Cliff_m85 said:
Mimsofthedawg said:
xmetatr0nx said:
Oh these people again. What can i say that hasnt already been said about them, yes theyre off their fucking rocker. This thread is all over the place though, on one hand you have the crazies and on the other you have a serious social political issue. Very poorly done OP. Weve done the gay marriage thing to death already here, theres not much left to say that hasnt been said already.
Yea, I just got finished with a flame war a that lasted a full three days! Heavy casualities were mounting.
At any rate, the Westboro baptist church doesn't understand Christianity. God loves the sinner, hates the sin. They don't represent mainstream theology or mainstream anti-gay-marriage people. They're crazy even for people against gay marriage. These people would just as soon bring genocide against homosexuals, where as most people who are anti-gay simply don't want marriage stuff to pertain to them.
I disagree. They obviously do understand Christianity, especially after watching interviews with the haggard looking female bridge-troll who actually knows her stuff. They don't represent mainstream theology, they represent true theology....the people who don't ignore the "for their blood be upon them" or the Deuteronomy 22: 22-29's of the Bible nor do they put a fluffy whip of apologetics over them. God does hate homosexuals enough to call for their death at one point, a death by believers and not by him. Ofcourse the Westboro would love genocide against homosexuals.......because they know their Bible.
No, they abuse Torah. In the terms of Yeshua, "the Law was made for man, man was not made for the law,"
Within Torah, there are 613 laws. They all are very comprehensive and Jesus rose the bar on almost all of them. But what he came to preach is a message of repentance and grace. What you so arrogantly ignore is the fact that in Deuteronomy, it talks about if people repent from their ways and offer sacrifices for their sins, they will be forgiven. God takes this message of grace a step further by consistently offering people who are not anywhere near worthy of love an opportunity of grace. He showed grace with David, Samson, etc. You talk about the law as though it was set in stone, but you don't understand God. God is not under the law. We are not under it either, but rather are completed by it. Samson, for example, was a great judge in Israel, but he was plagued by sexual promiscuity; he broke laws that are punishable by stoning. Yet God was slow to anger and didn't concede to punishment until he slept with a certain Philistine woman. David had 900 wives and another 900 concubines, but didn't get punished till he committed adultery with one. God is very slow to anger.
The message of Torah is right - they do deserve to die. But so do all of us. Adultery is punishable by death. Yet Jesus said that anyone who looks upon a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in her heart. I don't see God smiting people left and right. We can never complete the law. The Law completes us. It completes us by showing us the message of grace and Love God has for his people. When you add up the law* and the prophets, that's what you get - love. These aren't apologetic, it's the basic Christian doctrine established by Yeshua himself. These people do NOT understand Christianity, they abuse the Law. But if they really understood the law, they would feed the hungry, take care of the poor, watch after the wretched, take in the widows - they'd stop being so obsessed with self-righteousness and judging and begin doing what the Law actually commands; care for those around you. Again, this isn't apologetics, but is a consistent theme throughout the Bible, particularly in the Old Testament.
Yeshua also says to condemn someone in their sin condemns yourself - being the condemner is far worse than being the condemned. According to his teachings, these people should be struck by God's wrath. But he hasn't done that yet. Why? Because he's gracious, because just as homosexuals are found in sin, so are they, and God wants them to be found in his love, not his hate.
