Poll: Controversial Protests

[Cliff_m85]

I am against gay marriage, but I also despise Fred Phelps and his flock. They are a stain on the face of this earth; shouting their hate from the rooftops like they do. The good news is that people hate them pretty much everywhere they go, and we've all stopped caring about them. The fastest way to make them go away is to simply stop giving them the attention and press they so desperately want.

If you're against it then why do you despise them? Why are you against it?

 

[tsb247]

Oh these people again. What can i say that hasnt already been said about them, yes theyre off their fucking rocker. This thread is all over the place though, on one hand you have the crazies and on the other you have a serious social political issue. Very poorly done OP. Weve done the gay marriage thing to death already here, theres not much left to say that hasnt been said already.

Yea, I just got finished with a flame war a that lasted a full three days! Heavy casualities were mounting.

At any rate, the Westboro baptist church doesn't understand Christianity. God loves the sinner, hates the sin. They don't represent mainstream theology or mainstream anti-gay-marriage people. They're crazy even for people against gay marriage. These people would just as soon bring genocide against homosexuals, where as most people who are anti-gay simply don't want marriage stuff to pertain to them.

I disagree. They obviously do understand Christianity, especially after watching interviews with the haggard looking female bridge-troll who actually knows her stuff. They don't represent mainstream theology, they represent true theology....the people who don't ignore the "for their blood be upon them" or the Deuteronomy 22: 22-29's of the Bible nor do they put a fluffy whip of apologetics over them. God does hate homosexuals enough to call for their death at one point, a death by believers and not by him. Ofcourse the Westboro would love genocide against homosexuals.......because they know their Bible.

No, they abuse Torah. In the terms of Yeshua, "the Law was made for man, man was not made for the law,"

Within Torah, there are 613 laws. They all are very comprehensive and Jesus rose the bar on almost all of them. But what he came to preach is a message of repentance and grace. What you so arrogantly ignore is the fact that in Deuteronomy, it talks about if people repent from their ways and offer sacrifices for their sins, they will be forgiven. God takes this message of grace a step further by consistently offering people who are not anywhere near worthy of love an opportunity of grace. He showed grace with David, Samson, etc. You talk about the law as though it was set in stone, but you don't understand God. God is not under the law. We are not under it either, but rather are completed by it. Samson, for example, was a great judge in Israel, but he was plagued by sexual promiscuity; he broke laws that are punishable by stoning. Yet God was slow to anger and didn't concede to punishment until he slept with a certain Philistine woman. David had 900 wives and another 900 concubines, but didn't get punished till he committed adultery with one. God is very slow to anger.

The message of Torah is right - they do deserve to die. But so do all of us. Adultery is punishable by death. Yet Jesus said that anyone who looks upon a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in her heart. I don't see God smiting people left and right. We can never complete the law. The Law completes us. It completes us by showing us the message of grace and Love God has for his people. When you add up the law* and the prophets, that's what you get - love. These aren't apologetic, it's the basic Christian doctrine established by Yeshua himself. These people do NOT understand Christianity, they abuse the Law. But if they really understood the law, they would feed the hungry, take care of the poor, watch after the wretched, take in the widows - they'd stop being so obsessed with self-righteousness and judging and begin doing what the Law actually commands; care for those around you. Again, this isn't apologetics, but is a consistent theme throughout the Bible, particularly in the Old Testament.

Yeshua also says to condemn someone in their sin condemns yourself - being the condemner is far worse than being the condemned. According to his teachings, these people should be struck by God's wrath. But he hasn't done that yet. Why? Because he's gracious, because just as homosexuals are found in sin, so are they, and God wants them to be found in his love, not his hate.

Wow, I was going to respond to the post you responded to, but you said everything I could have said, and you said it better than I could have. That is quite possibly the best explanation I have ever heard.

 

[Skeleon]

The swastica does absolutely no harm to any minority or majority, but the people wearing or showing it do. You, sir, are blaming the ink rather than the author.

Me and the entire German justice system, it seems. Of course it does not cause direct physical harm but it is a rallying point of hate and anti-democratic energy.
The protests themselve are directly problematic, however, because of the intolerably offensive way they persecute gays.

Skeleon, I want to play at a hypothetical. Let's say that I believe that homosexuals are evil and you do not. I am not allowed to voice my opinion though since it is hateful. For the rest of my life, I continue to believe this nonsense.....and even worse, I spread it to my children who must also keep quiet. All of this could've changed with you providing evidence proving me wrong.....but you never knew I believed as such. Vocalization is the one absolute way to end ignorance. Am I incorrect?

No of course not. I never said I was against protests altogether, my point was the way in which they are performed. I've seen vids on them, they are hateful, aggressive, underlined with physical assaults. As I said, there's a difference between protesting civilized and spouting hate-speech and persecuting a minority.

When democratic rights allow for anti-democratic forces to rally and democracy does nothing to protect itself, we end up losing what we hold so dear. How do you think things went wrong during the Weimarer Republic? That was a true democratic state. But it was not a well-fortified democracy. Some people may say "freedom of speech, no matter what" but I feel we have to acknowledge all freedoms have to have limits, however broad, unless we want to lose them completely.

 

[tsb247]

I am against gay marriage, but I also despise Fred Phelps and his flock. They are a stain on the face of this earth; shouting their hate from the rooftops like they do. The good news is that people hate them pretty much everywhere they go, and we've all stopped caring about them. The fastest way to make them go away is to simply stop giving them the attention and press they so desperately want.

If you're against it then why do you despise them? Why are you against it?

I am against gay marriage because I simply do not believe it is right (morally or biologically). I can be against gay marriage and not hate gay people. I assure you it is completely possible. I even have some gay friends, and we get along just fine. One does not have to agree with someone else's lifestyle in order to accept them. There are always differences. Sometimes they just need to be overlooked. Nobody is perfect.

I'm against the Phelps protests because he and his crew only serve to do two things:

1. Preach nothing but hate and make life miserable for good people that have done nothing wrong.

2. They grossly misrepresent Christianity and make us ALL look bad. They only hurt - never help.

 

[Cliff_m85]

The swastica does absolutely no harm to any minority or majority, but the people wearing or showing it do. You, sir, are blaming the ink rather than the author.

Me and the entire German justice system, it seems. Of course it does not cause direct physical harm but it is a rallying point of hate and anti-democratic energy.
The protests themselve are directly problematic, however, because of the intolerably offensive way they persecute gays.

Skeleon, I want to play at a hypothetical. Let's say that I believe that homosexuals are evil and you do not. I am not allowed to voice my opinion though since it is hateful. For the rest of my life, I continue to believe this nonsense.....and even worse, I spread it to my children who must also keep quiet. All of this could've changed with you providing evidence proving me wrong.....but you never knew I believed as such. Vocalization is the one absolute way to end ignorance. Am I incorrect?

No of course not. I never said I was against protests altogether, my point was the way in which they are performed. I've seen vids on them, they are hateful, aggressive, underlined with physical assaults. As I said, there's a difference between protesting civilized and spouting hate-speech and persecuting a minority.

When democratic rights allow for anti-democratic forces to rally and democracy does nothing to protect itself, we end up losing what we hold so dear. How do you think things went wrong during the Weimarer Republic? That was a true democratic state. But it was not a well-fortified democracy. Some people may say "freedom of speech, no matter what" but I feel we have to acknowledge all freedoms have to have limits, however broad, unless we want to lose them completely.

So once again you admit that the swastica does nothing but the protestors bearing the swastica are the ones what are doing the harm? I find it ignorant since it's obviously just a symbol. Once again, content is not important....context is. If the swastica was the problem, and it is not, then it would offend you just as much to see a crossed out swastica.

Freedom of Speech has a limit, and that's when it incites violence. When that happens, the cuffs go on the wrists. Until then, it's all good.

 

[Cliff_m85]

I am against gay marriage, but I also despise Fred Phelps and his flock. They are a stain on the face of this earth; shouting their hate from the rooftops like they do. The good news is that people hate them pretty much everywhere they go, and we've all stopped caring about them. The fastest way to make them go away is to simply stop giving them the attention and press they so desperately want.

If you're against it then why do you despise them? Why are you against it?

I am against gay marriage because I simply do not believe it is right (morally or biologically). I can be against gay marriage and not hate gay people. I assure you it is completely possible. I even have some gay friends, and we get along just fine. One does not have to agree with someone else's lifestyle in order to accept them. There are always differences. Sometimes they just need to be overlooked. Nobody is perfect.

I'm against the Phelps protests because he and his crew only serve to do two things:

1. Preach nothing but hate and make life miserable for good people that have done nothing wrong.

2. They grossly misrepresent Christianity and make us ALL look bad. They only hurt - never help.

Because it's not morally or biologically right. I don't understand that, but Fred Phelps certainly does. Biologically, it's obviously natural as shown through actual observations in nature. Morally it harms no one. It's consentual so I see nothing wrong with it. I certain you can have gay friends and accept them, just as many accepted blacks but didn't want them in their schools or with their sister or voting. This may be offensive to you, I'm not particularly sorry for that but I urge you to maybe research your beliefs on human beings that doesn't involve supernatural hokum before judging their actions.

1. The Bible preaches hate, they preach the Bible. Cas closed.
2. Actually they totally represent Christianity. I personally think that they don't need to make the religion look bad, it does that by itself from it's own text.

 

[Skeleon]

So once again you admit that the swastica does nothing but the protestors bearing the swastica are the ones what are doing the harm? I find it ignorant since it's obviously just a symbol. Once again, content is not important....context is. If the swastica was the problem, and it is not, then it would offend you just as much to see a crossed out swastica.

Well, of course the context is what matters. But if it's not a.) crossed-out or b.) in a Buddhist-temple (or c.), otherwise clearly not fascist), the meaning is obviously one of racism and anti-democracy.
The sense of the law is to stop the glorification of Nazi "ideas" and "values", obviously people enforcing it have to check the context.

Freedom of Speech has a limit, and that's when it incites violence.

And protesters physically assaulting gays counts as...?

 

[KarumaK]

Gay marriage is fine, the protests are also fine. They have a right to protest no matter how annoying as long as they do so without resorting to violence. If you really wanna fuck with them counter protest, not at their protests though. Protest them everywhere they go, except when the protest then ignore them. Work in shifts give them no peace and just make their lives hell. Don't protest their ideas either they'd like that protest them, protest their very existence.

God does not hate fags. If it exists it doesn't give two shits about them or any other humans. We'd be less than germs to it and it would simply wonder what the fuck we were doing worshiping it.

I do have a problem with Christianity having so many branches though. I think it needs to go back to being just Catholics. Having Baptists, Jeho Wits, and whatever else there is is odd. I really just want people to remain consistent the book says what it says stop interpreting if it matters they wrote it down. If it's not written there say you don't know and move on.

 

[tsb247]

That's blather, pure and simple. What you do is a part of who you are. Homosexuality being the sin but the homosexual not being hated is just idiotic since the homosexual can only express physical love through homosexual contact. This contact is a part of who they are, thus the 'sin' is part of who the sinner is. Christ was a scapegoat in all technical words. He died for sins that we didn't commit (we all have sins from Adam, right?) that we didn't ask for. Not to mention the completely immoral claim that you can use someone else as your scapegoat. If I do something wrong, no one can take the punishment for me since it is my duty to make up for my errors. The Westboro Baptist Church are more wise in the Biblical study than your church, simply because they don't agree with apologetics as you obviously do. The Biblical account of history is wrong for the most part, the science is mainly wrong, and the morals are outdated by far. It hurts society, as seen by these discussions. Maybe one day our species will be more logical and dismiss the nonsense, but it's mired with superstition and fear so it'll take quite awhile.

