Poll: Cell/Mobile Phone Cancer - What a Surprise.
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Yeah, the amount of carcinogens we take in on a regular basis is shocking. Remember when bromine used to be a handwash in labs, because it was a great non-polar solvent? That quickly ceased when we found out it caused melanoma.Jamboxdotcom said:
However, the food additives and hormones that can increase the risk of cancer are still around, and being consumed daily.
Phones are the least of our worries.
You know what else can give you cancer? Salt. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it (and also probably get cancer from that as well)Dulcinea said:
Basically everything gives you cancer if you get enough. Hell the sun itself can give you cancer, and yet people have been living cancer free for thousands of years. Its only when you tan 8 hours a day that it becomes bad for you.
I believe cell phones would be the same way, and besides, they're not our only source of microradiation (is that a word?) talk on them for hours and hours and something is bound to happen. For example, your microwave probably puts out more radiation in a few minutes than your cell phone does all month. Not to mention any other electronic device like MP3 players or game systems which I've heard can put off a tiny amount of radiation as well (not so sure about that though)
they do cause problems but I don't remember the name of the article I read it in. But it had science.
Then there's this: [link]http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100106193217.htm[/link]GonzoGamer said:
There's no doubt it has "an effect," but what that effect is and how it can be used is still fertile ground for research. The jury is far from out.
So you're going from the WHO's announcement that cellphones might cause cancer to cellphones do cause cancer, and you're implying anyone who (correctly) thinks the findings are largely inconclusive is an idiot?
Also, the poll's terrible. Why bother having a poll if you're going to slant every single option in favor of your opinion?
Also, the poll's terrible. Why bother having a poll if you're going to slant every single option in favor of your opinion?
The title of the first link posted says it all.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/05/31/who.cell.phones/index.html?hpt=he_t1
WHO: Cell phone use can increase possible cancer risk
Translation: We are scared of technology and think it must do something bad to us.
Fave quote: "What microwave radiation does in most simplistic terms is similar to what happens to food in microwaves, essentially cooking the brain," Black said
Microwaves dont cook food, they generate heat by emitting waves that make water particles rotate, generating heat through this movement.
It takes a crapload of microwaves to do this to the point where it generates enough heat to cook anything.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven
So the guy is trying to equate something like sitting next to a fire with running into a burning building.
Are cellphones bad for us, well we dont truly know, those with a tech paranoia certainly have been trying to tell us that tech is bad for us for decades, maybe even centuries, sometimes they are right, for instance I hear the early CRTs emitted a hefty amount of gamma radiation. The issue is how much face value do we give their constant nagging
http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/05/31/who.cell.phones/index.html?hpt=he_t1
WHO: Cell phone use can increase possible cancer risk
Translation: We are scared of technology and think it must do something bad to us.
Fave quote: "What microwave radiation does in most simplistic terms is similar to what happens to food in microwaves, essentially cooking the brain," Black said
Microwaves dont cook food, they generate heat by emitting waves that make water particles rotate, generating heat through this movement.
It takes a crapload of microwaves to do this to the point where it generates enough heat to cook anything.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven
So the guy is trying to equate something like sitting next to a fire with running into a burning building.
Are cellphones bad for us, well we dont truly know, those with a tech paranoia certainly have been trying to tell us that tech is bad for us for decades, maybe even centuries, sometimes they are right, for instance I hear the early CRTs emitted a hefty amount of gamma radiation. The issue is how much face value do we give their constant nagging
I am a radio engineer you are wrong.
Your phone does not use microwave band which is 110-140Ghz. It is used in the comms industry but only for narrow band point to point links between distribution sites. You have to aim those suckers with a laser because the beam is so narrow. This is not what comes out of your phone, that's one of around 800 NON-IONISING frequencies. Does not have the energy required to remove electrons, does not alter your atoms, DOES NOT CAUSE CANCER!
Even if it did microwaves are non-ionising, all that would happen is that anything with a high water content would eventually heat up.
You are in far more danger going out without sunscreen on.
Sorry if I sound pissed, its not the first time I've had to explain this.
Your phone does not use microwave band which is 110-140Ghz. It is used in the comms industry but only for narrow band point to point links between distribution sites. You have to aim those suckers with a laser because the beam is so narrow. This is not what comes out of your phone, that's one of around 800 NON-IONISING frequencies. Does not have the energy required to remove electrons, does not alter your atoms, DOES NOT CAUSE CANCER!
Even if it did microwaves are non-ionising, all that would happen is that anything with a high water content would eventually heat up.
You are in far more danger going out without sunscreen on.
Sorry if I sound pissed, its not the first time I've had to explain this.
Hmm, interesting if you're trying to cause a panic.
WHO and your risks [http://www.boingboing.net/2011/06/01/the-risk-of-cell-pho.html]
WHO and your risks [http://www.boingboing.net/2011/06/01/the-risk-of-cell-pho.html]
No... just no. There are many things that are a hell of a lot more likely to give you cancer than a cellphone. The amount of radiation that you receive from a cellphone is negligible.
This.Dulcinea said:
Also, an important distinction for those of you who don't know much about radiation, microwaves cannot damage DNA proteins directly the way certain types of <url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionizing_radiation>ionizing radiation can. In other words, talking on a cell phone isn't the same as irradiating the side of your head with a block of uranium. Microwaves don't have enough energy to be able to disrupt molecules directly like x-rays and gamma rays do. In fact if you look at the
http://www.kollewin.com/EX/09-15-03/electromagnetic-spectrum.jpg
microwaves are even lower-frequency (and therefore, even lower energy) than visible light. You don't start getting into "radiation that causes cancer" territory until you hit the ultraviolet wavelengths.
Now, that doesn't mean cell phones couldn't cause cancer through some kind of secondary effect. There might be cell damage caused by microwave heating that can result in cancer, or maybe the microwave exposure causes some normally benign substance in the head to become carcinogenic. Still, I doubt cell phone use will ever be strongly linked to an increased cancer risk.
My advice is, if you're that worried about it, get yourself a headset and keep the phone in your pocket. Otherwise, just shut up and stop panicking every time someone tells you you're going to die.
I chose the deathray option, for the lulz.
But seriously it would not surprise me in the least, I tend to be suspicious of all my tech, for example I am certain that my toaster oven is openly plotting my death. I would prolly be Amish, if I was not so damn lazy.
But seriously it would not surprise me in the least, I tend to be suspicious of all my tech, for example I am certain that my toaster oven is openly plotting my death. I would prolly be Amish, if I was not so damn lazy.
every thing does indeed causes cancer, a few years ago there was a study that showed orange juice causes cancer, its juice ffs.TiefBlau said: