Poll: Chicken or the Egg?
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Ah! But how did the egg come to be? (Sorry, I don't know why I said that)Omikron009 said:
OT: But yes, I chose I don't know.
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I'm sorry, I don't want to waste my time reading up on something as trivial as which came first. I will argue/debate/discuss with you though 'cos I find it interesting.manaman said:
I know how evolution works, the only thing I liked in school was science (although I am a bit rusty). I know two fish didn't make a baby and a deer walked out of the sea, instead, two fish made a baby fish with a small genetic defect which bred with a fish with the same defect and that continued till we ended up with a deer.
To me it just sounds like you said the same thing twice. What do you mean proto-chicken? Like "gods" first go at making the chicken but it messed it up so he dubbed it the proto-chicken.
It sounds like your saying the animal before a chicken made an egg which had a chicken in it, I am sure it was a little slower than that.
"What came first, the chicken or the egg?"
"That's a tough one."
"Well, let me make it simple for you. The egg means you believe in evolution, and the chicken means you're a creationist."
"You're right - that does make it ludicrously simple, defeating the purpose of the age old riddle entirely and making the only people who answered 'chicken' to likely be ones who didn't bother to read your message. Besides, what if I wanted to suggest that evolution may be a product of creationism?"
"Then I suppose you'd answer 'egg' but thereby completely mess up the count I was going for in trying to determine how many people are even mildly religious."
"Maybe you should have just asked the question straight instead of hiding it behind the chicken or the egg debate."
"Yeah, but then you'd probably point out that this thread has been done before and probably could be considered flame bait on the grounds I'm trying to set up the battle lines between the religious and non-religious."
"Right."
"That's a tough one."
"Well, let me make it simple for you. The egg means you believe in evolution, and the chicken means you're a creationist."
"You're right - that does make it ludicrously simple, defeating the purpose of the age old riddle entirely and making the only people who answered 'chicken' to likely be ones who didn't bother to read your message. Besides, what if I wanted to suggest that evolution may be a product of creationism?"
"Then I suppose you'd answer 'egg' but thereby completely mess up the count I was going for in trying to determine how many people are even mildly religious."
"Maybe you should have just asked the question straight instead of hiding it behind the chicken or the egg debate."
"Yeah, but then you'd probably point out that this thread has been done before and probably could be considered flame bait on the grounds I'm trying to set up the battle lines between the religious and non-religious."
"Right."
This entire conversation is based on half-truths and conjectures. You cannot cite the postulations of another poster as fact, in as much as you cannot dismiss my own propositions so long as they achieve a status respectfully beyond nonsensical dribble. I say this, in part, because no one can truly "know" what happened. We are all working with educated guesses.manaman said:
That said, I am sorry if you felt my tone was confrontational, however, it was meant to decry the flames that arise every time this creationism vs evolution conversation take place. That said, I stand by my claims that the 'chicken vs egg' debate is ill suited for an analogy to the evolution vs creationism debate.
The chicken could be first as a result of an evolutionary shift from another species.
The Egg could be first as the result of another species laying an egg (reptilian or otherwise) that chained into a new set of cross-breeds.
Either could result as their own strain, despite the cited skepticism.
Alternatively, the 'creator' could create either a chicken or an egg making either first as a result of its sequential inclination.
Now that I have clarified my position, I am tentatively optimistic that you and I can respectfully disagree.
Not at all, I was just saying that Atheists are more likely to believe in evolution because accepting Genesis would imply they believe. However, this doesn't mean Christians can't believe in evolution; many of my Christian friends believe in evolution as though God intended it to occur.Daffy F said: