Poll: Daniel Tosh threatens Woman with Gang Rape

[kickyourass]

Rape jokes CAN be funny, in the same way that jumping from a 3 story window CAN be survived, it's definitly possible, but rarely worth it.

Well Daniel Tosh's main category of comedy is dark humor. Sometimes it delves into incredibly dark areas. Being offended at what he does is like being offended at Lisa Lampanelli for calling any man that looks even slightly effeminate a ******.

Its just what they do.

So because he uses 'dark humor' he's immune from criticism? Fuck how come no one told me comedy was that easy?

Dark humor is about making fun of tragedy. Saying Daniel Tosh should not do dark humor is like saying you can only do knock knock jokes without the knock knock part.

It defeats the point.

But he wasn't doing 'dark humor' he was being an asshole. I don't object at all to dark humor, when done right it's probably my favorite form of comedy. I object to the idea that because someone does 'dark humor' that you can't call them out when they're just being a douche bag or just plain not funny.

May I point out the question posed by the poll

""Is rape acceptable to joke about?""

And the OPs answers

"no
no
definitely No"

The answer, however, is yes, and anyone on this thread mad at tosh not because he sucks at his job, but because it happened to include the mention of rape, is wrong. You can say he did it badly, but saying you can't joke about rape AT ALL, is wrong. And unfortunately, that's the stance the OP takes, that you can NEVER joke about rape, and tosh should be punished for bringing it up. That's wrong.

agree?

I agree, but would you not also agree that it's kind of bullshit for someone to declare that you can't criticise a comedian's actions on stage because it's "Dark Humor" or 'what they always do?'

Rape jokes CAN be funny, in the same way that jumping from a 3 story window CAN be survived, it's definitly possible, but rarely worth it.

Well Daniel Tosh's main category of comedy is dark humor. Sometimes it delves into incredibly dark areas. Being offended at what he does is like being offended at Lisa Lampanelli for calling any man that looks even slightly effeminate a ******.

Its just what they do.

So because he uses 'dark humor' he's immune from critisism? Fuck how come no one told me comedy was that easy?

Dark humor is about making fun of tragedy. Saying Daniel Tosh should not do dark humor is like saying you can only do knock knock jokes without the knock knock part.

It defeats the point.

But he wasn't doing 'dark humor' he was being an asshole. I don't object at all to dark humor, when done right it's probably my favorite form of comedy. I object to the idea that because someone does 'dark humor' that you can't call them out when they're just being a douche bag or just plain not funny.

When Dark Humor's entire point is to joke about tragedy, it can be considered assholish by people. However, its worthy to point out its a show. Daniel Tosh is no more real than Steven Colbert or Lisa Lampanelli. A fake persona that people like, and pay to see.

People need to learn to separate stage personalities from the person.

Yeah it probably is a persona, does that somehow mean I can't point out that when his persona's being an unfunny asshole? I know Daniel Tosh probably isn't like that in his day to day life, but if he always acts like a douche on stage I think it's completely appropriate to say 'That guy's a douche."

No its not. Because you are interrupting a performance. Its like interrupting a live performance to scream "THE MAIN CHARACTER IS A DICK."

That's the point. You don't need to interrupt a performance to state the persona's main goal.

FUCKING OBVIOUSLY it's not appropriate to interrupt the performance to say it, if you have something to say directly to the performer it can probably wait till after the show. But if someone's being an asshole it's still appropriote for someone to point it out, maybe not then and there, but at some point.

 

[RoBi3.0]

I am constantly hearing how some are saying Daniel is ok or funny because he performs dark humor. I understand the comedy does stem some from cynicism, but it needs to at least be funny, not insulting. He sounds more like a uppity rich douche bag who feels he can talk down to everyone because he can. But talking down on people because they are not as well off as him and talking about rape as a joke, is not funny. It is insulting and offensive. I wouldn't be surprised if the guy himself in fact has raped people, as most people I hear who jokes about rape, just so happen to be rapers.

WTF?

So people who joke about rape are rapist. That is a hairy ass generalization if I have ever heard one. Just thought I would point that out.

I am not going to defend Tosh's actions cause, hell he is a douche that is kind of the point of his act. Love him or hate him for his comedy, I am sure of one thing he more then like doesn't give a shit about what people think of him.