You obviously know very little about Christianity to be able to say that the Westboro church understands Christianity correctly. You also obviously know nothing of the new testament. Christianity is about forgiveness and love; not hate and death.

The morals are outdated by far? What morals are you speaking of? NOT being gay? Is it ok to steal, rape, murder, and lie now? I guess I should put the word out. Apparently we are all doing it wrong now.

It is also quite obvious that you have never studied history from a Biblical perspective either. While many Biblical historical accounts are indeed incorrect, there are also quite a few that are quite accutate. You could physically go to Israel right now and touch a wall of King Solomon's temple if you wanted to. Parts of Biblical history are indeed backed up with real fact. Others are not... Sure, there is debate, but there are other parts that are simply not debated because they are backed up by facts.

It's really quite sad that you know so little about the subject. You may not believe... It's obvious that you don't, but seriously... If you don't know what you are talking about, then just don't say anything.

 

[Cliff_m85]

So once again you admit that the swastica does nothing but the protestors bearing the swastica are the ones what are doing the harm? I find it ignorant since it's obviously just a symbol. Once again, content is not important....context is. If the swastica was the problem, and it is not, then it would offend you just as much to see a crossed out swastica.

Well, of course the context is what matters. But if it's not a.) crossed-out or b.) in a Buddhist-temple (or c.), otherwise clearly not fascist), the meaning is obviously one of racism and anti-democracy.
The sense of the law is to stop the glorification of Nazi "ideas" and "values", obviously people enforcing it have to check the context.

Freedom of Speech has a limit, and that's when it incites violence.

And protesters physically assaulting gays counts as...?

You are arguing against the meaning then? The symbol means nothing, without it they'd just shout out slurs. To censor a symbol is idiotic because it gives the symbol more power. It's the equivilant of '******' in America. Incredibly offensive word by all means, but only due to it's rarity and stigma behind it. Now if I called you a '******-lover', by all means you'd be upset by my racism rather than my implication that you love black people. By far that term would make blood boil. But now if I said "Fuck you" which is directed at you, most people wouldn't bat an eye. "Fuck" is so often used that the power is diluted. It's like you ordering white meat or dark meat from a piece of chicken simply to avoid saying 'breast' (which is what started those very terms historically). Censuring 'fuck' would cause two things....
1) Giving 'fuck' more intrigue
2) Making 'fuck' more offensive and thus more powerful

As to physically assaulting gays, that is a hate crime. But we are talking verbally and not physically.

 

[bluepilot]

The right to freedom of speech means that we all have to put up with people saying things we do not want to hear or agree with.

`God hates fags` sounds like something a very immature and stupid 12 year old would say, never mind make a website, and I do not think that they should be allowed to use such offensive language near schools. Maybe `Christians against honosexuality` or `Repent for your sins` would be more appropriate.

I am an agnostic who was raised Christian, and to me it seems that all of this hate mongering is a far cry away from the message of brotherly love and tolerence that Jesus taught...

But, the main problem with Christians like this is, that they always somehow think they are doing the right thing `in the name of God` so you cannot argue about it because it is `God`s will`, and yet, they seem to have missed something...I guess you could call it compassion...

 

[Cliff_m85]

That's blather, pure and simple. What you do is a part of who you are. Homosexuality being the sin but the homosexual not being hated is just idiotic since the homosexual can only express physical love through homosexual contact. This contact is a part of who they are, thus the 'sin' is part of who the sinner is. Christ was a scapegoat in all technical words. He died for sins that we didn't commit (we all have sins from Adam, right?) that we didn't ask for. Not to mention the completely immoral claim that you can use someone else as your scapegoat. If I do something wrong, no one can take the punishment for me since it is my duty to make up for my errors. The Westboro Baptist Church are more wise in the Biblical study than your church, simply because they don't agree with apologetics as you obviously do. The Biblical account of history is wrong for the most part, the science is mainly wrong, and the morals are outdated by far. It hurts society, as seen by these discussions. Maybe one day our species will be more logical and dismiss the nonsense, but it's mired with superstition and fear so it'll take quite awhile.

