Poll: Censorship: Is it to blame?
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what do you mean a slip? people speak their minds more now? movies are violent? what's this Slip? what I see is a society that is slowly become less scared to say what it wants. a media that doesn't just want to cater to one group and a complete lack of parenting
I'm not quite following you. Are you asking if the deterioration of society is due to a recent decrease in censorship?
If so, I would have to point out that censorship, in general, is higher now than it was in the past.
And I do think that some of the deterioration of society is due, in part, to that INCREASE in censorship.
Why?
Because when people rely on the goverment to tell them what is and is not appropriate, personal responsibility drops. Lack of personal responsibility leads to bad parenting, financial irresponsibility, criminal behavior, and a bloated sense of entitlement just to name a few.
Of course there is a chicken and the egg question here. Did the censorship lead to lack of personal responsibility, or did lack of personal responsibility lead to censorship???
If so, I would have to point out that censorship, in general, is higher now than it was in the past.
And I do think that some of the deterioration of society is due, in part, to that INCREASE in censorship.
Why?
Because when people rely on the goverment to tell them what is and is not appropriate, personal responsibility drops. Lack of personal responsibility leads to bad parenting, financial irresponsibility, criminal behavior, and a bloated sense of entitlement just to name a few.
Of course there is a chicken and the egg question here. Did the censorship lead to lack of personal responsibility, or did lack of personal responsibility lead to censorship???
Common sense has slipped not Censorship, we now live in a horrific society where no one is to blame for anything. Gordon Brown put it best "I have to take complete responsibility and as such have fired the person responsible."
We are always seeking to play the blame game rather than taking ownership of our mistakes. Parents dont read to their children and then blame the schools when there kids end up in special ed, if the kids act up it's chemical time. They have ADD and not INOAGH (In Need Of A Good Hiding!)
But then again there is no way of changing this downward slide, we are on a fast sled ride to hell and the only thing to do is scream if we want to go faster and at the end sue the sled company for improper Health and safety assesment.
We are always seeking to play the blame game rather than taking ownership of our mistakes. Parents dont read to their children and then blame the schools when there kids end up in special ed, if the kids act up it's chemical time. They have ADD and not INOAGH (In Need Of A Good Hiding!)
But then again there is no way of changing this downward slide, we are on a fast sled ride to hell and the only thing to do is scream if we want to go faster and at the end sue the sled company for improper Health and safety assesment.
Let me be the first to say it:
Here's to an increase in media, a decrease in government, and a total lack of parental oversight.
Society does not get better or worse. It does not "slip," it does not "deteriorate," nor does it improve or ascend. Society is an extension of mankind, and mankind does not change. While the form of society may change, while the laws and proprieties may evolve, while the mindset of a populous may mutate, the fact is that it is still the same society. To claim a substantive change in what is essentially simply a projection of the common threads in mankind is to deny the basic essence of what it is to be human.
It may be uncomfortable to think about, but we will never change. We have defeated natural selection, and our instincts are set in stone. Until we begin to consciously tamper with the fabric of genetics, this is it, folks. Get used to it and quit forcing yourselves to think of society as a morphous or even (in the case of the truly naive) changeable object. Humanity has reached its point of permanence, and the sooner we admit that and quit attempting to apply qualitative measures to things which do not benefit from them the sooner we can begin accomplishing something within the system we are a part of.
Here's to an increase in media, a decrease in government, and a total lack of parental oversight.
Society does not get better or worse. It does not "slip," it does not "deteriorate," nor does it improve or ascend. Society is an extension of mankind, and mankind does not change. While the form of society may change, while the laws and proprieties may evolve, while the mindset of a populous may mutate, the fact is that it is still the same society. To claim a substantive change in what is essentially simply a projection of the common threads in mankind is to deny the basic essence of what it is to be human.
It may be uncomfortable to think about, but we will never change. We have defeated natural selection, and our instincts are set in stone. Until we begin to consciously tamper with the fabric of genetics, this is it, folks. Get used to it and quit forcing yourselves to think of society as a morphous or even (in the case of the truly naive) changeable object. Humanity has reached its point of permanence, and the sooner we admit that and quit attempting to apply qualitative measures to things which do not benefit from them the sooner we can begin accomplishing something within the system we are a part of.
The censorship modifications are the result of social opinion change, not the cause. It's basic logic, if event A proceeds event B, then event A could not have been caused by B.
The relaxing of previous social trends is actually a two-edged sword. It may seem to allow violence and course language.. but it has also given social acceptance for feminism and homosexuality.
Don't be too quick to shoot it down.
The relaxing of previous social trends is actually a two-edged sword. It may seem to allow violence and course language.. but it has also given social acceptance for feminism and homosexuality.
Don't be too quick to shoot it down.
I think censorship is to blame but not for the reason that you think. By limiting something to be for 18+ you are bringing attention to it. Then kids want it. If you don't bring attention to it then people will pass over it and not notice. Censorship has good intention but a bad execution.
Think about it with music. By putting the thing on the front of a CD saying "Parent Advisory" you are bringing attention to it and it is going to become more interesting to a kid looking through CDs. They will find a way to listen to what's on the disk (most likely YouTube) and are now being exposed to it. By removing the parental advisory it doesn't draw attention to itself and someone who isn't looking for it won't find it.
Think about it with music. By putting the thing on the front of a CD saying "Parent Advisory" you are bringing attention to it and it is going to become more interesting to a kid looking through CDs. They will find a way to listen to what's on the disk (most likely YouTube) and are now being exposed to it. By removing the parental advisory it doesn't draw attention to itself and someone who isn't looking for it won't find it.