EDIT: Also proclaiming "I am offended" is just admitting that you are unable to control you emotions, so you want everyone to do it for you.

 

[SnakeoilSage]

Rape jokes can be funny. Any joke can be funny. Nothing is completely and utterly off limits because intent and context are important.

Pretty messed up with Louis CK is the classier choice in this debate.

 

[itsthesheppy]

Team Dickwolves reporting in!

Whenever I see something like this, it always makes me feel off because I can't help but look at the subtext as "I know it's not a popular position to take, but I'm making a STAND against rape victims and the things that hurt them. Vote YES on RAPE!"

Anyway...

I'm really unimpressed with Tosh on this one, mostly because he found himself in a really tough spot for a comedian and totally botched it. There's ways to handle a heckle like that, most of them involve deflection. Turn the situation into a joke, make people laugh off the awkwardness, and move on with the show.

Instead, he all but advertised horrible violence against a specific woman. A kind of violence we see time and again in the real world. A type of violence that I have never found funny, nor do I think there is a comedian working today who could make it funny.

and the delivery! Ugh... it was like a frat boy talking to his chums, not a professional comedian handling a heckler. He deserves to be made a pariah for a bit. Put the dunce cap on him. What a tool.

 

[Sansha]

Tosh has been attention whoring and acting like a spoiled man-child on his stupid show for a while now.

He used to be funny, when it was actually about the collection of funny shit he'd found on the internet, then he made his show all about himself. Now he just stands there doing borderline Jackass shit and spouting garbage like this, fuck him.

Rape jokes can be funny. Any joke can be funny. Nothing is completely and utterly off limits because intent and context are important.

That's not a rape joke, that's a Hitler joke, which is fair game for everybody.

 

[iamzombie]

If you paid money to go to a Tosh show and don't like his style of humor, there is no help for you. It'd be like paying money to see Slayer in concert, but you don't like metal.

Also, if you have thin skin and can't take a joke, keep your mouth shut when at a comedy show, regardless of how offended you may be. Drawing attention to yourself is only going to make you a huge target for 90% of comedians out there they are likely to draw blood (metaphorically speaking, of course)

Rape isn't funny, but a lot of jokes about it are.

 

[Darkmantle]

I am constantly hearing how some are saying Daniel is ok or funny because he performs dark humor. I understand the comedy does stem some from cynicism, but it needs to at least be funny, not insulting. He sounds more like a uppity rich douche bag who feels he can talk down to everyone because he can. People like Richard Pryor and George Carlin.. they were funny. Granted there are times they may do something that could be offensive and insulting, but at least they also often do something funny. But talking down on people because they are not as well off as him and talking about rape as a joke, is not funny. It is insulting and offensive. I wouldn't be surprised if the guy himself in fact has raped people, as most people I hear who jokes about rape, just so happen to be rapers.

Oh wow, I don't even know how to respond to this. People who tell rape jokes are rapists*? do you have some back up for that? That's a pretty bold statement


And George Carlin used rape in jokes ALL the time, so where's the crusade against him?

 

[RoBi3.0]

Team Dickwolves reporting in!

Whenever I see something like this, it always makes me feel off because I can't help but look at the subtext as "I know it's not a popular position to take, but I'm making a STAND against rape victims and the things that hurt them. Vote YES on RAPE!"

Anyway...

I'm really unimpressed with Tosh on this one, mostly because he found himself in a really tough spot for a comedian and totally botched it. There's ways to handle a heckle like that, most of them involve deflection. Turn the situation into a joke, make people laugh off the awkwardness, and move on with the show.

Instead, he all but advertised horrible violence against a specific woman. A kind of violence we see time and again in the real world. A type of violence that I have never found funny, nor do I think there is a comedian working today who could make it funny.

and the delivery! Ugh... it was like a frat boy talking to his chums, not a professional comedian handling a heckler. He deserves to be made a pariah for a bit. Put the dunce cap on him. What a tool.

You have a point about how he could have handled it. It could have been better. If I were him I would have just stopped what I was doing and asked the woman if she had ever seen his acted before, and if she had then asked her why the hell she was here. Every time I have ever seen Tosh he has done a bit on rape. I would think most people going to his show would have realized what they were in for.

 

[DJjaffacake]

But talking down on people because they are not as well off as him

Wait, did I miss something? When did this have anything to do with her being less well off than him?