You obviously know very little about Christianity to be able to say that the Westboro church understands Christianity correctly. You also obviously know nothing of the new testament. Christianity is about forgiveness and love; not hate and death.

The morals are outdated by far? What morals are you speaking of? NOT being gay? Is it ok to steal, rape, murder, and lie now? I guess I should put the word out. Apparently we are all doing it wrong now.

It is also quite obvious that you have never studied history from a Biblical perspective either. While many Biblical historical accounts are indeed incorrect, there are also quite a few that are quite accutate. You could physically go to Israel right now and touch a wall of King Solomon's temple if you wanted to. Parts of Biblical history are indeed backed up with real fact. Others are not... Sure, there is debate, but there are other parts that are simply not debated because they are backed up by facts.

It's really quite sad that you know so little about the subject. You may not believe... It's obvious that you don't, but seriously... If you don't know what you are talking about, then just don't say anything.

Rather I'd think that it's obvious how much picking and choosing you do, relying on apologetics. Your choice though, but I won't respect it as much as I would of the literalists.

Yes, it is ok to lie now. As for rape, it's punished harsher now than in Biblical days when it involves an unmarried virgin (Deuteronomy 22:28-29). How about blasphemy? That's perfectly ok.

I never said all historic accounts of the Bible are incorrect, only most of them. That alone should show that the 'perfect word of god' is not nearly as perfect. Add the scientific errors and you have more evidence.

If you want to start a personal messaging debate, I'm certain I can hold my ground on the Bible, the Quran, and a few other religious texts. I won't agree with the apologetical grounds you base your belief on, but you'd see I have read and understood the literal book.

 

[Skeleon]

You are arguing against the meaning then? The symbol means nothing, without it they'd just shout out slurs.

That is where you're wrong! The meaning of the symbol allows for worse things to happen. A group of Nazis rallying around the symbol, willing to be organized, willing to do greater evil as a group.
A lone racist is an asshole.
A group of racists is a danger to society.

To censor a symbol is idiotic because it gives the symbol more power.

Well, the fascination may grow, but there's no increasing number of Nazis because the symbol is banned.
Your analogy doesn't work here, because it's about more than using a racist word, it's about flocking to a racist banner, doing racist acts and crimes. It's a whole other dimension of racism we're talking about when we're talking about Neo-Nazi groups.

 

[rainman2203]

WBC is ballsy if anything. I hate what they say, do, believe, and preach but you can't fault them for being cowards. If only there was some gay extremist group out there- one well placed car bomb could wipe out most of their little congregation...

As for the act of protesting, yeah they should be allowed to, but there is nothing good coming from what they say. Even if you've had your head smashed with a Bible all your life and think gay marriage is a sin, you have to admit the hate spewing from these individuals is disgraceful at best and downright repulsive at worst. They are too far disconnected from the God they claim to represent to realize the pain and hate they bring into this world.

And if you haven't gleamed it thus far, I support gay marriage. Its not my bag, but I'll take the average gay couple any day over the white-trash meth-making Republican-voting couples that frequent my local Walmart.

 

[Cliff_m85]

The right to freedom of speech means that we all have to put up with people saying things we do not want to hear or agree with.

`God hates fags` sounds like something a very immature and stupid 12 year old would say, never mind make a website, and I do not think that they should be allowed to use such offensive language near schools. Maybe `Christians against honosexuality` or `Repent for your sins` would be more appropriate.

I am an agnostic who was raised Christian, and to me it seems that all of this hate mongering is a far cry away from the message of brotherly love and tolerence that Jesus taught...

But, the main problem with Christians like this is, that they always somehow think they are doing the right thing `in the name of God` so you cannot argue about it because it is `God`s will`, and yet, they seem to have missed something...I guess you could call it compassion...

I don't see how "God hates fags" is more offensive than "repent for your sins" when both are directed at the consentual love-making activities of adults or the consentual attraction of two older teenagers of the same sex.