When did that happen? As far as I can remember The Terminator has always been a 15, 2 was an 18 whilst 3 was a 12 (but was also shit).thedelightfulme said:
I think the idea that society is 'slipping' is both greatly overstated and usually wrong, a quick look through the history books will show you 5000+ years of murders, famines, rioting, racism, persecution and all the other things Humans hold dear.
Since we now live in a world of instant global communication, you certainly see it happening more, but that doesn't mean it's happening any more or any worse.
Increasing censorship doesn't improve anything, it just makes more people criminals even though they are doing nothing wrong.
Censorship may have laxed a bit in the last couple of years, in SOME cases, but it used to be way less extreme even 50 years ago. Look up a guy called Cecil B. Demille or even J. Gordan Edwards. These guys were making films back in the day when censorship in film didn't even exist.
This is another one of those cases where people are completely backwards about the truth. Kids are way more sheltered then they used to be, The "Good Ol' Days" are a blatant myth, and censorship is pretty much the same as it's ever been. People need to do more research before they say that things like this.
This is another one of those cases where people are completely backwards about the truth. Kids are way more sheltered then they used to be, The "Good Ol' Days" are a blatant myth, and censorship is pretty much the same as it's ever been. People need to do more research before they say that things like this.
I have to say censorship does seem a bit inconsistent at times...for example if violence occurs and it is deemed 'fantasy', you can get away with a lot more gore...
Parents should freaking PARENT, it's not the media's job to raise a child and the sooner people realize this the sooner the world will be a bit less stressful.
this, I agree that censorship is bad, but it's not the reason for the decline in society. movies or film, whatever, should not be censored as it will not properly display that maker/artist's intent. If parents don't want their children to watch a certain program then DON'T ALLOW THEM TO WATCH IT.TheTygerfire said:
Censorship in anyway is, has, and always will be futile. Not allowing people to have something only increases their need to have it.
I have too many opinions on this matter.
One of my biggest concerns is nudity. In movies, you can show as much blood and gore and violence and horror as you please, but as soon as you show an INCH of boobs or what not, the movie gets turned into rated R or the movie becomes some big critics festival.
Fuck the mainstream world these days. It's not just censorship that's ruining this world, it's parents, the media, celebs, politics, it's virtually everything.
One of my biggest concerns is nudity. In movies, you can show as much blood and gore and violence and horror as you please, but as soon as you show an INCH of boobs or what not, the movie gets turned into rated R or the movie becomes some big critics festival.
Fuck the mainstream world these days. It's not just censorship that's ruining this world, it's parents, the media, celebs, politics, it's virtually everything.
The topic creator is from the UK. Maybe not so much in America, but in the UK I can see an obvious slip in society. Everyone can.thedelightfulme said:
A 15 yr old raped a woman a short walk from my home. The police even questioned me about it. A 15 yr old, what the hell.
I kids do that to you then it's your own fault for not retaliating, it may be a form of "monkey see, monkey do" when they first learn the actions but not challanging them and telling them it is wrong when they carry them out is more the problem.thedelightfulme said:
I can't speak about what the censorship is like in the European countries, but, I can talk about what it's like here in America; that being primarily the silly after affects of a Protestant past (and an Evangelical uprising) and a healthy dose of the conclusion that media has powerful negative influence with no sufficient evidence.
The censorship of words is more rediculous than anything else, last time I checked, any American movie which says "fuck" once is instantly PG-13, if the movie says "fuck" more than once it is instantly rated R. Why is this? Because of a silly unsubstantiated fear that "bad" words will have a negative influence. The idea of "bad" words is rediculous to start with, the only reason they're bad is because someone at some point in history arbitrarily decided that they were bad. There are some exceptions of course, racially and sexually derogatory terms, as well as some others are bad for a reason, but there's no reason that "fuck" should be a bad word.
Bigger issues here in America are sex and violence. Many Americans don't even realize that there is a rating called NC-17 (this is the modern equivalent of the X rating) the reason for this is that with exception to porn movies, the NC-17 rating is an absolute death sentance for any movie. The problem, of course, is that this DOES ultimately restrict artistic expression. I am a big fan of horror movies, and I know this genre is frequently restricted in what it is able to show because of the ratings system. Some are fighting it, of course, even some names some of you might recognize. Eli Roth (Hostel), James Wan (Saw), Rob Zombie (The Devils Rejects), and Quentin Tarantino (So many famous movies I can't even begin to list them off) are part of a group that calls themselves the 'splat pack,' and actively campaign against the NC-17 rating. It would be nice to see more people jump on board with the hope of creating freer artistic expression.
The censorship of words is more rediculous than anything else, last time I checked, any American movie which says "fuck" once is instantly PG-13, if the movie says "fuck" more than once it is instantly rated R. Why is this? Because of a silly unsubstantiated fear that "bad" words will have a negative influence. The idea of "bad" words is rediculous to start with, the only reason they're bad is because someone at some point in history arbitrarily decided that they were bad. There are some exceptions of course, racially and sexually derogatory terms, as well as some others are bad for a reason, but there's no reason that "fuck" should be a bad word.
Bigger issues here in America are sex and violence. Many Americans don't even realize that there is a rating called NC-17 (this is the modern equivalent of the X rating) the reason for this is that with exception to porn movies, the NC-17 rating is an absolute death sentance for any movie. The problem, of course, is that this DOES ultimately restrict artistic expression. I am a big fan of horror movies, and I know this genre is frequently restricted in what it is able to show because of the ratings system. Some are fighting it, of course, even some names some of you might recognize. Eli Roth (Hostel), James Wan (Saw), Rob Zombie (The Devils Rejects), and Quentin Tarantino (So many famous movies I can't even begin to list them off) are part of a group that calls themselves the 'splat pack,' and actively campaign against the NC-17 rating. It would be nice to see more people jump on board with the hope of creating freer artistic expression.