Poll: Censorship: Is it to blame?

[JemJar]

So, i recently was talking to someone who said the recent slip in society could actually be to do with the slip in the censorship.

What do you mean by "recent slip in society"?

I concur.

What is this 'slip in society' you speak of?

So, i recently was talking to someone who said the recent slip in society could actually be to do with the slip in the censorship.
For example, when terminator first came out, it was an 18, and now it s a 12.
Things like having the "f" word in 12a's.

What do you think?

What is this 'slip' in society you are talking about?

Okay, people really need to understand that the "slip" in society is very real, even if it is a poor choice of phrase.

I'm based in the UK and happen to know a large number of school teachers (it gets upsetting when most of your friends join "the enemy") and the change in discipline is shocking.

Let's be honest, it doesn't actually matter if people swear, it's just a word and it's stupid. But the concept of teachers genuinely being at risk of physical abuse and violence from their pupils is a very new one. I've got a friend who came home from school one day with bruises and bite marks from some scrote who laid into him - the kid got suspended, the parents hardly gave a damn and he returned to school looking smug.

I don't think censorship becoming more lax can be described as the key factor in this erosion of mutual respect in society but I can't accept any claim it's helping.

Controversial as it is, the more time I spend with my teacher friends the more I'd like to see a return of corporal punishment (caning etc) to the classroom.

 

[Agayek]

Parents not their children. /thread

What this guy said.

Edit:
The whole idea behind censorship is what is ruining our society, in my opinion. People don't want the responsibility of being accountable. They want to think everything is someone else's fault. This leads into banning people from showing certain things because they don't want to teach their children about it, etc etc.

Long story short, censorship seems entirely a cop-out to parents that don't want to raise their children. It is a symbol of exactly what is wrong with our society.

 

[Valkyira]

So, i recently was talking to someone who said the recent slip in society could actually be to do with the slip in the censorship.

What do you mean by "recent slip in society"?

Well, the fact that kids think they can get away with anything, talk to anyone as if they were idiots, swearing in every sentance. You know, increase in vandalism and what not.

The fact is in the '70s and '80s no one would yell at the old man crossing the road, because they respected and feared said old man.

And since then you could argue that the censorship relates to society (monkey see, monkey do etc).

Nothing to do with the media/censorship. It's all down to parental discipline.

Fun Fact: I first watched Terminator 2 when I was 8, first played GTA at the age of around 10 and at no point during my childhood would I have even considered attacking a random stranger "for the fun of it" or beating up an old man "because he looked at me strangely".

Speaking of random acts of violence, theres plenty of people who will do that because of their parents. Hell, I was attacked on saturday night because I have long hair and scumbags need to prove that theyre "hardy". It has nothing to do with movies, games, television or censorship. If a child is raised badly, he/she will be a fucking prick when theyre older. Ireland alone is full of people who will lie, cheat and steal purely because their family or friends dont have a problem with it, so neither do they. Of course, like every rule, there are exceptions to this.
Attacking someone "just for the fun of it" or "because he looked at me funny" are probably two of the main reasons for fights in Ireland. And I just dont understand it. I dont get people who have to physicaaly attack another person for some insane reason that wont affect their life one bit, except that they want it to.
As well as not understanding these people, I also hate them. Life would be so much better for everyone if all these people either stopped being the asshats they are or if they all just fucking died.

I completely agree with you, recently (especially in my area) there has been a major infestation of scum aka 'Chavs' who just make other peoples lives a complete misery. A bloke on a bike was stabbed 14 times because he looked at a group of hoodies hanging out on a street corner. Is this what our world has come to? People thinking that crime and civil disobedience is cool. People having to prove how 'hard' they are by brutally murdering some innocent person minding his own business on a bike. The world would be a much better place if these twats just fucking died.

 

[zenoaugustus]

However, the Safari episode was completely banned for the use of guns and from then on, no one had any idea how Ash had caught 30 Tauros.

I always wondered how he did that..... lol

Yeah, I was only little, but my cousins (they were a little bit older and knew how to use the internet) so they told me what happened about the 'lost safari episode." So I knew but when I found out they banned that episode, it might have been the first time I ever used the term "that's bullshit" even though I was only a child.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

So, i recently was talking to someone who said the recent slip in society could actually be to do with the slip in the censorship.

What do you mean by "recent slip in society"?

Well, the fact that kids think they can get away with anything, talk to anyone as if they were idiots, swearing in every sentance. You know, increase in vandalism and what not.

The fact is in the '70s and '80s no one would yell at the old man crossing the road, because they respected and feared said old man.

And since then you could argue that the censorship relates to society (monkey see, monkey do etc).

Nothing to do with the media/censorship. It's all down to parental discipline.

Fun Fact: I first watched Terminator 2 when I was 8, first played GTA at the age of around 10 and at no point during my childhood would I have even considered attacking a random stranger "for the fun of it" or beating up an old man "because he looked at me strangely".

Speaking of random acts of violence, theres plenty of people who will do that because of their parents. Hell, I was attacked on saturday night because I have long hair and scumbags need to prove that theyre "hardy". It has nothing to do with movies, games, television or censorship. If a child is raised badly, he/she will be a fucking prick when theyre older. Ireland alone is full of people who will lie, cheat and steal purely because their family or friends dont have a problem with it, so neither do they. Of course, like every rule, there are exceptions to this.
Attacking someone "just for the fun of it" or "because he looked at me funny" are probably two of the main reasons for fights in Ireland. And I just dont understand it. I dont get people who have to physicaaly attack another person for some insane reason that wont affect their life one bit, except that they want it to.
As well as not understanding these people, I also hate them. Life would be so much better for everyone if all these people either stopped being the asshats they are or if they all just fucking died.

Well, yeah us Irish enjoy a good brawl. I'd have to say alcohol is a major couse of most fights. I agree with what you say about parents.

 

[The DSM]

I blame fox news, if you play there reports backwards they tell you to kill.
(Lets see what Jackshit Thompson has to say about THIS..)

 

[Irridium]

Well, if parents acted like freaking parents then there wouldn't be any problems.

And I don't want any of that "Its hard being a parent" crap.
Since when in the history of the fucking human race has it ever been easy to be a parent?

Hell, animals probably have a harder time being parents than humans

 

[A random person]

So, i recently was talking to someone who said the recent slip in society could actually be to do with the slip in the censorship.
For example, when terminator first came out, it was an 18, and now it s a 12.
Things like having the "f" word in 12a's.What do you think?

Uh, what slip in society? I haven't noticed things in great chaos for reasons other than actual causes like terrorism and the recession. Culture haven't really decayed all that much (*insert bashing of rap and disney here*). And besides, people have always been saying society is breaking down.

Oh, and the ratings going down isn't really a problem. It just shows that society has less of a taboo against violence and swearing in movies. This is only bad relative to a preset standard of morality.

 

[ItsAChiaotzu]

I think censorship is pointless. I remember watching Yugioh when I was slightly younger and every single gun was censored out. Whoever was holding the gun was then just pointing the whole time. I always thought it was dumb. In Pokemon, they've banned far too many episodes. However, the Safari episode was completely banned for the use of guns and from then on, no one had any idea how Ash had caught 30 Tauros. Kids know that guns exist and should be introduced to them, lightly of course (it was still Yugioh and Pokemon, no one gets shot to death). Same thing goes with swearing. Perhaps have the bad guy swear so children associate swearing with being a bad guy so their vocabulary isn't so vulgar. Obviously an F bomb is not required every other sentence, but at least have it introduced to them.

Haha when i was young i saw Dragon Ball Z, which if i remember correctly had a fair amount of limb detatchment and impalement.
It was the bestest day ever.

 

[ItsAChiaotzu]

So, i recently was talking to someone who said the recent slip in society could actually be to do with the slip in the censorship.

What do you mean by "recent slip in society"?

I concur.

What is this 'slip in society' you speak of?

So, i recently was talking to someone who said the recent slip in society could actually be to do with the slip in the censorship.
For example, when terminator first came out, it was an 18, and now it s a 12.
Things like having the "f" word in 12a's.

What do you think?

What is this 'slip' in society you are talking about?

Okay, people really need to understand that the "slip" in society is very real, even if it is a poor choice of phrase.

I'm based in the UK and happen to know a large number of school teachers (it gets upsetting when most of your friends join "the enemy") and the change in discipline is shocking.

Let's be honest, it doesn't actually matter if people swear, it's just a word and it's stupid. But the concept of teachers genuinely being at risk of physical abuse and violence from their pupils is a very new one. I've got a friend who came home from school one day with bruises and bite marks from some scrote who laid into him - the kid got suspended, the parents hardly gave a damn and he returned to school looking smug.

I don't think censorship becoming more lax can be described as the key factor in this erosion of mutual respect in society but I can't accept any claim it's helping.

Controversial as it is, the more time I spend with my teacher friends the more I'd like to see a return of corporal punishment (caning etc) to the classroom.

Thats an easy thing to say for someone who doesn't go to school but for one thing not every child is a dickhead and for another corporal punishment will just make children hate school and fear it and not benefit from it.

Imagine going to work when your manager had the option to beat you, you wouldnt want to go, would you?

 

[Barky13]

Words change. Fuck isn't as offensive any more. It's that simple.

 

[Exosus]

Okay, people really need to understand that the "slip" in society is very real, even if it is a poor choice of phrase.

I'm based in the UK and happen to know a large number of school teachers (it gets upsetting when most of your friends join "the enemy") and the change in discipline is shocking.

Let's be honest, it doesn't actually matter if people swear, it's just a word and it's stupid. But the concept of teachers genuinely being at risk of physical abuse and violence from their pupils is a very new one. I've got a friend who came home from school one day with bruises and bite marks from some scrote who laid into him - the kid got suspended, the parents hardly gave a damn and he returned to school looking smug.

I don't think censorship becoming more lax can be described as the key factor in this erosion of mutual respect in society but I can't accept any claim it's helping.

Controversial as it is, the more time I spend with my teacher friends the more I'd like to see a return of corporal punishment (caning etc) to the classroom.

Violence against teachers is not new, not even in our little corner of greater society. I shan't argue against corporal punishment (I know it has done wonders for my relationship lol) but if your assumption is basically "children-caning=violence against teachers; ergo children+caning=noviolence" then you have the issue of violence against teachers existing well within the time of public corporal punishment. It should also be noted that we do have that sort of thing in the schools here the US (didn't sign that treaty) and there is still violence against teachers.

Not even fully a month ago there was a case on the news in my old home town of a middle-school (Year 6-8) teacher who got beaten all to hell for something the article didn't specify, and there are plenty more incidents like it all the way from kindergarten to college in varying degrees of violence. They beat the kids soundly for it, but aside from arousing a fair number of lawsuits there hasn't been a lot of impact from it. The fact is that the research doesn't support your conclusions. I can't say I disagree with the concept of an eye for an eye and all that jazz but let's not pretend it is going to prevent anything. All it does is re-balance the equation and make everyone feel better, but there is something to be said for that.

Thats an easy thing to say for someone who doesn't go to school but for one thing not every child is a dickhead and for another corporal punishment will just make children hate school and fear it and not benefit from it.

Imagine going to work when your manager had the option to beat you, you wouldnt want to go, would you?

That would be an interesting study in my opinion. Someone should start beating adult office workers for smarting back and see what the overall effect on productivity and morale was. Then try it on blue-collar workers and cross-reference. Would provide real insight I think. I mean theres ample evidence for how corporal punishment works on adults, but there isn't very much for how it would work in a professional context. I am wondering if it would be different given the difference in the relationship between a professional and their boss versus other examples.

In Pokemon, they've banned far too many episodes. However, the Safari episode was completely banned for the use of guns and from then on, no one had any idea how Ash had caught 30 Tauros.

Is THAT where he got all those damn Tauros'??? I never knew! I always wondered wtf happened that he just randomly had a giant herd of the bastards wandering around my entire childhood lmao. I always figured I had just missed an episode at some point and not realized it . . .

 

[WeedWorm]

Speaking of random acts of violence, theres plenty of people who will do that because of their parents. Hell, I was attacked on saturday night because I have long hair and scumbags need to prove that theyre "hardy". It has nothing to do with movies, games, television or censorship. If a child is raised badly, he/she will be a fucking prick when theyre older. Ireland alone is full of people who will lie, cheat and steal purely because their family or friends dont have a problem with it, so neither do they. Of course, like every rule, there are exceptions to this.
Attacking someone "just for the fun of it" or "because he looked at me funny" are probably two of the main reasons for fights in Ireland. And I just dont understand it. I dont get people who have to physicaaly attack another person for some insane reason that wont affect their life one bit, except that they want it to.
As well as not understanding these people, I also hate them. Life would be so much better for everyone if all these people either stopped being the asshats they are or if they all just fucking died.

I completely agree with you, recently (especially in my area) there has been a major infestation of scum aka 'Chavs' who just make other peoples lives a complete misery. A bloke on a bike was stabbed 14 times because he looked at a group of hoodies hanging out on a street corner. Is this what our world has come to? People thinking that crime and civil disobedience is cool. People having to prove how 'hard' they are by brutally murdering some innocent person minding his own business on a bike. The world would be a much better place if these twats just fucking died.

I saw something similar over near a friends house. Bunch of young lads, 'bout 13/14 started throwing stones at some old guy who was walking past them.
Alright, were on our way to get a movement going here.

Speaking of random acts of violence, theres plenty of people who will do that because of their parents. Hell, I was attacked on saturday night because I have long hair and scumbags need to prove that theyre "hardy". It has nothing to do with movies, games, television or censorship. If a child is raised badly, he/she will be a fucking prick when theyre older. Ireland alone is full of people who will lie, cheat and steal purely because their family or friends dont have a problem with it, so neither do they. Of course, like every rule, there are exceptions to this.
Attacking someone "just for the fun of it" or "because he looked at me funny" are probably two of the main reasons for fights in Ireland. And I just dont understand it. I dont get people who have to physicaaly attack another person for some insane reason that wont affect their life one bit, except that they want it to.
As well as not understanding these people, I also hate them. Life would be so much better for everyone if all these people either stopped being the asshats they are or if they all just fucking died.

Well, yeah us Irish enjoy a good brawl. I'd have to say alcohol is a major couse of most fights. I agree with what you say about parents.

Alcohol does play a large part of it but then you also get the little shits who will attack a person in broad daylight, over that is completely and utterly retarded, like what PrO InSaNity said.
Also, Ill tell you one thing, the only people who I know that enjoy hurting people and being dickheads for fun are scumbags and knackers.

 

[razer17]

Parents not their children. /thread

qouted for truth.

im of the belief that early exposure to certain things makes you less likely to go extreme with it. gradually starting at around 11 i was allowed to swear (starting with not-so bad words) now i am allowed to swear (17 now) but i rarely swear, much less thatn my friends, because im used to it and its nothing new. then again thats different to some where they swear when they are like 5 and saying "f**k you" and such. i think there needs to be a balance. same goes for sex etc. keep people sheltered and they rebel, and then we end up with 14 year old pregnant girls.

parents need to be able to control their children. not the government playing nanny by controlling what children can/cant do, (to a degree)

 

[Archaon6044]

i'd say lack of censorship, and lack of corpral punishment are to blame

 

[hippykiller]

I blame videogames.

Could we have a "plausible" option.

You blame video games? then what the hell are you doing at this web site? this entire web site is for gamers. so if you blame video games for the "slip of society" than get the hell out! oh and you spelled plausible wrong i changed it for you.

 

[FISHFINGERS]

Simply put saying "fuck" just isn't shocking anymore.

Take the original Dracula, Bela Lugosi simply walked up towards his victim, raised his cape and covered them, this was an adult only horror flick and now it's a PG film.
Each form of media pushes the limits of what's expectable, the fact you get swearing in films rated 12 or less isn't unusual either.

I remember the fuss over the first Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles films repeated use of the word "damn". That word was considered too rude for kid by large sections of the population.

These words and actions have less impact in a world where observing them in the media is more commonplace, so they can get in to more media. They then become less shocking so they can get in more media....