Agnosticism isn't about belief. It's about knowing. Do you know there is a god? Yes or no. I'd say no, you'd say no, every sane person would say no. There's no way to know. But do you believe in a god? I'd say no. You answer yes, you're a theist. You answer no, you're an atheist. I don't know isn't a valid answer. You either believe in some small way or you don't.

 

[tsb247]

I am against gay marriage, but I also despise Fred Phelps and his flock. They are a stain on the face of this earth; shouting their hate from the rooftops like they do. The good news is that people hate them pretty much everywhere they go, and we've all stopped caring about them. The fastest way to make them go away is to simply stop giving them the attention and press they so desperately want.

If you're against it then why do you despise them? Why are you against it?

I am against gay marriage because I simply do not believe it is right (morally or biologically). I can be against gay marriage and not hate gay people. I assure you it is completely possible. I even have some gay friends, and we get along just fine. One does not have to agree with someone else's lifestyle in order to accept them. There are always differences. Sometimes they just need to be overlooked. Nobody is perfect.

I'm against the Phelps protests because he and his crew only serve to do two things:

1. Preach nothing but hate and make life miserable for good people that have done nothing wrong.

2. They grossly misrepresent Christianity and make us ALL look bad. They only hurt - never help.

Because it's not morally or biologically right. I don't understand that, but Fred Phelps certainly does. Biologically, it's obviously natural as shown through actual observations in nature. Morally it harms no one. It's consentual so I see nothing wrong with it. I certain you can have gay friends and accept them, just as many accepted blacks but didn't want them in their schools or with their sister or voting. This may be offensive to you, I'm not particularly sorry for that but I urge you to maybe research your beliefs on human beings that doesn't involve supernatural hokum before judging their actions.

1. The Bible preaches hate, they preach the Bible. Cas closed.
2. Actually they totally represent Christianity. I personally think that they don't need to make the religion look bad, it does that by itself from it's own text.

So it's ok for you to attack my beliefs and insult my intelligence for believing what I do, but I cannot disagree with gays being allowed to marry because it does not fit your moral standards? As if my moral standards are somehow wrong?

Seriously, you could not be more ignorant...

And biologically, being gay is wrong. It is what can be referred to as a genetic dead end. If one cannot reproduce, then the genes cannot be passed on. Therefore, that line ends. That's why males and females are needed to produce offspring. Humans aren't asexual... As much as some would want us to be.

 

[Cliff_m85]

I am against gay marriage, but I also despise Fred Phelps and his flock. They are a stain on the face of this earth; shouting their hate from the rooftops like they do. The good news is that people hate them pretty much everywhere they go, and we've all stopped caring about them. The fastest way to make them go away is to simply stop giving them the attention and press they so desperately want.

If you're against it then why do you despise them? Why are you against it?

I am against gay marriage because I simply do not believe it is right (morally or biologically). I can be against gay marriage and not hate gay people. I assure you it is completely possible. I even have some gay friends, and we get along just fine. One does not have to agree with someone else's lifestyle in order to accept them. There are always differences. Sometimes they just need to be overlooked. Nobody is perfect.

I'm against the Phelps protests because he and his crew only serve to do two things:

1. Preach nothing but hate and make life miserable for good people that have done nothing wrong.

2. They grossly misrepresent Christianity and make us ALL look bad. They only hurt - never help.

Because it's not morally or biologically right. I don't understand that, but Fred Phelps certainly does. Biologically, it's obviously natural as shown through actual observations in nature. Morally it harms no one. It's consentual so I see nothing wrong with it. I certain you can have gay friends and accept them, just as many accepted blacks but didn't want them in their schools or with their sister or voting. This may be offensive to you, I'm not particularly sorry for that but I urge you to maybe research your beliefs on human beings that doesn't involve supernatural hokum before judging their actions.