I wouldn't be surprised if the guy himself in fact has raped people, as most people I hear who jokes about rape, just so happen to be rapers.

Just no. It's rapists anyway.

 

[him over there]

Tosh has been attention whoring and acting like a spoiled man-child on his stupid show for a while now.

He used to be funny, when it was actually about the collection of funny shit he'd found on the internet, then he made his show all about himself. Now he just stands there doing borderline Jackass shit and spouting garbage like this, fuck him.

Rape jokes can be funny. Any joke can be funny. Nothing is completely and utterly off limits because intent and context are important.

That's not a rape joke, that's a Hitler joke, which is fair game for everybody.

Did you miss the part at the end? You should never rape any... unless you have a good reason like you want to fuck them and they won't let you. Might want to watch past 0:44.

 

[MarlonBlazed]

/thread

http://www.buzzfeed.com/amyodell/comedy-club-owner-says-daniel-tosh-incident-has-be

tl;dr the woman complained to management which in turn gave her two free tickets to another show which the woman accepted. Daniel Tosh never even said "wouldn't it be funny if 5 guys just raped her."

Too bad no one will read this and continue on there personal crusade against him.

 

[The Almighty Aardvark]

OP must be trolling. There's no other reasonable explanation.

Either that or OP has an opinion. But that would just be implausible.

The biggest thing that stands out for me is that it WOULDN'T be at all funny if they did. That's not even a joke. In fact, if I were her I'd be pretty damn scared. It'd be like someone saying, "Wouldn't it be funny if someone pulled out a gun RIGHT NOW and spilled her brain all over the floor?". Being in a massive room with a huge mob of people I'd be scared shitless that there was one person who legitimately thought it would be funny. The thing is dark humor isn't funny at all to me if there's a target, namely a target who's present. At that point it just comes off as a threat, and being a complete dick. I'm actually kind of scared by how many think on the Escapist think that saying something like that is acceptable, not to mention funny. Since when did implied threats = humor?

However, the poll is stupid. Rape, as well as murder and torture can be funny. That doesn't mean that it always is, but there are jokes that I legitimately find amusing. Although... you really need to pick your audience, if you're making rape jokes with a victim present you're just an ass.

/thread

http://www.buzzfeed.com/amyodell/comedy-club-owner-says-daniel-tosh-incident-has-be

tl;dr the woman complained to management which in turn gave her two free tickets to another show which the woman accepted. Daniel Tosh never even said "wouldn't it be funny if 5 guys just raped her."

If that's the case, then I don't really have an issue with what he said. Still surprised by how many people would have supported him if he did say it though.

 

[Darkmantle]

Rape jokes CAN be funny, in the same way that jumping from a 3 story window CAN be survived, it's definitly possible, but rarely worth it.

Well Daniel Tosh's main category of comedy is dark humor. Sometimes it delves into incredibly dark areas. Being offended at what he does is like being offended at Lisa Lampanelli for calling any man that looks even slightly effeminate a ******.

Its just what they do.

So because he uses 'dark humor' he's immune from criticism? Fuck how come no one told me comedy was that easy?

Dark humor is about making fun of tragedy. Saying Daniel Tosh should not do dark humor is like saying you can only do knock knock jokes without the knock knock part.

It defeats the point.

But he wasn't doing 'dark humor' he was being an asshole. I don't object at all to dark humor, when done right it's probably my favorite form of comedy. I object to the idea that because someone does 'dark humor' that you can't call them out when they're just being a douche bag or just plain not funny.

May I point out the question posed by the poll

""Is rape acceptable to joke about?""

And the OPs answers

"no
no
definitely No"

The answer, however, is yes, and anyone on this thread mad at tosh not because he sucks at his job, but because it happened to include the mention of rape, is wrong. You can say he did it badly, but saying you can't joke about rape AT ALL, is wrong. And unfortunately, that's the stance the OP takes, that you can NEVER joke about rape, and tosh should be punished for bringing it up. That's wrong.

agree?

I agree, but would you not also agree that it's kind of bullshit for someone to declare that you can't criticise a comedian's actions on stage because it's "Dark Humor" or 'what they always do?'

Not immune from criticism, but immune from attack based on the "content" of their act.

By content I mean what the jokes are about. Dead babies, holcaust, rape, w/e.

If there is a better word for what I'm trying to express, I can't think of it, sorry.

EDIT: the word I was looking for was SUBJECT! damn remembering a moment too late.

 

[Darkmantle]

/thread

http://www.buzzfeed.com/amyodell/comedy-club-owner-says-daniel-tosh-incident-has-be

tl;dr the woman complained to management which in turn gave her two free tickets to another show which the woman accepted. Daniel Tosh never even said "wouldn't it be funny if 5 guys just raped her."

Too bad no one will read this and continue on there personal crusade against him.

More people need to see this, quoting.

All this over hype. Playing the victim card has never been more successful.

EDIT: even if you think the owner is lying, it pays to hear the other side first.

 

[Depulcator]

I thought it was funny, Now I'm gonna watch every new video by him twice! So there!

 

[Drago-Morph]

She was a heckler.

Would you say the same thing about the black man the guy who played Kramer directed similar hate at? If not, why not?

EDIT: And, FYI, the context of the comedy club doesn't do anything to erase the context of privilege, and I'm not sure why you think it would.

Privilege? Privilege?! What, do you think rape is a crime that only happens to women? Men are automatically in a position of power over women and can rape any woman if they chose to? Women are the only rape victims ever and men are never traumatized by rapes from women? What the fuck is wrong with you?! Not only are you making a completely retarded point, but you're also comparing two completely different situations that have very, VERY little do with each other! Stop typing. Please. You've already proven you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

You're a Men's Rights activist, aren't you?
Please, tell me what it feels like to be a woman walking down the street at night when all of a sudden you see a man walking towards you. Describe the feeling of tension, and suspicion. The feeling you get when you realize that you cannot even walk down the street and have a sense of security, simply because you were born a woman.
When you hear your own mom describing these feelings, it begins to hit home.

See, now this is an argument I cannot stand.

No, I'm not a men's rights activist. I find men's position of power over women in society to be disgusting. But this argument is ridiculous because it implies both that women are helpless and men are invulnerable, neither of which are true and both of which are offensive.

See, the problem I have with women saying "you don't know what's it's like to walk down the street in fear for your safety!" is that, why, yes I do. I walk down the street at night and see some scary dude walking up to me? I'm terrified that he's going to just straight-up murder me.

"Rape" is not some kind of horrible experience inherent to all women, one that pervades their life and men could never comprehend. It is a crime that women can fear, if they choose. But the odds are that they won't get raped. As for men, we get to worry about being murdered or, indeed, raped ourselves. Again, we can fear it, or just have trust that we're not going to be a statistic.

What you describe is a sensation understood and experienced by men. It's not unique to women. Don't make it out to seem that being victimized is something that only women have to worry about or do worry about.

 

[itsthesheppy]

Team Dickwolves reporting in!

Whenever I see something like this, it always makes me feel off because I can't help but look at the subtext as "I know it's not a popular position to take, but I'm making a STAND against rape victims and the things that hurt them. Vote YES on RAPE!"

Anyway...

I'm really unimpressed with Tosh on this one, mostly because he found himself in a really tough spot for a comedian and totally botched it. There's ways to handle a heckle like that, most of them involve deflection. Turn the situation into a joke, make people laugh off the awkwardness, and move on with the show.

Instead, he all but advertised horrible violence against a specific woman. A kind of violence we see time and again in the real world. A type of violence that I have never found funny, nor do I think there is a comedian working today who could make it funny.

and the delivery! Ugh... it was like a frat boy talking to his chums, not a professional comedian handling a heckler. He deserves to be made a pariah for a bit. Put the dunce cap on him. What a tool.

You have a point about how he could have handled it. It could have been better. If I were him I would have just stopped what I was doing and asked the woman if she had ever seen his acted before, and if she had then asked her why the hell she was here. Every time I have ever seen Tosh he has done a bit on rape. I would think most people going to his show would have realized what they were in for.

Or you could just say, "Hey, look, it's just a show. Obviously rape is terrible. If you feel really offended, you're welcome to leave." Hell, I'd even offer a refund, you know? But to tell the audience that it would be "funny" if she were gang-raped? No, Tosh, it wouldn't be funny. Because if you were saying that in, say, the Sudan, it would be more a preview of coming attractions than a lame-ass non-joke.

