Poll: Console RTS >PC RTS

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Chipperz said:
...Am I the only person that sees the irony in a bunch of PC elitists flaming someone being sincere because they don't agree with him, and them calling him the troll?

I haven't really tried console RTSs (I'm more of an RPG guy), but I can see how they'd work. I'm hoping Natal will be used to really bring home console RTSs. It'd be like Minority report, but for warzones! :D
Can you really say to me with a straight face that consoles games have better graphics than high end or even mid end pcs? I respect the ops posistion, but I think you become a troll when you start to defend it with outright lying.
 

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Well I guess that's your opinion. RTS's just work smoother on PC and they're a million times more accurate. Maybe because I started out on a PC, but consoles have controls that aren't nearly as accurate.
 

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Irishhoodlum said:
williebaz said:
Ashtovo said:
williebaz said:
GamesB2 said:
It just feels better and everything moves faster with a pc rts. I really liked halo wars, but i wouldve enjoyed it more on pc.
but those great graphics wouldn't have been possible on the PC
are you that shallow type who will disregard a good game just because its graphics were crap? or will say a shit game was awesome just because it looked like live actors or whatever?

also red alert 3 has good graphics on the pc, you just need to not have a failure of a computer.
Graphics are always only a minor factor, the main reason I preferred red alert 3 on my xbox was because it was less laggy. I've already stated my justificaton for having a "Failure of a PC" on other quotes so I don't feel like saying it again. Not to mention there is no securom on the xbox version.
There you go again. You keep calling out faults of PC RTS games like "lag", and "bad graphics" when these are all just the faults of your computer. If I bought a RROD xbox and Halo Wars and called it complete shite just because it didn't load do you think anyone would take me seriously? Hopefully not.

Buy a REAL gaming computer and then you can talk about comparing the two. You haven't even discussed the actual gameplay issues like better controls on the PC (dozens of possible hotkeys, and of course a mouse which is only 1000x easier to maneuver than analog sticks), large pop caps, actually better graphics, wider selection of games, mods, more units, more special attacks/abilities etc etc. The fact is console RTS games are basically just a spin off of PC RTS games.
Well I looked online, and I wasn't the only one who was complaining about lag. So the game obviously requires a thousand dollar computer to run it.
 

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I think it would be almost unanimous that the PC RTS is better. You just can't have a great RTS without having a keyboard/mouse combo.
 

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williebaz said:
Irishhoodlum said:
williebaz said:
Ashtovo said:
williebaz said:
GamesB2 said:
It just feels better and everything moves faster with a pc rts. I really liked halo wars, but i wouldve enjoyed it more on pc.
but those great graphics wouldn't have been possible on the PC
are you that shallow type who will disregard a good game just because its graphics were crap? or will say a shit game was awesome just because it looked like live actors or whatever?

also red alert 3 has good graphics on the pc, you just need to not have a failure of a computer.
Graphics are always only a minor factor, the main reason I preferred red alert 3 on my xbox was because it was less laggy. I've already stated my justificaton for having a "Failure of a PC" on other quotes so I don't feel like saying it again. Not to mention there is no securom on the xbox version.
There you go again. You keep calling out faults of PC RTS games like "lag", and "bad graphics" when these are all just the faults of your computer. If I bought a RROD xbox and Halo Wars and called it complete shite just because it didn't load do you think anyone would take me seriously? Hopefully not.

Buy a REAL gaming computer and then you can talk about comparing the two. You haven't even discussed the actual gameplay issues like better controls on the PC (dozens of possible hotkeys, and of course a mouse which is only 1000x easier to maneuver than analog sticks), large pop caps, actually better graphics, wider selection of games, mods, more units, more special attacks/abilities etc etc. The fact is console RTS games are basically just a spin off of PC RTS games.
Well I looked online, and I wasn't the only one who was complaining about lag. So the game obviously requires a thousand dollar computer to run it.
My computer cost £600 and it plays Red Alert 3 with everything on max settings with 1600x1200 res with no lag even when theres a huge number of units on screen. As others have said you just need a computer more powerful then a toaster.
 

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Alright guys. I've been reading over this and here's what it seems to basically boil down to: a lack of people being able to see both sides of an issue. Many people on this thread have actually been able to experience both, and that's good. I suppose I'll throw in my two cents.

I am a "hardcore gamer". I've gotten just about every console released with the exception of a SNES, and a PlayStation and PS3. I have just about every other console, and I also have a laptop and PC. That in mind, I think it gives a little validation to this. I played Command and Conquer 1 & 3, End war, and Halo Wars on the console. On computer I've dabbled in Star Craft and Warcraft, and played Age of Empires I & II, Command and Conquer Generals + Zero Hour, Red Alert II & III, Command and Conquer 3, and a few other RTS on the computer.

While playing them I noticed a few things. My PC is approximately 6 years old, and it still can play all of those including the new ones at full specs without compromising playability. I won't question that the graphics are better on a mid to high-end PC; I believe most of us know this to be a GENERAL FACT. There are exceptions, but not many. My laptop is half a year old, it is for college. It is also around a mid level laptop and can still handle those games fine.

In terms of strategy, I believe it to be a matter of personal preference. In console gaming I found much of the strategy to be around the rock paper scissors schema, (I.E, each unit has a weakness to another unit and a strength against another type of unit,) and while micromanagement was still used there, it wasn't quite as important due to limiting controls. The pc version, while definitely still holding these ideals, also functions much more on micromanagement techniques. It's natural that both can still pull the strategy of; Create largest unit, spam largest unit, flood army of largest unit, yet on a PC, you generally see a (hopefully) more diverse and complex level given the more complex and diverse tools (I.E, a mouse and keyboard versus a Controller).

Personally, I find that I generally enjoy console gaming better. I found that on a limited income, it was easier IN THE SHORT RUN to keep up to date with games by going with a console. In addition, I prefer other genres of games, such as First Person Shooters, on the console. (Please do not point out they are better on the PC, I am fully aware that it's the same argument for a different genre. :3)

That being said, I did find that in the long run, a computer was just as viable an option, and its technological lifetime is a lot longer than most people give it credit for. I personally prefer my RTS games to be played on a PC, but I also have friends who play them on console and hated them on PC. In the end, it really comes down to personal taste and preference of controls and graphics and the style you play your games in.

Happy gaming, ladies and gentlemen.
 

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George144 said:
williebaz said:
Irishhoodlum said:
williebaz said:
Ashtovo said:
williebaz said:
GamesB2 said:
It just feels better and everything moves faster with a pc rts. I really liked halo wars, but i wouldve enjoyed it more on pc.
but those great graphics wouldn't have been possible on the PC
are you that shallow type who will disregard a good game just because its graphics were crap? or will say a shit game was awesome just because it looked like live actors or whatever?

also red alert 3 has good graphics on the pc, you just need to not have a failure of a computer.
Graphics are always only a minor factor, the main reason I preferred red alert 3 on my xbox was because it was less laggy. I've already stated my justificaton for having a "Failure of a PC" on other quotes so I don't feel like saying it again. Not to mention there is no securom on the xbox version.
There you go again. You keep calling out faults of PC RTS games like "lag", and "bad graphics" when these are all just the faults of your computer. If I bought a RROD xbox and Halo Wars and called it complete shite just because it didn't load do you think anyone would take me seriously? Hopefully not.

Buy a REAL gaming computer and then you can talk about comparing the two. You haven't even discussed the actual gameplay issues like better controls on the PC (dozens of possible hotkeys, and of course a mouse which is only 1000x easier to maneuver than analog sticks), large pop caps, actually better graphics, wider selection of games, mods, more units, more special attacks/abilities etc etc. The fact is console RTS games are basically just a spin off of PC RTS games.
Well I looked online, and I wasn't the only one who was complaining about lag. So the game obviously requires a thousand dollar computer to run it.
My computer cost £600 and it plays Red Alert 3 with everything on max settings with 1600x1200 res with no lag even when theres a huge number of units on screen. As others have said you just need a computer more powerful then a toaster.
Well maybe I can't buy a computer more powerful than a toaster because I have to spend that money on my education
 

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Not a Spy said:
williebaz said:
Irishhoodlum said:
williebaz said:
Ashtovo said:
williebaz said:
GamesB2 said:
It just feels better and everything moves faster with a pc rts. I really liked halo wars, but i wouldve enjoyed it more on pc.
but those great graphics wouldn't have been possible on the PC
are you that shallow type who will disregard a good game just because its graphics were crap? or will say a shit game was awesome just because it looked like live actors or whatever?

also red alert 3 has good graphics on the pc, you just need to not have a failure of a computer.
Graphics are always only a minor factor, the main reason I preferred red alert 3 on my xbox was because it was less laggy. I've already stated my justificaton for having a "Failure of a PC" on other quotes so I don't feel like saying it again. Not to mention there is no securom on the xbox version.
There you go again. You keep calling out faults of PC RTS games like "lag", and "bad graphics" when these are all just the faults of your computer. If I bought a RROD xbox and Halo Wars and called it complete shite just because it didn't load do you think anyone would take me seriously? Hopefully not.

Buy a REAL gaming computer and then you can talk about comparing the two. You haven't even discussed the actual gameplay issues like better controls on the PC (dozens of possible hotkeys, and of course a mouse which is only 1000x easier to maneuver than analog sticks), large pop caps, actually better graphics, wider selection of games, mods, more units, more special attacks/abilities etc etc. The fact is console RTS games are basically just a spin off of PC RTS games.
Well I looked online, and I wasn't the only one who was complaining about lag. So the game obviously requires a thousand dollar computer to run it.
So, because you and a few other people have shite computers, the PC version is crap? OT: RTS have almost always been on the PC, it's only since the recent popularity of consoles that a few have attempted (and failed) to make the jump. Hotkeys make an RTS 1000x easier, and the PC will always have the pontential for better graphics, simply due to the pace technology moves at. A PC can be constantly upgraded to stay on the cutting edge, whereas consoles are always a snapshot of the technology available when they were initially concieved.
They havn't failed, have you played halo wars?
 

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williebaz said:
GamesB2 said:
It just feels better and everything moves faster with a pc rts. I really liked halo wars, but i wouldve enjoyed it more on pc.
but those great graphics wouldn't have been possible on the PC
are you freaking nuts??? a PC can handle ANY graphics, far better than a console. the differance is that Halo Wars had the funding of everything halo to back it... which is far more than you can comprehend

starcraft 2 is the only other RTS which can match those graphics, also because it has the goldmine of warcraft to fund it
 

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williebaz said:
My favorite genre is RTS. For most of my life I've been playing them on my P.C. However just recently I got "Halo Wars" and "Red Alert 3" for my xbox. Believe it or not I liked the console RTS controls better than the PC RTS controls. It felt way more organic to paint over the units to select them, instead of selecting them using click and drag.
Not played either of these on consoles, got RA3 on PC though. And that sounds... unnecessarily roundabout.

And the subtraction of the minimap didn't bother me at all.
No minimap? Stupid. At the level of zoom required to get the same kind of tactical feel, if it's even possible, there's no way you could see the units it any kind of detail.

Not to mention that the graphics are waaay better on consoles. What do you think?
Also the case for me, but get over it. Buy a better PC. You cannot state "Console graphics are better than PC" because there are so many kinds of PC.

I am one of those weird folks that believes that an FPS isn't automatically destroyed by being on a console and in many ways I prefer playing an FPS on a console to a PC, but RTSs are bloody awful on anything but a PC.
 

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williebaz said:
Irishhoodlum said:
williebaz said:
Mercanary57 said:
williebaz said:
I don't think I made a poor decision. I spent 300 dollars on an xbox, and I get gamefly for 8$ a month. This means I can have whatever game I want. If I spent 300 dollars on a pc, I wouldn't be able to play any games and even if I could I would have to buy each for 60 dollars.
You did make somewhat of a poor decision.
You could have spent the 300 dollars to update your PC that you are currently using.
And the games are actually cheaper for the PC. You can even pirate the majority of them if you want to be like that. In which case, you might as well say that PC gaming is free.
And with Gamefly, you don't own the game though.
But the thing is I couldn't get gamefly on a P.C. Not to mention I need a laptop to take notes in school. I can't get too expensive of a computer then because I would run at risk of losing it. I currently have a 500$ dell laptop I bought 4 years ago. It's in no condition for gaming. If I bought an 800$ laptop instead, my gaming options would still be limited, as would my choices in games. Furthermore, in case you weren't paying attention I prefer the console controls, especially when it comes to RTS gameplay.
Well for a gaming PC you'd need at least $600 give or take a few. Though games are almost always much cheaper on the PC. Not that either of those matter because the quality of games isn't determined by price. So what if overall RTS games cost more on the PC? Does that make them worse? No, in fact it probably makes them better since you're paying for more you're also getting more.
Yeah well I'd have to buy a new one (or at least parts for it) every 3 days. No, I made the right decision.
buy parts of what every 3 days? the game? the computer? ive had computers for years and have only had to replace things as often as i have to replace my consoles (either from breaking down or new versions coming out). ive had my computer since before the ps3 came out, but its still capable of running things better and faster and looking greater than the ps3. so what the hell would you have to replace?
 

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williebaz said:
George144 said:
williebaz said:
Irishhoodlum said:
williebaz said:
Ashtovo said:
williebaz said:
GamesB2 said:
It just feels better and everything moves faster with a pc rts. I really liked halo wars, but i wouldve enjoyed it more on pc.
but those great graphics wouldn't have been possible on the PC
are you that shallow type who will disregard a good game just because its graphics were crap? or will say a shit game was awesome just because it looked like live actors or whatever?

also red alert 3 has good graphics on the pc, you just need to not have a failure of a computer.
Graphics are always only a minor factor, the main reason I preferred red alert 3 on my xbox was because it was less laggy. I've already stated my justificaton for having a "Failure of a PC" on other quotes so I don't feel like saying it again. Not to mention there is no securom on the xbox version.
There you go again. You keep calling out faults of PC RTS games like "lag", and "bad graphics" when these are all just the faults of your computer. If I bought a RROD xbox and Halo Wars and called it complete shite just because it didn't load do you think anyone would take me seriously? Hopefully not.

Buy a REAL gaming computer and then you can talk about comparing the two. You haven't even discussed the actual gameplay issues like better controls on the PC (dozens of possible hotkeys, and of course a mouse which is only 1000x easier to maneuver than analog sticks), large pop caps, actually better graphics, wider selection of games, mods, more units, more special attacks/abilities etc etc. The fact is console RTS games are basically just a spin off of PC RTS games.
Well I looked online, and I wasn't the only one who was complaining about lag. So the game obviously requires a thousand dollar computer to run it.
My computer cost £600 and it plays Red Alert 3 with everything on max settings with 1600x1200 res with no lag even when theres a huge number of units on screen. As others have said you just need a computer more powerful then a toaster.
Well maybe I can't buy a computer more powerful than a toaster because I have to spend that money on my education
Pfff I can afford my computer, plus driving lessons, plus gym membership plus money for Uni next year because I work hard for it and I'm sure you could if you put your mind and energy towards it so stop trying to play the sympathy card. You can't be that poor if you have internet access and time to spend on a gaming forum.
 

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George144 said:
williebaz said:
George144 said:
williebaz said:
Irishhoodlum said:
williebaz said:
Ashtovo said:
williebaz said:
GamesB2 said:
It just feels better and everything moves faster with a pc rts. I really liked halo wars, but i wouldve enjoyed it more on pc.
but those great graphics wouldn't have been possible on the PC
are you that shallow type who will disregard a good game just because its graphics were crap? or will say a shit game was awesome just because it looked like live actors or whatever?

also red alert 3 has good graphics on the pc, you just need to not have a failure of a computer.
Graphics are always only a minor factor, the main reason I preferred red alert 3 on my xbox was because it was less laggy. I've already stated my justificaton for having a "Failure of a PC" on other quotes so I don't feel like saying it again. Not to mention there is no securom on the xbox version.
There you go again. You keep calling out faults of PC RTS games like "lag", and "bad graphics" when these are all just the faults of your computer. If I bought a RROD xbox and Halo Wars and called it complete shite just because it didn't load do you think anyone would take me seriously? Hopefully not.

Buy a REAL gaming computer and then you can talk about comparing the two. You haven't even discussed the actual gameplay issues like better controls on the PC (dozens of possible hotkeys, and of course a mouse which is only 1000x easier to maneuver than analog sticks), large pop caps, actually better graphics, wider selection of games, mods, more units, more special attacks/abilities etc etc. The fact is console RTS games are basically just a spin off of PC RTS games.
Well I looked online, and I wasn't the only one who was complaining about lag. So the game obviously requires a thousand dollar computer to run it.
My computer cost £600 and it plays Red Alert 3 with everything on max settings with 1600x1200 res with no lag even when theres a huge number of units on screen. As others have said you just need a computer more powerful then a toaster.
Well maybe I can't buy a computer more powerful than a toaster because I have to spend that money on my education
Pfff I can afford my computer, plus driving lessons, plus gym membership plus money for Uni next year because I work hard for it and I'm sure you could if you put your mind and energy towards it so stop trying to play the sympathy card. You can't be that poor if you have internet access and time to spend on a gaming forum.
PrinceoN said:
williebaz said:
Irishhoodlum said:
williebaz said:
Mercanary57 said:
williebaz said:
I don't think I made a poor decision. I spent 300 dollars on an xbox, and I get gamefly for 8$ a month. This means I can have whatever game I want. If I spent 300 dollars on a pc, I wouldn't be able to play any games and even if I could I would have to buy each for 60 dollars.
You did make somewhat of a poor decision.
You could have spent the 300 dollars to update your PC that you are currently using.
And the games are actually cheaper for the PC. You can even pirate the majority of them if you want to be like that. In which case, you might as well say that PC gaming is free.
And with Gamefly, you don't own the game though.
But the thing is I couldn't get gamefly on a P.C. Not to mention I need a laptop to take notes in school. I can't get too expensive of a computer then because I would run at risk of losing it. I currently have a 500$ dell laptop I bought 4 years ago. It's in no condition for gaming. If I bought an 800$ laptop instead, my gaming options would still be limited, as would my choices in games. Furthermore, in case you weren't paying attention I prefer the console controls, especially when it comes to RTS gameplay.
Well for a gaming PC you'd need at least $600 give or take a few. Though games are almost always much cheaper on the PC. Not that either of those matter because the quality of games isn't determined by price. So what if overall RTS games cost more on the PC? Does that make them worse? No, in fact it probably makes them better since you're paying for more you're also getting more.
Yeah well I'd have to buy a new one (or at least parts for it) every 3 days. No, I made the right decision.
buy parts of what every 3 days? the game? the computer? ive had computers for years and have only had to replace things as often as i have to replace my consoles (either from breaking down or new versions coming out). ive had my computer since before the ps3 came out, but its still capable of running things better and faster and looking greater than the ps3. so what the hell would you have to replace?
Not a Spy said:
williebaz said:
Not a Spy said:
williebaz said:
Irishhoodlum said:
williebaz said:
Ashtovo said:
williebaz said:
GamesB2 said:
It just feels better and everything moves faster with a pc rts. I really liked halo wars, but i wouldve enjoyed it more on pc.
but those great graphics wouldn't have been possible on the PC
are you that shallow type who will disregard a good game just because its graphics were crap? or will say a shit game was awesome just because it looked like live actors or whatever?

also red alert 3 has good graphics on the pc, you just need to not have a failure of a computer.
Graphics are always only a minor factor, the main reason I preferred red alert 3 on my xbox was because it was less laggy. I've already stated my justificaton for having a "Failure of a PC" on other quotes so I don't feel like saying it again. Not to mention there is no securom on the xbox version.
There you go again. You keep calling out faults of PC RTS games like "lag", and "bad graphics" when these are all just the faults of your computer. If I bought a RROD xbox and Halo Wars and called it complete shite just because it didn't load do you think anyone would take me seriously? Hopefully not.

Buy a REAL gaming computer and then you can talk about comparing the two. You haven't even discussed the actual gameplay issues like better controls on the PC (dozens of possible hotkeys, and of course a mouse which is only 1000x easier to maneuver than analog sticks), large pop caps, actually better graphics, wider selection of games, mods, more units, more special attacks/abilities etc etc. The fact is console RTS games are basically just a spin off of PC RTS games.
Well I looked online, and I wasn't the only one who was complaining about lag. So the game obviously requires a thousand dollar computer to run it.
So, because you and a few other people have shite computers, the PC version is crap? OT: RTS have almost always been on the PC, it's only since the recent popularity of consoles that a few have attempted (and failed) to make the jump. Hotkeys make an RTS 1000x easier, and the PC will always have the pontential for better graphics, simply due to the pace technology moves at. A PC can be constantly upgraded to stay on the cutting edge, whereas consoles are always a snapshot of the technology available when they were initially concieved.
They havn't failed, have you played halo wars?
Yeah, and I didnt like it. The game as whole (I thought)stunk. From a bland color pallate, to total lack of variety, etc, etc. And the control issues that have plagued console RTS's were still present.
Circus Ascendant said:
williebaz said:
My favorite genre is RTS. For most of my life I've been playing them on my P.C. However just recently I got "Halo Wars" and "Red Alert 3" for my xbox. Believe it or not I liked the console RTS controls better than the PC RTS controls. It felt way more organic to paint over the units to select them, instead of selecting them using click and drag.
Not played either of these on consoles, got RA3 on PC though. And that sounds... unnecessarily roundabout.

And the subtraction of the minimap didn't bother me at all.
No minimap? Stupid. At the level of zoom required to get the same kind of tactical feel, if it's even possible, there's no way you could see the units it any kind of detail.

Not to mention that the graphics are waaay better on consoles. What do you think?
Also the case for me, but get over it. Buy a better PC. You cannot state "Console graphics are better than PC" because there are so many kinds of PC.

I am one of those weird folks that believes that an FPS isn't automatically destroyed by being on a console and in many ways I prefer playing an FPS on a console to a PC, but RTSs are bloody awful on anything but a PC.
michael_ab said:
williebaz said:
GamesB2 said:
It just feels better and everything moves faster with a pc rts. I really liked halo wars, but i wouldve enjoyed it more on pc.
but those great graphics wouldn't have been possible on the PC
are you freaking nuts??? a PC can handle ANY graphics, far better than a console. the differance is that Halo Wars had the funding of everything halo to back it... which is far more than you can comprehend

starcraft 2 is the only other RTS which can match those graphics, also because it has the goldmine of warcraft to fund it
I can't respond to all your quotes because I'm too busy, sorry
 

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williebaz said:
GamesB2 said:
It just feels better and everything moves faster with a pc rts. I really liked halo wars, but i wouldve enjoyed it more on pc.
but those great graphics wouldn't have been possible on the PC
I'm afraid you lose this thread, sir.
 

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williebaz said:
I can't respond to all your quotes because I'm too busy, sorry
just admit that you were wrong and accept it. not about your opinion, you can have that if you wish, we cant take it away. but no, about everything else, namely the graphics portion. you went all troll on us and then tried to defend yourself saying that all rts's sucked for a ludacris reason based on your ill experiences. and then you started going around in circles.

so just say it, you were wrong in your reasoning.

otherwise be considered a troll.
 

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williebaz said:
Not to mention that the graphics are waaay better on consoles. What do you think?
No...Bad dog!

Unless you've turned all the graphic settings down and immersed your monitor in black goop.
 

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williebaz said:
GamesB2 said:
It just feels better and everything moves faster with a pc rts. I really liked halo wars, but i wouldve enjoyed it more on pc.
but those great graphics wouldn't have been possible on MY PC
also, there, fixed that for you
 

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I think it really depends on how much depth you're looking for. I think that console RTSs have the ability to be fun, but they certainly don't provide the amount of challenge that some PC RTSs would.

I prefer to judge things on a game-to-game basis, and not on an entire genre.