1. The Bible preaches hate, they preach the Bible. Cas closed.
2. Actually they totally represent Christianity. I personally think that they don't need to make the religion look bad, it does that by itself from it's own text.

So it's ok for you to attack my beliefs and insult my intelligence for believing what I do, but I cannot disagree with gays being allowed to marry because it does not fit your moral standards? As if my moral standards are somehow wrong?

Seriously, you could not be more ignorant...

And biologically, being gay is wrong. It is what can be referred to as a genetic dead end. If one cannot reproduce, then the genes cannot be passed on. Therefore, that line ends. That's why males and females are needed to produce offspring. Humans aren't asexual... As much as some would want us to be.

You have every right to disagree with homosexuality. I have every right to attack your beliefs and question your intelligence for disagreeing with homosexuality. That's how freedom of speech works.

Biologically sex isn't completely for passing on genetic information. Suggesting it does is a complete nonsensical when you view nature and biological science. An argument was make the same with mixed race sex with just the same methodation of biology....we don't see dogs having sex with cats now do we? It's an ignorant mindset with several assertions that fall piece by piece when viewed logically.

 

[Skeleon]

And biologically, being gay is wrong. It is what can be referred to as a genetic dead end. If one cannot reproduce, then the genes cannot be passed on. Therefore, that line ends. That's why males and females are needed to produce offspring. Humans aren't asexual... As much as some would want us to be.

Well, but homosexuality is a known part of animal life anyway. It's part of societal animals such as some species of monkeys as well as penguins and a whole bunch others. There's a list of them on wiki I believe. Scientists currently think that homosexual behaviour is used for societal uses, not for gene propagation. What uses, you may ask? Well, as rewards, punishments, for the relieving of stress, emotional bonding. What could be more natural than what animals are doing?

 

[Cliff_m85]

You are arguing against the meaning then? The symbol means nothing, without it they'd just shout out slurs.

That is where you're wrong! The meaning of the symbol allows for worse things to happen. A group of Nazis rallying around the symbol, willing to be organized, willing to do greater evil as a group.
A lone racist is an asshole.
A group of racists is a danger to society.

To censor a symbol is idiotic because it gives the symbol more power.

Well, the fascination may grow, but there's no increasing number of Nazis because the symbol is banned.
Your analogy doesn't work here, because it's about more than using a racist word, it's about flocking to a racist banner, doing racist acts and crimes. It's a whole other dimension of racism we're talking about when we're talking about Neo-Nazi groups.

I disagree. A symbol doesn't organize or rally groups of people, rather an idea does. Without the symbol there would still be a rallying. What symbol did the American's use against the swastica during the war? None, but plenty rallied against the Nazis.

I doubt there's no increasing number of Nazis because they can be dispelled with factual information if they are rational, not because you took away an oddly formed X. People flock towards words just the same as symbols. Evidence: Liberal, Democrat, Conservative, NeoCon, Libertarian, Atheist, Thiest, Pro-Life, Pro-Choice. All verbal banners. I think racism is racism, there is no 'uber-racism'.

 

[Cliff_m85]

And biologically, being gay is wrong. It is what can be referred to as a genetic dead end. If one cannot reproduce, then the genes cannot be passed on. Therefore, that line ends. That's why males and females are needed to produce offspring. Humans aren't asexual... As much as some would want us to be.

Well, but homosexuality is a known part of animal life anyway. It's part of societal animals such as some species of monkeys as well as penguins and a whole bunch others. There's a list of them on wiki I believe. Scientists currently think that homosexual behaviour is used for societal uses, not for gene propagation. What uses, you may ask? Well, as rewards, punishments, for the relieving of stress, emotional bonding. What could be more natural than what animals are doing?

Mind you that the biological action of sex is a waste anyway. No man has yet had his partner birth millions of children from one sexual encounter. Add the evolutionary necessity to provide nerve endings on the organs themselves, which is because an organism needs some sort of benefit to partake in an action. If all organisms were heterosexual, we'd be overrun quite quickly. That's why there are asexuals and homosexuals in the animal kingdom.