 

[itsthesheppy]

She was a heckler.

Would you say the same thing about the black man the guy who played Kramer directed similar hate at? If not, why not?

EDIT: And, FYI, the context of the comedy club doesn't do anything to erase the context of privilege, and I'm not sure why you think it would.

Privilege? Privilege?! What, do you think rape is a crime that only happens to women? Men are automatically in a position of power over women and can rape any woman if they chose to? Women are the only rape victims ever and men are never traumatized by rapes from women? What the fuck is wrong with you?! Not only are you making a completely retarded point, but you're also comparing two completely different situations that have very, VERY little do with each other! Stop typing. Please. You've already proven you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

You're a Men's Rights activist, aren't you?
Please, tell me what it feels like to be a woman walking down the street at night when all of a sudden you see a man walking towards you. Describe the feeling of tension, and suspicion. The feeling you get when you realize that you cannot even walk down the street and have a sense of security, simply because you were born a woman.
When you hear your own mom describing these feelings, it begins to hit home.

See, now this is an argument I cannot stand.

No, I'm not a men's rights activist. I find men's position of power over women in society to be disgusting. But this argument is ridiculous because it implies both that women are helpless and men are invulnerable, neither of which are true and both of which are offensive.

See, the problem I have with women saying "you don't know what's it's like to walk down the street in fear for your safety!" is that, why, yes I do. I walk down the street at night and see some scary dude walking up to me? I'm terrified that he's going to just straight-up murder me.

"Rape" is not some kind of horrible experience inherent to all women, one that pervades their life and men could never comprehend. It is a crime that women can fear, if they choose...

*BUZZER NOISE*

Oh! And you were doing so well. Really, up until that point it really looked like you were zeroing in on a good point but it just got away from you there at the end. It's alright, it was a gamely attempt. Maybe brush up on some reading and try again next time?

Women don't choose to fear rape. Men choose to rape women, and women fear the possibility of that happening.

 

[Drago-Morph]

She was a heckler.

Would you say the same thing about the black man the guy who played Kramer directed similar hate at? If not, why not?

EDIT: And, FYI, the context of the comedy club doesn't do anything to erase the context of privilege, and I'm not sure why you think it would.

Privilege? Privilege?! What, do you think rape is a crime that only happens to women? Men are automatically in a position of power over women and can rape any woman if they chose to? Women are the only rape victims ever and men are never traumatized by rapes from women? What the fuck is wrong with you?! Not only are you making a completely retarded point, but you're also comparing two completely different situations that have very, VERY little do with each other! Stop typing. Please. You've already proven you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

You're a Men's Rights activist, aren't you?
Please, tell me what it feels like to be a woman walking down the street at night when all of a sudden you see a man walking towards you. Describe the feeling of tension, and suspicion. The feeling you get when you realize that you cannot even walk down the street and have a sense of security, simply because you were born a woman.
When you hear your own mom describing these feelings, it begins to hit home.

See, now this is an argument I cannot stand.

No, I'm not a men's rights activist. I find men's position of power over women in society to be disgusting. But this argument is ridiculous because it implies both that women are helpless and men are invulnerable, neither of which are true and both of which are offensive.

See, the problem I have with women saying "you don't know what's it's like to walk down the street in fear for your safety!" is that, why, yes I do. I walk down the street at night and see some scary dude walking up to me? I'm terrified that he's going to just straight-up murder me.

"Rape" is not some kind of horrible experience inherent to all women, one that pervades their life and men could never comprehend. It is a crime that women can fear, if they choose...

*BUZZER NOISE*

Oh! And you were doing so well. Really, up until that point it really looked like you were zeroing in on a good point but it just got away from you there at the end. It's alright, it was a gamely attempt. Maybe brush up on some reading and try again next time?

Women don't choose to fear rape. Men choose to rape women, and women fear the possibility of that happening.

But the odds of them being raped are pretty damn low. So, y'know, they can pretty much place trust in not getting raped. So they don't have to fear it, no. Men can be murdered (obviously women can be murdered and men can be raped, but for the sake of simplicity let's just use these examples), but again, it's a low chance, so they don't have to fear it. It's actually a pretty simple point to understand. Either you inherently fear every single bad thing that can happen to you in your life, or you just kind of ignore it. Can't put it any better than that.