially if it serves NO PURPOSE at all isn't backed by ANY ARGUMENT, that was done "just like that, deal with it". I have my objections with Heimdall being black, i can't stand the mask and pimpish coat of Bane in upcoming Batman movie, i think that choice of actor depicting Vader in prequels of Star Wars was, and still is beyond redemption and so oon, so on, so on. Nothing can be done about it.
"It's simple as that, deal with it".
Marmooset said:
JesterRaiin said:
Sir, i'm a human being not an ant. I'll live for only a few decades which is relatively short time compared to let's say age of mountains. Few decades more, after my body will become food for worms nobody will remember that i lived or care what i said or did. With that in mind, i don't think i need to resign from expressing what i feel is right or wrong especially if i have some plausible (i hope) arguments backing my attitude, just for the sake of mantaining some status quo.
I understand the silly - but long before you even need Rogaine or Ensure, Thor will be a forgotten film, let alone it's supporting cast. Take that thought as at least a mild balm for your soul.
True. That's comforting and thanks for that.
Yet, for producers it's another step into direction "we can do whatever we want, screw the continuity, screw being true to the original, and screw the public". I don't want to see another Batman reboot with for example some pu*y like future Bieber playing the role of Brucina Wayne. :|
Suddenly i've become a newer, better person ! Yet i must warn you, even now there's a capsule flying through cold cosmos towards the Earth and inside of it sleeps even bigger, stronger and meaner monster than i used to be. We have a year to prepare ourselves for upcoming battle ! ;D
Seeing that superhero movies have become popular and also very profitable, it's only natural as many studios as possible want a piece of the action. The end result isn't always good. But fortunately the Marvel movies are all awesome. And I really have no idea why. I seriously thought Hollywood would fuck it up, turning every or at least some movie into a cash cow garbage ala Transformers. But no, through sheer divine intervention all Marvel movies are awesome.
Now now Hollywood, you need to make 1 more awesome movie: The Avengers. Please be as good as the other Marvel movies. Or else I am going to take Thor's hammer and shove it up your ass so deep, you'll be sneezing thunderbolts for the rest of your live.
They are not all reboots, so you question is invalid... Just kidding, but yeah Iron Man: Not a reboot, and neither is Thor.
I like them all, they are different, but also the best super hero movies to date, because they keep very true to the source material.
4RM3D said:
Seeing that superhero movies have become popular and also very profitable, it's only natural as many studios as possible want a piece of the action. The end result isn't always good. But fortunately the Marvel movies are all awesome. And I really have no idea why. I seriously thought Hollywood would fuck it up, turning every or at least some movie into a cash cow garbage ala Transformers. But no, through sheer divine intervention all Marvel movies are awesome.
Now now Hollywood, you need to make 1 more awesome movie: The Avengers. Please be as good as the other Marvel movies. Or else I am going to take Thor's hammer and shove it up your ass so deep, you'll be sneezing thunderbolts for the rest of your live.
Agreed, weirdsoup, I thought we were over this "ZOMG Heimdall isn't black!". Also Thor's a redhead. Also Nick Fury is black now too, you don't see fans going off on one about that.
Ultimate Nick Fury is black since 2001 . But yeah, I actually like the Heimdall from the movie, the actor played it quite good. Why should I be upset about the skincolour? (But to be honest, when I first read about the cast this was actually a thing I didn't like. But then I saw the movie)
On Topic: Hard call... I'd vote for Thor and Iron Man 2 but just because I like the supporting cast in both a little bit more.
True he's been black for a while. But I'll always remember the white Fury from the early 90's Spiderman Cartoons. Not that I care, ol' Sam L makes a kickass Fury. And the sooner they do his stand-alone film the better.
What can i say ? I'm not that easy to neither forget nor to forgive. Then again, why are you answering at all if you know that it risks flamewar ?
WolfThomas said:
JesterRaiin said:
...while on the other hand there's no account of any Nordic God being different than your typical Asgardian white ubermensch. I'd understand and accept Loki the Trickster being portrayed by practically anybody, be it white, yellow, black or pale green with shiny, sparkling freckles. Heimdall ? Nope. Big Nope.
I'll answer both of you at once :
Kind sirs, could you direct me to any comic book not based on the movie depicting Heimdall as black ? I'll apologise immediately afterwards. Also i'll change my avatar to black Heimdall for a month or so.
TheKasp said:
But yeah, I actually like the Heimdall from the movie, the actor played it quite good.
So far, I have both Captain America and Iron Man at a tie. Haven't seen Thor yet, and The Incredible Hulk is way, way below the other two (three if you count Iron Man 2).
For me, it's a tie between Captain America and Iron Man.
Captain America because he's the little boy from Brooklyn that could and became the American Super Soldier that stands for everything that is right and just with America.
Iron Man (or more specifically Tony Stark) has no super powers of his own and relies on his genius intellect to get through every situation that he is confronted with. This also allows him to develop new suits that will stand up to super powered opponents and defeating them by exposing their weaknesses and/or using their own strengths against them.
Movie wise, Captain America is by far the best. Ironman, Hulk and Thor follow in that order.
I can't put my finger on why, but Thor absolutely bored the hell out of me. I should probably watch it again, and I probably will as I have the intention of having all the superhero films on Blu-Ray (one of the few genres I feel benefits from the extra resolution), but with so many other things to watch when I find the time I'm feeling it hard to motivate myself to do so.
As a character, Ironman is my favourite. Nothing in my eyes is more appealing than pseudo-realistic super science, mainly due to the fact that it is plausible in it's arguments to exist. The other superheroes really don't have a single toe grounded, whereas Ironman can really draw you in, owing to it's foothold in reality.
Although that will completely change when Downey starts hi-fiving an eighty year old super soldier and the jolly green giant.
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