Poll: Controversial Protests
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Biblically sound. A valid point actually presented in the Bible. God does hate homosexuals and has suggested that at one point in history they should be murdered.Florion said:
So? I'm still just seeing words. When those words grab a baseball bat, lemme know. Then we'll have a hate crime.
No and no.
Marriage is a religious institution between a man and a woman. Raising a child with two mothers or two fathers could cause psychological damage, etc.
My opinion on homosexuality is that gays are people just like everyone else. However, your actions define who you are, not your feelings. Why would God hate someone for the feelings they have? You can't choose feelings. You can choose your actions, but not your feelings. I am against sodomy, etc.; but I do not hate homosexuals, they're just people like everyone else and thus can choose their actions.
You can probably gather from my already-provided opinions that I feel this protest is retarded. And yes, I am aware that I probably have the least popular opinion on the planet.
Marriage is a religious institution between a man and a woman. Raising a child with two mothers or two fathers could cause psychological damage, etc.
My opinion on homosexuality is that gays are people just like everyone else. However, your actions define who you are, not your feelings. Why would God hate someone for the feelings they have? You can't choose feelings. You can choose your actions, but not your feelings. I am against sodomy, etc.; but I do not hate homosexuals, they're just people like everyone else and thus can choose their actions.
You can probably gather from my already-provided opinions that I feel this protest is retarded. And yes, I am aware that I probably have the least popular opinion on the planet.
You know how we tend to give the law more weight than we do God? E.g. "You're welcome in our country, but you can't beat your wife just because your religion says you can?" It's the same idea here.Cliff_m85 said:
Those are words with meaning. I'll gladly let you know that the effect of homophobia on a gay person's ability to get a job, mental health, and feeling of being accepted in society is enough that I believe the protest represents a hate crime.
SHIT i voted yes yes instead of yes no, you need to be more specific with you polls,
Look in a gay relation ship, each one of the gay parents takes up a role, one father, one mother, Por enjemplo, you know those feminine gays and then theres those masculine gays. I cant say thats exactly how it works, im probably wrong though, Though I am sure there is still a mother and father, there just one gender
Look in a gay relation ship, each one of the gay parents takes up a role, one father, one mother, Por enjemplo, you know those feminine gays and then theres those masculine gays. I cant say thats exactly how it works, im probably wrong though, Though I am sure there is still a mother and father, there just one gender
No, that wouldn't be a hate crime. It would be an idiot expressing an idiotic belief that would not be challenged at all if it wasn't made public by them opening them mouth. When you say you hate blacks, you are allowing for someone to ask why. With that you may learn. With being forced to remain silent, you grow with your hate.Glefistus said:
Hypothetically ofcourse.
Words don't have meaning, context does. Word's don't hurt at all, context does.Florion said:
1) ****** is a bad word.
2) I hate Niggers.
Same 'bad' word, but one statement is offensive and the other isn't.
I'm against homophobia, but free speech is free speech. A hate crime is more than someone disagreeing with you, otherwise it'd be a hate crime for me to say that religion is nonsense (bytheway, religion is nonsense) because it could 'effect' a theist's feelings of being accepted.
Glefistus said:
Really? Simple question to you: Are there more, less, or the same amount of numbers of Klan members today than there were 50 years ago?
With that, you know that I'm correct. If they weren't allowed to speak they'd do the damned 'persecution' complex thing and feel righteous.
Free speech is free speech. I'm okay with that.Cliff_m85 said:
What about the context of a protest? A mob of people outside a school saying that the gay students are hated by god, under his curse? I think they should be allowed to go to school without dealing with that - if it's not hate crime, it's bullying at least.
So you're actual opinion, is that religious fundamentalism and/or extremism is "True" Christianity? Then you go on to slate one of the most important religious artifacts in the world? Furthermore, they're worth more RESPECT? Are you kidding me?Cliff_m85 said:
So let's give you the benefit of the doubt, and say you're not a troll. That "opinion" is still patronizing and negatively provocative. I suggest you at least tone it down a -little- bit.
It certainly had a faithful context, a religious opinion based off of the texts of the Bible. They never once did anything violent. Thus, it's not a hate crime since no crime was committed. Certainly there is hate involved......but no crime.Lukeje said:
Yes, I personally think that LITERALISM of the Bible produces the closest thing to being a true Christian as possible. Ignoring the ignorance, sexism, homophobia, and random hatred in the Bible is a common thing for most Christians (pick-and-choosers) but these people have the balls to actually stand by most of them. I think they're crazy delusional idiots, but they truly believe what they're preaching and try as hard as possible to take the literal interpretation of biblical teachings. That makes them more worthy of respect than those who are manipulating the text with apologetics.infernovolver said:
That's my true opinion, even if you may disagree with it. Mind you that I hate those bastards, but damned if they don't stick to literalism better than most others.
Certainly bullying, and at a public school they wouldn't be allowed on the actual campus. At a private school it's up to the administration. Homosexual students deal with that kind of attitude usually, so I don't see the difference of one day a huge group of idiots decide to yell at the school. If I were there I'd post the verses of Deuteronomy 22: 22-29 to show that I really don't care what laws an archaic book full of hatred lays forth.Florion said:
Insults can be hate crimes (at least according to wikipedia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime], though bear in mind I'm no lawyer. The links at the bottom should provide some more credible evidence if you can be bothered to look). So what we have are insulting messages targeting a specific group of people => Hate Crime.Cliff_m85 said:
